The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Only true of believers in Christ regarding 2 Cor 5:14-15
Unbelievers do not live for Christ. Those 2 verses do not apply to unbelievers at all, how could it, they dont fit, cant put a square peg into a round hole
I wasnt talking about the Gospel, but the atoning death of Christ, please pay attention !
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Actually the warping is back on you, not the reformed.
The Lamb of God
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! (of believers in Him only), the world of believers is absolutely correct truth. Otherwise you are a UNIVERSALIST, all saved doctrine of devils idea. And totally antichrist.
More talk no proof. Next time you make a statement about scripture trying proving it from scripture.
Christ did not die to save our flesh (the natural and carnal man). You've got it wrong.
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John Calvin answeres you
Who taketh away the sin of the world. He uses the word sin in the singular number, for any kind of iniquity; as if he had said, that every kind of unrighteousness which alienates men from God is taken away by Christ. And when he says, the sin Of The World, he extends this favor indiscriminately to the whole human race; that the Jews might not think that he had been sent to them alone. But hence we infer that the whole world is involved in the same condemnation; and that as all men without exception are guilty of unrighteousness before God, they need to be reconciled to him. John the Baptist, therefore, by speaking generally of the sin of the world, intended to impress upon us the conviction of our own misery, and to exhort us to seek the remedy. Now our duty is, to embrace the benefit which is offered to all, that each of us may be convinced that there is nothing to hinder him from obtaining reconciliation in Christ, provided that he comes to him by the guidance of faith.”
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John Calvin
That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life”
The Lamb of God
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Really means all people who believe from every nation, not just the Jewish nation, but non Jewish people in the gentile nations in the world will be saved by believing in Christ.
So yeah still the world of believers get saved having their sins taken away, and ONLY them.
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Really means all people who believe from every nation, not just the Jewish nation, but non Jewish people in the gentile nations in the world will be saved by believing in Christ.
So yeah still the world of believers get saved having their sins taken away, and ONLY them.
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You're adding your own twist to fit what you want the scriptures to mean. I'm not here to debate with people who don't want the truth. The Word of God speaks for itself.
I'm placing several in this thread on ignore.
Have a nice day.
John 3:16 is the world, the world of all souls.
Joh 1:9 The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not.
Joh 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
However, the "world" of Joh 1:29 is speaking of the soul according to the spirit, not the flesh. And that is the "world" that God loves (Joh 3:16). God loves the soul of man according to the spirit, His own breath and image that He created man in, by (through) and for His own glory (Joh 1:10, Gen 1:27, Gen 2:7. etc.).
I'm simply giving you scripture. That's all I've done and that should have been obvious. As for placing me on ignore, thank-you.
All things are in Christ.
Col 1:16 for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities--all things were created through him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Act 17:28 for 'In him we live and move and have our being'; as even some of your poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'
Those scriptures are not "square pegs".
That's the Augustinian retort. He was wrong then, it was also wrong when Calvin repeated it and it's still wrong today.
John Calvin never got it right, either. He was a follower of Augustine. The revelation that pertains to God's will (that is: to unite all things in Christ in the fullness of times) was not revealed to Calvin or Augustine, or for that matter Arminius and all their followers. Thank-you Jesus for doing so, and revealing it to those whom you have chosen to know Your will in this age.
Eph 1:9 For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ
Eph 1:10 as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
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