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Phoneman777 said:
No, we are called to "have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of DARKNESS, but rather EXPOSE them." What I do is what the Bible has admonished me to do: expose the Man of Sin in Rome and the evil that this Papal Antichrist has done in the name of Christ for century after century after bloody century. By exposing them, others may be spared from falling into the same snare so many are caught in. The Papacy reigned during a time known politically incorrect today as "The DARK Ages".
name one thing the current pope has done that is anti-Christ?

i could read your posts and show where YOU have been antiChrist... by not being charitable

not to mention you are illogical b/c again, a Church established by God Himself through Christ is NOT going to fall apart (or bow down to Satan en masse) just b/c there are sinners in it. You dont believe the RCC is the Church Christ founded? Well, that's unfortunate 4 u

I KNOW it is

that is not to say we should not criticize the evil that Catholics do. I am always pointing out the evil that priests have done, the evil i know of. It is interesting, by the way... that i have been Catholic (or "Catholic") all my life and have never known a pedophile priest.. True, you never know.. but still, i have been in numerous parishes over the yrs.. haven't heard of a single one... and i heard that statistically there are more pedophiles in NON Catholic churches...

but we know how the Catholic hating media is
 

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With all the faults of Protestantism, do any teach that a man is God such as Catholicism says of the Pope?
Or that sinful men have the power to forgive men such as claimed that Catholic clergy possess?
Or that during communion, those who officiate become "the creator of his Creator"?

No, Protestants don't claim such blasphemous things - Rome does. That is why she is condemned as the Antichrist Whore of Revelation with "names of blasphemy" on her forehead, friend.
you show how ignorant you are.

the Catholiic Church has never said the pope is God.. Or ANY of this nonsense! Geez, i thought i had heard it all..

You might want to examine what your antiCatholic "friends" tell you

at least as well as you examine (or THINK you examine... ha ha ha) what practicing Catholics believe
 

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name one thing the current pope has done that is anti-Christ?

i could read your posts and show where YOU have been antiChrist... by not being charitable

not to mention you are illogical b/c again, a Church established by God Himself through Christ is NOT going to fall apart (or bow down to Satan en masse) just b/c there are sinners in it. You dont believe the RCC is the Church Christ founded? Well, that's unfortunate 4 u

I KNOW it is

that is not to say we should not criticize the evil that Catholics do. I am always pointing out the evil that priests have done, the evil i know of. It is interesting, by the way... that i have been Catholic (or "Catholic") all my life and have never known a pedophile priest.. True, you never know.. but still, i have been in numerous parishes over the yrs.. haven't heard of a single one... and i heard that statistically there are more pedophiles in NON Catholic churches...

but we know how the Catholic hating media is
Are you kidding me? His very title, "Vicarius Filli Dei" means "In place of Christ" aka "ANTICHRIST.

My point is not to criticize Catholics, but to point out that Catholic leadership cannot be trusted. They are superb liars and have been lying to sincere people like you since the beginning. They lie about their professed power to sell forgiveness, which is why Martin Luther blew a gasket in 1507 A.D. They lie about the necessity of human mediation when Christ's mediation alone is sufficient according to Scripture. They lie about the existence of presently burning hell which the Bible says comes at the end. They lie when they say that our dearly departed loved ones are "disembodied spirits" which watch over us when the Bible says when you die, you cease to exist, period, and our only hope is the Resurrection. They lie about Purgatory - a concept that is completely foreign to the Bible - the deliverance of our loved ones from which can be obtained by giving the church a sufficient offering. I'm not talking about people like you who have been led to sincerely believe the lies.
 

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Friend, the SDA have some of the same beliefs/doctrines as the RCC so how can the RCC be the least trustworthy in all the earth?

What of all the scandals in the SDA?

What of the documented lies and cover ups in the SDA?

Once again: You couldn't find your "quote" in the letter either? yes or no?

And still no apology for spreading ANOTHER lie about our Catholic brothers and sisters? Instead you attack them even more AND change the subject? Don't you feel guilty about your lies?


Thank you for your prayers...I need them!
Hey Phoneman777.....Lots of questions here that have gone unanswered.

You could at least tell me if you are done talking to me about this instead of ignoring me AND these difficult questions.
 

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What of all the scandals in the SDA?

What of the documented lies and cover ups in the SDA?
Why do you think teh RCC is called teh "mother of all Harlots", all spawned from teh same mold. And please lets make this quiet clear, this is not about "catholics", it is about "catholism", its not about the people its about the Religion, so dont go around making it all about you, because its not. See its supposed to be all about Jesus, but catholism makes it all about the church. Mind you if you ever have a discussion with teh JW's the ywill tell you there church is His church, deceived like so many. and they too will try justify why it is so. And i am sure if you asked any other denomination the ywould say the same thing.
 

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How it is supposed to be.

Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

JEsus always had issues with the religious and there structures keeping teh people from Him and God,

Mat_23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

And that is what mens religion does, all of his denominations. Its supposed to be

God - Jesus - you with the help of teh Holy Spirit but th RCC hads made it

God- Jesus- Pope- Bishops -Priests- than you, What is wrong with Jesus that so many seem to be no where near Him, why cant people seek him for themselves, ?? all to there own destruction.
 

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Why do you think teh RCC is called teh "mother of all Harlots", all spawned from teh same mold. And please lets make this quiet clear, this is not about "catholics", it is about "catholism", its not about the people its about the Religion, so dont go around making it all about you, because its not. See its supposed to be all about Jesus, but catholism makes it all about the church. Mind you if you ever have a discussion with teh JW's the ywill tell you there church is His church, deceived like so many. and they too will try justify why it is so. And i am sure if you asked any other denomination the ywould say the same thing.
Are you SDA? Is that why you have injected yourself into this conversation?

You quoted two questions of mine but didn't answer either of them. Why is that? Once again your hatred for the RCC has blinded you. Ignore the questions, attack our Christian brothers. That's sad. So I will ask again:

The SDA have some of the same beliefs/doctrines as the RCC so how can the RCC be the least trustworthy in all the earth?

What of all the scandals in the SDA?

What of the documented lies and cover ups in the SDA?
 

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When a person gobbles up large amount of hate speech, their ability to reason gets diminished.

Anti-Catholicism - The Last Acceptable Prejudice

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Jenkins shines a light on anti-Catholic sentiment in American society and illuminates its causes, looking closely at gay and feminist anti-Catholicism, anti-Catholic rhetoric and imagery in the media, and the anti-Catholicism of the academic world. For newspapers and newsmagazines, for television news and in movies, for major book publishers, the Catholic Church has come to provide a grossly stereotyped public villain. Catholic opinions, doctrines, and individual leaders are frequently the butt of harsh satire. Indeed, the notion that the church is a deadly enemy of women--the idea of Catholic misogyny--is commonly accepted in the news media and in popular culture, says Jenkins. And the recent pedophile priest scandal, he shows, has revived many ancient anti-Catholic stereotypes. It was said that with the election of John F. Kennedy, anti-Catholicism in America was dead. This provocative new book corrects that illusion, drawing attention to this important issue.

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No Pope has ever held the title Vicarius Filli Dei. [/size]

The second problem is that virtually no one, including many unsuspecting lay Catholics, knows that this papal "title" is a fabrication. To an untrained ear, it sounds enough like one of the pope's real titles, Vicarius Christi (Vicar of Christ), to pass the test. Unfortunately for those who traffic in this particular piece of pope fiction, the real title, Vicarius Christi, adds up to only a measly 214, not the infernal 666. In fact, none of the pope's official titles, such as Servus Servorum Dei (Servant of the Servants of God), Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Pontiff), or Successor Petri (Successor of Peter), will add up to 666. That's why you never see any of them used by anti-Catholics.
If the person making this claim disputes these facts, ask him to furnish even one example of a papal decree, ecclesiastical letter, conciliar statement, or any other official Catholic document in Which the pope calls himself or is referred to as the "Vicar of the Son of God," He won't be able to find one, because none exist.
Vicarius Filii Dei has never been a title of the pope.
 

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Phoneman777 said:
So, a likely French Catholic sympathizer claims that the quote is Reformation propaganda? Given that the Catholic church has been shepherded by the most disgusting revisionist historians and liars (as recently evidenced by the exposure of a filthy, systematic cover up of predator priests at the expense of the ruined lives of countless child victims), I expect Catholicism to deny everything that emanates from outside her protective walls.
Your phony story got exposed and you got caught in a lie, so you attack me with predator priests, and a different topic with every post.

So, let's turn Pope Boniface VIII, Papal Bull "Unam Sanctam", 1302 A.D. :

We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore, can you make of me but God?

What does the Bible definitively call blasphemy? For a man to claim that he is God (John 10:33 KJV) and the power to forgive sin (Luke 5:21 KJV), both of which the leaders of your false church claim. That is why Revelation 17 depicts the Whore Catholic church as having "names of blasphemy written on her forehead".

[/QUOTE]Anti-Catholicism at this level will rot your mind. That quote does not exist in Unam Sanctum. See for yourself.

Here is a list of old quotes that anti-Catholics use. Their treachery is shameful.
http://catholicpoint.blogspot.ca/2012/10/pope-claiming-as-god.html
 

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Are you kidding me? His very title, "Vicarius Filli Dei" means "In place of Christ" aka "ANTICHRIST.

My point is not to criticize Catholics, but to point out that Catholic leadership cannot be trusted. They are superb liars and have been lying to sincere people like you since the beginning. They lie about their professed power to sell forgiveness, w
I got this far

u obviously dont have a clue about Luther

but i will let that pass 4 now b/c of this other thing RE forgiveness. I was having a problem feeling close to God some time ago, didn't know y.. hadn't committed any big sin or what have you. I went to confession (no mortal sin, but went anyway). I felt totally different afterwards.. close to God.. I, even as a Catholic, had not expected that. It was like God was telling me "There. That was needed first.."

no, i didnt hear him say that but it seemed like it..

anyway, as Jesus said "Which is harder: to say 'Pick up your mat and walk' or 'your sins are forgiven'?"

Jesus gave ordained men the power to forgive sins, although really it is Jesus forgiving through the priest
 

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Are you SDA? Is that why you have injected yourself into this conversation?

You quoted two questions of mine but didn't answer either of them. Why is that? Once again your hatred for the RCC has blinded you. Ignore the questions, attack our Christian brothers. That's sad. So I will ask again:

The SDA have some of the same beliefs/doctrines as the RCC so how can the RCC be the least trustworthy in all the earth?

What of all the scandals in the SDA?

What of the documented lies and cover ups in the SDA?
As i said al mens religion is from teh same mould, they are all as bad as one another, why do you think Jesus was always at odds with the religious of His day. There are too kinds of scientist in his world, one will look at the evidence , sees it proves His theoy wrong and so accepts the truth and goes on, than there is the other, who refuses to believe all teh evidence before them and will hang on tho their false idea all the way to death. Most religious people fall inot the latter, not interested in the truth. If you dont want to get mad anymore, it is simple ask Jesus, He is the truth and in Him there is no lie. Why dont you???
And no, i belong to no mans church I belong to Christ, this bit,

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

and this bit

Mat_13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
 

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I was raised and educated as a Catholic. I grew up with a mindset that should I doubt or disbelieve my church, it was a sin and I was in danger of hell. The church was the means to salvation. Through strict weekly attendance at mass every Sunday, through strict regular attendance at confession, through regular attendance at other gatherings such as "stations of the cross" etc, then while never guaranteed, I would go to heaven. The Bible was never taught. In all my 24 years as Catholic, (including several years serving as an altar boy during which time I could recite the entire mass in Latin as well as the priests) the only Bible I ever saw was the one sitting on the bookshelf of my Anglican (Episcopalian) grandmother's home.
Now and again the sermon at mass would touch on some Bible story, such as the 'good Samaritan'. The prayers however, were taken from prepackaged prayer books, recited aloud with appropriate responses (also prepackaged) from the congregation. Nothing, either in prayer, lesson, or counsel, in all my years as Catholic, came from the heart. All was as the church required. The church was my savior. The church was everyones savior. We were told, repeatedly, until it was indelibly printed on them, that without the Roman Catholic Church we could not go to heaven. This was a mindset, a very powerful dogmatic teaching based on fear, that pervades Catholicism to this day. That is why it is very difficult to discuss with Catholics good sound Biblical doctrine. They come from a different perspective altogether. To them, the Bible is not so important. What is important, imperative, indispensable to the Catholic mind, out of fear of losing ones salvation, is their church's "authority to infallibly interpret scripture". Nothing else matters.
Thus in their mind it is not scripture that is the basis for Christian faith and practice. It is what the church teaches that scripture means that is the basis for Catholic faith and practice. Thus they have replaced Christ, the Logos, Savior, sole Mediator between God and man, with a very fallible council of men called the "magisterium".
Under the guise of "authority", Rome has usurped the role of Christ as Priest, Prophet, and King in the eyes of their members. Thus Rome fulfills all the criteria required of her to be rightly called Antichrist. This the reformers fully understood and recognized. Sadly, Protestants today do not. So to you Catholics, Christ would say "come out of her My people". And don't lump all in this forum as Protestant. They are not, in fact very few would claim to be, and even less still protesting. Many would be inclined to agree with one well known non-Catholic mega church pastor who recently declared presumptuously that "the protest is over".

I would like to suggest that all Catholics read some history of Christianity from a source outside of their own church. I know from deep personal experience however that such an undertaking is extremely difficult. Conscience and fear in placing ones trust in anything or anyone other than what you have been consiioned to place ones life in takes courage. I am not asking you to believe everything you read. Nor am I asking you to go to Jack Chick or others such as he whose views are somewhat narrow. But Christian history, outside of Rome's narrow one sided restrictive paradigm, is rich in wonder at the ways God moved in changing mens' hearts from paganism and unbelief to following Jesus. From Britain to China, from Africa to Scandinavia, and all parts in between, Christianity was fully established and functioning as an organizational structure under the headship of Christ before Rome ever sent her first missionaries abroad. You may read the full story here....http://docsfiles.com/pdf_truth_triumphant.html
I understand this is a difficult concept to believe. You were taught that Rome's popes are descended directly from the apostles. That the church therefore they founded is the precise same church that Jesus founded. That Rome today is the only fully authorized legitimate depository of spiritual truth and therefore is the only true avenue to attain salvation. That is what I was taught. That is what I was brought up to implicitly trust and to never dare entertain any other possibility under fear of losing my soul. And I, like you, was lied to. Jesus is more that a babe in a manger, or a body on a cross. He is alive, serving as our sole Mediator in the heavenly sanctuary, waiting and willing to send His Spirit to any who would ask, in order that they may be led to Truth. "Come to Me and I will give you rest" He says. "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if any one opens I will come in" He says. Never mind church authority. Come to Jesus. He is the head of the church. All others are just stones making up the body, priest, pastor, bishop, vicar, whatever. NO man has spiritual authority over another. Come to the only One who truly loves you and desires to set you free from all sin, and to set His seal of salvation upon you.
" I know the thoughts I think toward you, saith the Lord. Thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jer. 29"11
Hey Brakelite!! I have attended Catholic funerals and weddings but I went to my first Catholic mass today. Almost the entire service (words spoken, repeated, etc.) was from the bible. I don't know what church you allegedly attended as a child but it wasn't Catholic.

You have just lost any credibility with me when you post anything about the RCC....I ain't mad at ya'

My prayers are with you.
 

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As i said al mens religion is from teh same mould, they are all as bad as one another, why do you think Jesus was always at odds with the religious of His day. There are too kinds of scientist in his world, one will look at the evidence , sees it proves His theoy wrong and so accepts the truth and goes on, than there is the other, who refuses to believe all teh evidence before them and will hang on tho their false idea all the way to death. Most religious people fall inot the latter, not interested in the truth. If you dont want to get mad anymore, it is simple ask Jesus, He is the truth and in Him there is no lie. Why dont you???
And no, i belong to no mans church I belong to Christ, this bit,

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

and this bit

Mat_13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
If you follow Jesus then what church do you turn to when you want to enforce Mathew 18:17?

Jesus said, "Do this in rememberence of me". When and how often do you re-enact the last supper in rememberence of Him?
 

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If you follow Jesus then what church do you turn to when you want to enforce Mathew 18:17?
What do you think that is a catholic exclusive?? Enforce what?? God is not a slave driver as so many make Him out to be, that was pharohs job.

noun
  1. the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially on a mental or spiritual level.
Well see I talk to Jesus most of the day everyday, He is not relegated to one day a week or for 1 hr of that day, i dont need to be reminded of Him, for He is my best friend not some distant cousin.
 

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I am protestant and take communion twice a year. My denomination considers the bread and wine symbolic. However I feel revitalized after the communion.

I believe Christ is spiritually imbued upon the meal. Since his body is real food and his blood real drink I believe it is spiritual.
Perhaps this is to parallel the event that takes place in heaven, when we sit at the Lord's table.

But don't think that because something is spiritual that it isn't real. God is Spirit, and he is real. I think he would object to being called a symbol.
 

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As i said al mens religion is from teh same mould, they are all as bad as one another,
one of those nefarious religions saved my spiritiual life, brought me to Jesus in a way nothing else could

The Catholic Church

so forget you negative folks who dont u/stand
 

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I am protestant and take communion twice a year. My denomination considers the bread and wine symbolic. However I feel revitalized after the communion.
u r right to feel it is only symbolic b/c in any but the Catholic Church that is all it is

In the Catholic Church Communion is Christ himself (see Jn 6:27--)
 

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so forget you negative folks who dont u/stand
We do understand that is the problem. And I am positive that all religion is from teh same mould, it brings men into slavery, keeps him seperated from God, fills his heads with lies.and keeps in fear of loosing, you know " excomunication", fear is not from God.
 

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Phoneman777 said:
Friend, the word of the Papacy has proven itself to be the least trustworthy in all the Earth, as evidenced by scandal after scandal after never ending scandal. Trust the Bible alone, not the lies and cover ups in Rome. I pray for you as well.
Your scenario is nasty and out of touch with reality. Sure, there were a few bad popes, we don't deny that. (about 10) Most popes were good holy men. YOU deny that. 10 out of 266 is a ratio of 1:26. Consider Judas, 1 bad Apostle out of 12. That's a ratio of 1:12. 1:26 is a vast improvement!. Then there is the moral deficiencies of the reformers, which you neither know about, nor admit to if you did.
About your scandal after scandal. First, it's your opinion. If it's really that bad, you could support it with facts from a real historian, not Jack Chick or Dave Hunt, but a historian with a Ph.D. I don't think you can. The Church faces crisis after crisis, and is in a constant state of renewal, but your charge of scandal after scandal (only noticed by angry anti-Catholics) is unwarranted. If you mean the sex abuse crisis (the worst in the history of the Church) the rate is down to 0% while with Protestant clergy it remains embarrassingly unchanged. I hate writing about that topic but I guarantee it is something you do not wish to peruse with me.
Your letter from an apostate cardinal was exposed as being phony.
Your quote form Unam Sanctum was a doctored up lie.
So are the myths drilled into your head about the Pope by "Christian" bigots.

Lastly, the first 40 popes (except 1) were martyred. (which means nothing to a hostile ant-Catholic)
Were they evil and corrupt too?


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We do understand that is the problem. And I am positive that all religion is from teh same mould, it brings men into slavery, keeps him seperated from God, fills his heads with lies.and keeps in fear of loosing, you know " excomunication", fear is not from God.
ha ha.. shows what u know

i wasn't close to God until I knew JEsus ("No one can come to the FAther except through Me") and I never knew Jesus until i knew HIS Church (and was IN it)

"I will build My Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it"
 
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