Incorrect. The succession of popes can be traced back to Peter. The earliest church fathers were Catholic in belief and teaching. Find a reference to the foolishness of OSAS and the buffoonery of sola scriptura and fide before the 1500s. Instead of attacking people maybe you should show evidence for your beliefs before the appearance of the looney little monk.I've been to mass. Idols everywhere. Necromancy in the form of venerated "relics" that are actually body parts of the dead.
Nuns under glass said to be preserved in their bodily form because they were special in God's sight.
The invention of $Purgatory$ and,until it was deemed closed by former Pope Benedict, Limbo.
None of those things were taught by Jesus.
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The Bible is Father-Centric not Christo-Centric
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Sister-n-Christ
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The church puts itself between the penetant and God. So of course Eternal Security would be deemed a threat.
No,the succession of popes cannot be traced to Peter.
Besides that fact Peter was married.
Looney little monk? Ha! I've read the book, Unzipped , The Popes Bare All.
I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to know about the history of the Papacy.
Jesus himself speaks about his God (and my God) in scripture. So too do the apostles.
I presume you know what the word means.
I can show you evidence that the earliest church fathers held Catholic beliefs. Show me any evidence that anything you believe existed before the looney little monk. The church is far from perfect but that's not relevant to it's existence prior to the 15th century. You realize the looney little monk was a Catholic right?
Over 2,000 years? Approximately how many years over?
Sister-n-Christ
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I realize you will be busy at confession if you keep going with your name calling of the dead.
Sister-n-Christ
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Of course Jesus did that. He was teaching in the form of a Jewish male. .You're forgetting Jesus told his Disciples he was the father.
So you cant show that sola.scriptura existed before the 16th century. How about OSAS? Want to give that a shot?
twenty five if it matters. What we know for sure is the solas are not anywhere near 2000 years old and neither is OSAS unless you can show otherwise
In Jewish monotheism, Jesus himself isn’t literally the Father himself.
Sister-n-Christ
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Sure. The Messianic scripture of the Jews predates the Christian Bibles.
Christianity was an oral tradition first. The word of God isn't the Bible first and foremost. It was Jesus! The Word,God,made flesh and who dwelt among us.
As to what you I tend to demean with the acronym , OSAS, that would be the Eternal Irrevocable Security in our Redemption by the grace of God alone. Not if our own doing so that we cannot boast we save ourselves.
Sister-n-Christ
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Unfortunate.
In Christianity, and the old testament in our Bibles,. Jesus is God.
Immanuel,God with us.
Isaiah 7:14 , Isaiah 8:8, Matthew 1:23, which quotes Isaiah 7:14.
Rockerduck
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Argue against this scripture. Jesus said this I didn't.
John 10:28 - And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
I’m just curious. My in-laws were Catholic from birth to death. I attended Mass with them, my wife, her siblings and other of her relatives from time to time. The area where I live currently (my wife’s home county) is predominately Catholic. (About 80 percent.) I love Catholics, as you’ve probably gathered. I think it’s both good and important to know and understand what the dominant religion around me believes.
AD 2025 - 2000 = AD 25.
AD 25 - 25 = several years after Jesus’ birth.
Cite the passages that show evidence of Sola scriptura and sola fide. No where does Scripture say it is the sole rule of faith. Scripture says the exact opposite of Sola fide. Cite the passages that shows evidence of OSAS. Scripture doesn't show it.
Ask any trinitarian and they should tell you that the Son of God himself isn’t the Father himself. That is something I have in common with them that I don’t have in common with you.
Would you also accuse them of sophistry?
No one else can snatch them from His hand but people can and do walk away. Not the same thing. OSAS is a man made invention.
Is English your first language? I said Catholism is 2000+ years old. Remember that?
Rockerduck
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Why did Jesus say this?
John 14:6-9 -
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the
Rockerduck
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It is the Father who gave His chosen to Jesus. You have no authority as a man to usurp authority from God. If The Father gives you to Jesus, it is a done deal, and that a mere human, created by God, can undo.
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