My replies to Foreigner in pink.
-- That is the exact same doctrine that I believe, yet you have no problem with Watchman damning me completely with the unbelievers. Instead of saying what he says is wrong, you just call ME rude.
I am no more rude than you are on this thread.
You stick up for the horrible thing religusnut said to me, yet you think that I should of got in the middle of yours and Watchman writings to each other, postings that I have not even been closely following since I'm new?! Isn't that the definition of a hypocite? Telling someone they shouldn't do something, then doing that very thing.
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Tongues were probably stilled some time after the laying of the foundation." - Anastacia
-- Probably? Is that like giving someone a "definite maybe?"
I don't have to give you a definite. Paul said it, use some logic to figure out when it stopped. Speaking in tongues were for a sign to the Jews. The sign was given. Speaking in tongues were a gift of the Holy Spirit given during the laying of the foundation. The foundation is laid. Again, Paul said it would stop. Figure it out.
I guess you UNsupernatural speaking isn't a clue that you aren't speaking in tongues as those in the Bible? Hey, maybe that is when it stopped, when it no longer was happening.
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Don't say Paul's message is null and void." - Anastacia
-- The scripture says, "
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away." -
1 Cor 13:8
You are the one claiming those activities have already "passed" and "ceased." I am simply asking when this happened specifically.
And perhaps you can do better than "probably" in your answer.
Figure it out. You are not speaking supernaturally. What don't you get about that?
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And so far, it seems you are only answering my questions with questions. This alone though is very telling. Maybe you are coming to understand?" - Anastacia
-- Yes, I am beginning to understand that you cannot answer these questions with something better than "probably."
Look, Paul said it would stop. Period. How can I say anything more than "probably" at the time the temple was destroyed? Maybe your false prophets in your church can claim things that aren't in the Bible?
You claim it is true - I am simply asking for proof. You say you provided scripture, but the scripture you provide does not support your statements.
That is why I am asking for specifics.
When I provider a scripture like this:
"Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit." - 1 Cor 14:1-2"
...you simply respond that speaking in tongues no longer happens and you leave it at that.
And even though it states: "
anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God"...you insist that it isn't prayer...even when it says "does not speak to men but to God." What is praying but speaking with God?
I understand..... You don't want to see the truth because you will have to give up your false beliefs and think more about what you say to God. You will also have to give up what you believe with your family and friends believe, and find another church to go to.
"I've read that the nowadays speaking in tongue didn't start until a couple hundred years ago." - Anastacia
-- Ah, you read that somewhere. Well that sure clears that up, doesn't it?
You don't listen to the Word of God, so why would I do the research for you about when your kind of tongue speaking started? That's too much work for someone that will deny it anyway.
"Like I said before, the nowadays tongue speaking just about about some couple hudred years ago." - Anastacia
-- Yeah, so you said. Still waiting on some sort of proof. Other than your previous "I read somewhere...."
Do the research yourself. Though, I do think it might be informative. Maybe I will find information about it to share with everyone.
"Unless you can show me using scripture that demons cannot be cast out." - Anastacia
-- Again, the scripture was, "
"And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;" -
Mark 16:17
And again, according to you the "new tongues" portion has ceased. I am simply asking when. Because, in all the New Testament, I don't find Paul putting an ending date stamp on it.
"We are not talking about praying....we are talking about speaking in tongues." - Anastacia
-- Are you really that ill-informed?
Do I have to explain it to you again? Speaking in tongues were a sign to foreigner Jews who spoke in different earthly languages. When no foreigner Jews were around to hear and understand in their native tongue...then the speaker would still be able to speak in tongues, it would then be a prayer to God because no one was there to understand, they would be quiet and pray to themselves and God, with their inner voice. Paul said if there is no one was there to understand, then to be quiet.
I hope all those who are still confused read these passages from the Bible, and if you have ears to hear and eyes to see....I hope you can see and understand.
Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?
So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.
For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. In the Law it is written: “With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
says the Lord.”
What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.
"What in the world is "very sad?" You are the one that said you have people in your church who prophecy." - Anastasia
-- Okay, I will ask again: "Do you believe that God shares visions for specific people, groups, events, churches, etc?"
You still don't answer my question. Do you have prophets in your church who tell people things about God and Jesus that aren't in the Bible?
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