The Bliss of Religious Homeostasis - Don't Rock the Boat

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Carl Emerson

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Are false prophets now arising and performing great signs and wonders? (in the end times) Not yet. ???
What qualifies as great signs and wonders?
Some churches claim to be doing that today.

When all mankind sees the two witnesses in action, the hour is very late.
That supports my point. Anyone that is not Wheat and Tares is the real Body of Christ.
In the parable the Wheat are the saved.
Meaning the Elect today are likely deceived. Again, supporting my point.
Not so - it is a fact that tares can be in church leadership.
Did you receive empowerment by the laying on of the Apostles (capital A) hands?
My case seems to be an exception - I was BHS in a church that didn't even believe in it - sitting in a pew listening to the preacher and Whamm.
 

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John 16

The Work of the Holy Spirit​

“And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

And when the Holy Spirit has come, through the wisdom and the words, the deeds and the heroism that He will infuse into the apostles, He will convince the world of its deicide sin, and of justice with regard to His (Jesus's) holiness. And a clear cut will divide the world into reprobates, enemies of God, and believers. The latter will be more or less holy, according to their will. But judgement will be passed on the prince of the world and his servants. Jesus couldn't tell them more then, because they were not yet able to understand. But He assured them that He, the Paraclete, will give them the whole Truth, because He will not speak as from Himself. But He will tell them everything He heard from the Mind of God and will announce the future to them. He will take what comes from Jesus, that is, what is still of the Father, and will tell them. (Jn. 16:8-15, PV5)
 

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Right. No gospel. No Jesus. Human conscience. (universalism)

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts
sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

The great mercy of God shines even more luminously infinite in the words of Paul, who inspired proclaims that only those who do not acknowledge any law—neither natural, nor supernatural, nor reasoning—will perish, whereas those who have known the Law and who have not practiced it, from the same Law which saves, will be condemned; and more: that the Gentiles who do not have the Law but naturally and rationally do that which the unknown Law prescribes to them—by giving to themselves, only through the light of reason, righteousness of heart and obedience to the voices of the Spirit, unknown but present, the sole master of their spirit of good will, obedience to those inspirations which they follow because their virtue loves them and do not know that they are unknowingly serving God—these Gentiles, who show with their actions that the Law is written in their virtuous hearts, will be justified on Judgement Day.

Let us observe these three great categories of divine justice in which perfect mercy and justice shine.

Those who do not acknowledge any law, neither natural nor human and therefore rational, nor superhuman. Who are they? The savages? No. They are the lucifers of the Earth. And their numbers grow always more with the passing of time, notwithstanding civilization and the diffusion of the Gospel, an inexhaustible preaching of it, should make their numbers always more scanty. However, peace, justice and light are promised to men of good will. And these are of an evil will.

They are the rebels of every law, even of the natural law. Therefore, they are inferior to brutes. They voluntarily deny their nature of man: that of being endowed with a reasoning mind and soul. They commit things against nature and against reason. They no longer merit but to perish amongst the number of men who are created in the image and likeness of God, and they will perish as men in order to take on their desired nature as demons.

Second category: the hypocrites, the false, those who mock God by having the Law, by having it only and not practicing it. And can one then say that they truly have it and draw benefits from it? Similar to those who possess a treasure but who leave it idle and unattended, they do not draw fruits of eternal life and immediate joys at their death, and God will condemn them because they had the gift of God and they did not use it with gratefulness to the Donator who had placed them in the elect part of Humanity: in that of His People because it is marked by the Christian sign.

Third category: the Gentiles. Let us give this status to those of the present day who are not Christian Catholics. Let us call them so, while we meditate on the words of Paul. They, who not having the Law, do naturally what the Law imposes—and they are a law unto themselves, showing in this manner just how their spirit loves virtue and tends towards the supreme Good—they will be justified when God, through the Saviour, shall judge the secret actions of men.

These are many. A large number. And it will be an immense crowd... of every nation, tribe, people, language, onto whom, on the last day, through the infinite merits of Christ immolated as far as to the extreme drop of blood and [aqueous] humour, there will be impressed the seal of the living God for the salvation and reward before the extreme and final judgement.

Their virtues, their spontaneous obedience to the law of virtues, will have baptized them without any other baptism, consecrated without any other chrism than that of the infinite merits of the Saviour. Limbo will no longer be the abode of the just ones. Just as on the night of Good Friday, Limbo had emptied itself of its just ones because the Blood spilled by the Redeemer had cleansed them from original sin, so too, on Judgement Day, the merits of Christ triumphing over every enemy will absolve them of not having been of His flock for their firm faith of being in the right religion, and will reward them for their virtue exercised in life.

If it were not so, God would be cheating these just ones who gave themselves a law of justice and who defended justice and virtue. And God never cheats. It sometimes takes a long time for it to be accomplished, though always certain is His reward. (Rom. 2:12-16, LER)
 

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Was planning to put this in the Christian Theology section,
but wanted to put this in front of a different audience.
I haven't posted in this area for a while.

In a conversation this morning I was trying to explain a concept
when the descriptor "homeostasis" came to mind.

There is a stability, whether real or imagined, that comes
with alignment to religious beliefs. And it doesn't seem to matter
what religion, or what sector of Christianity.

Full acceptance of what you are taught brings closure
to the "search" for truth. A sense of arriving safely.
You found it, and feel that you belong.

And if one wants to maintain this homeostasis,
best not to rock the boat. Don't ask questions, just keep
quiet and go with the flow, and everything will be fine.

However, if you do have questions and are not given
answers that satisfy your need, this can cause some friction.
Others in the tribe may prefer that you accept what you
have been given and don't make waves.

If you continue to press for satisfaction, the tribe may
decide that you no longer belong. Or at least they will begin
to distance themselves. Which leads to alienation
and a loss of your original homeostasis.

Questions to discuss:
1) What keeps us locked in homeostasis?
2) Should you be allowed to question the status quo?
3) Do feelings of alienation mean you are in the wrong?
4) At what point should you be put out of the tribe?
5) At what point should you decide to leave?

Just wonder is reaching religious homeostasis and maintaining it possible in today's world? Especially amoung our own when there are thousands of Christian denominations?

They were of one accord in the Upper Room in the book of Acts, but now there are all these differing doctrines out there.
 
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And when the Holy Spirit has come, through the wisdom and the words, the deeds and the heroism that He will infuse into the apostles, He will convince the world of its deicide sin, and of justice with regard to His (Jesus's) holiness. And a clear cut will divide the world into reprobates, enemies of God, and believers. The latter will be more or less holy, according to their will. But judgement will be passed on the prince of the world and his servants. Jesus couldn't tell them more then, because they were not yet able to understand. But He assured them that He, the Paraclete, will give them the whole Truth, because He will not speak as from Himself. But He will tell them everything He heard from the Mind of God and will announce the future to them. He will take what comes from Jesus, that is, what is still of the Father, and will tell them. (Jn. 16:8-15, PV5)

We see plenty of activity from the Holy Spirit that is not directly though the Apostles - folks convicted of sin, righteousness and judgement simply by picking up a Bible and beginning to read - or in a dream seeing Jesus as Lord - I seems He is working on a broad front.
 
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Just wonder is reaching religious homeostasis and maintaining it possible in today's world? Especially amoung our own when there are thousands of Christian denominations?
Religious homeostasis is possible in any number of Christian denominations.
Nothing to do with doctrine, just a state of comfort with it. IMHO
It has more to do with a static relationship. Not a willingness to move outward from it.

They were of one accord in the Upper Room in the book of Acts, but now there are all these differing doctrines out there.
I have launched a number of topics on the subject of Doctrinal Unity.


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We see plenty of activity from the Holy Spirit that is not directly though the Apostles - folks convicted of sin, righteousness and judgement simply by picking up a Bible and beginning to read - or in a dream seeing Jesus as Lord - I seems He is working on a broad front.

This is about the meaning of Jn. 16:8-15 which specifically regards the Holy Spirit and the apostles, since they were the first leaders of the Christian (Catholic) Church. And, the meaning of it which I explained doesn't negate the other ways in which the Holy Spirit operates.
 

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This is about the meaning of Jn. 16:8-15 which specifically regards the Holy Spirit and the apostles, since they were the first leaders of the Christian (Catholic) Church. And, the meaning of it which I explained doesn't negate the other ways in which the Holy Spirit operates.

Ok - thanks for the clarification.