THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

[Marilyn C]

LOL! You REALLY need to reread Romans.
1. Anyone who is not "in Christ" is "in Adam", thus condemned to the curse of death which Christ defeated--the Jews aren't going to have a New Heart, but still be cursed sinners in Adam.
2. You want to act as though the two are mutually exclusive, but there is no mutual exclusivity--you can have a new heart AND be in Christ LOL In fact, ALL believers have both true of them.

1. Believing Gentiles are grafted in to God's people, the people among whom the Presence of God is, which distinguishes it from all other nations (Exodus 33:15).
2. The root is the forefathers : Torah warns that for some sins the offender will be "cut off from among his people". We know, therefore, that the tree represents "God's people"--which Israel has been cut off from, with only a remnant remaining--which ("God's people"), again, is defined as "the nation with whom God's Presence dwells". We know Peter says this Presence is only for those who repent and believe in Christ (Acts 3).

So, 4,000 years of God making an oops, (before Christ).

 

[GracePeace]

`Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.` (Phil. 3: 15)

If I can achieve the making of the same empty assertion as you, does it mean I'm right?
Let's see : "The reason you don't see thing the way I see them is because you're immature."
Did it work? Am I right? LOL

 

[GracePeace]

So, 4,000 years of God making an oops, (before Christ).

You can mock the teaching that those who are in Adam are doomed all you want--call it "an oops", or what ever--but what you can't do is actually address the text, because you know it disagrees with you, and you prefer your own ideas over God's, and God's Word makes you mad, because it isn't your word, so you want to poop on God's Word when it is shown to you.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The `tares` are who the devil sows among Israel.

There are tares in the Body of Christ. You should get to know God's Word better!

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Matthew 24:3-13
What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (including saying “I am anointed”); and shall deceive many.
And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation (ethnic group vs ethnic group), and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in many different places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (See 1 John 5:3 AND 2 John 1:6)
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So why does Jesus need to marry millions of men and women?

It obviously doesn't concern you so no need to worry about it.

 

[Marilyn C]

If I can achieve the making of the same empty assertion as you, does it mean I'm right?
Let's see : "The reason you don't see thing the way I see them is because you're immature."
Did it work? Am I right? LOL

No, it was written as to if we (either you or me) are wrong then prayerfully God will show us the truth.

 

[Marilyn C]

You can mock the teaching that those who are in Adam are doomed all you want--call it "an oops", or what ever--but what you can't do is actually address the text, because you know it disagrees with you, and you prefer your own ideas over God's, and God's Word makes you mad, because it isn't your word, so you want to poop on God's Word when it is shown to you.

I`m not the one writing `ridiculous, poop, mad .......

It seems to me that people whose view is threatened can`t just rely on God`s word to but have to try and put down another person. Not good.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

No, it was written as to if we (either you or me) are wrong then prayerfully God will show us the truth.

God already talk about the bride of Christ being believers in His Word.

Folks that don't accept what God already said won't be hearing from Him at all since they consider Him to be a liar.

 

[Marilyn C]

There are tares in the Body of Christ. You should get to know God's Word better!

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Matthew 24:3-13
What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (including saying “I am anointed”); and shall deceive many.
And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that you be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation shall rise against nation (ethnic group vs ethnic group), and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in many different places.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. (See 1 John 5:3 AND 2 John 1:6)
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

However, they are not called tares.

 

[Marilyn C]

God already talk about the bride of Christ being believers in His Word.

Folks that don't accept what God already said won't be hearing from Him at all since they consider Him to be a liar.

Yes, God did, to Israel. Isa. 54: 5 & 6 Hos. 2: 19 & 20. Do we disregard what God says there?

 

[Marilyn C]

It obviously doesn't concern you so no need to worry about it.

Why I write on this subject is because the wrong `bride` will lead to the wrong inheritance.

 

[GracePeace]

No, it was written as to if we (either you or me) are wrong then prayerfully God will show us the truth.

Oh OK I misunderstood.

 

[GracePeace]

I`m not the one writing `ridiculous, poop, mad .......

It seems to me that people whose view is threatened can`t just rely on God`s word to but have to try and put down another person. Not good.

What a joke! I've endlessly cited the Word, and I'm 100% certain of the correctness of my view--you are the one who is deciding to reject what is plain.

 

[Lizbeth]

That is `in Christ.` the Body of Christ, whereas the nation of Israel will not be `in Christ` but have a new heart. (Ez. 36: 26 & 27)

As to us being grafted into Israel, that is not correct. In Rom. 11: 15 - 17 we read that the root is holy, nourishes us and supports us. That is Christ, NOT Israel. Israel is not holy, nourishing us or supporting us. You had it half right.

There is no salvation for anyone, Jew or Gentile, outside of Christ. It is HIS Spirit, the Holy Spirit, that one receives when anyone comes to faith in Him. Those Ezekiel 36 verses are prophesying about the gospel - of Israel being gathered to Jesus - and their coming back to their own land of promise is an allegory for repentance and turning to the kingdom of God and Christ who is king of it. And not Israel only but it also includes gathering Gentile souls to Himself who were foreknown by Him (elect) and were/are scattered among the heathen/nations. If we do a word search of gather/gathered/gathering and ingathering, we'll see it usually refers to harvesting, which is an allegory for the harvesting of souls.

Eze 36:23-27

And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Jhn 11:51-52

And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.



Isa 56:8

The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,

“Yet I will gather to him

Others besides those who are gathered to him.”



Jhn 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


The "Israel" that is being prophesied about in the Ezekiel 36 verses is really the "Israel of God", which is spiritual Israel, comprised of faithful OT saints and those from Israel and the nations who receive the gospel and come to Christ and receive His Spirit. It is not talking about the nation/state of Israel per se ("Israel after the flesh"), because that nation rejects the gospel, except for a remnant. In looking at scripture we need to be comparing spiritual with spiritual. The Word made flesh...speaks to us in parables/allegories.

As to us being grafted into Israel, that is not correct. In Rom. 11: 15 - 17 we read that the root is holy, nourishes us and supports us. That is Christ, NOT Israel. Israel is not holy, nourishing us or supporting us. You had it half right.

The root of the tree is Christ, amen, but the tree as a whole is heavenly Zion/kingdom of God/Israel of God and individual believers are branches of it.

 

[Lizbeth]

All prophecies are fulfilled by JESUS.

Yes....my meaning was that the prophecies are ABOUT "the Israel of God", not earthly Israel per se, to be more precise. :)

 

[Lizbeth]

So why does Jesus need to `marry` millions od men and women?

He collectively only has one bride, "the Israel of God" but it is made up of many souls......the city that comes down prepared as a bride, of course is made up of many citizens.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why I write on this subject is because the wrong `bride` will lead to the wrong inheritance.

There is only one inheritance for all who believe, sister.....eternal life in the new heavens/new earth. Even "the meek shall inherit the earth" is speaking of the new earth, not this temporal one. It might be this earth renewed, or it might only be referring allegorically to the new earth of our new glorified bodies....earthen vessels.....I'm not sure how to think of it exactly....however safe to say it is a spiritual/heavenly/eternal earth. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.

 

[Scott Downey]

There is only one inheritance for all who believe, sister.....eternal life in the new heavens/new earth. Even "the meek shall inherit the earth" is speaking of the new earth, not this temporal one. It might be this earth renewed, or it might only be referring allegorically to the new earth of our new glorified bodies....earthen vessels.....I'm not sure how to think of it exactly....however safe to say it is a spiritual/heavenly/eternal earth. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.

Yes, we inherit the new earth as the scripture says like this,

2 Peter 3:12-14
New King James Version
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

That is what we look forward to. That the righteous dwell there also points out can't be any unrighteous dwelling there. There won't be any wicked or unbelief on the new earth.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Parable of the Tares Explained​

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

What happened to the tares? They are all of them destroyed in the fiery return of Christ.
Who remains and is left to inherit? Only the righteous in the kingdom of their Father, that means the people of God are all of one people.
No one else inherits the Kingdom of their Father. They are called the family of God, a holy nation, His own special people.

 

[Doug]

He speaks to us in parables brother. Allegories. That is a very important key to understanding. Israel in scripture is an allegory for the church. The promised land is an allegory TO THE CHURCH for the kingdom of heaven with Christ as its king. Scripture says "these things happened unto them (Israel) and were written down as ensamples to the church, for our admonishment" (1Cor 10:11).

There is no basis to say the promised land or Israel is an allegory
Israels sinful behavior in 1 Corinthians 10 is an example to us to not an allegory.....an example is not an allegory