The concept of existence and perfection

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

This is just not even worth defending.

In saying that you are defending it.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

It makes me wonder, if he doesn't believe what the Bible says to him, what voices is he hearing that makes him think it is Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

We know that God has said everything He is going to say to us in the pages of the written Scriptures. It's all there when we go digging for it to find answers for ourselves.

Im going to make this really easy for you: point to where in the Bible it says this is all there is.

 

[Paul Christensen]

Im going to make this really easy for you: point to where in the Bible it says this is all there is.

"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent. Then Abraham said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’” (Luke 16:29-31).

The Berean's searched the Scriptures daily to validate Paul's teaching, and did not listen to some 'voice' in their minds (Acts 17:11).

 

[DNB]

Concerning the concept of basis, there are many instances where "Scripture" is not even used by the authors. Paul goes talking about the olive trees and such without quoting "scripture". This is your flaw and your loss: YOU CUT OFF THE SPIRIT. You isolate to these small snibits and say it's everything. By doing that, you have a very sickly isolated spirit. To reguard a part (and such a small part as well!) as the whole is very deadly. Your own pride is your undoing

Yes, but Paul's analogy was based on a Biblical principle, God's dealing with both Abraham's, genealogical, and spiritual descendants. Wisdom and comprehension, is often able to speak employing various literary conventions. It appeals to specific audiences.
Apparently the spirit that you're getting your inspiration from, may not be from the source that you claim?

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.' No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone is sent to them from the dead, they will repent. Then Abraham said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’” (Luke 16:29-31).

The Berean's searched the Scriptures daily to validate Paul's teaching, and did not listen to some 'voice' in their minds (Acts 17:11).

Counter 1: If that's all they needed, then Paul isn't included in that (you say his writing are part of that which is needed). Therefore, if Paul's writings are 'Scripture' that is not an adequate proof for your point

Counter 2: They searched the scriptures, so what? The Spirit of truth resides in these words, but by no means does all the Spirit of truth abide in them. You again fail to prove the Spririt of truth is completly caught up in this book. You need to prove that nothing on par beyond what is already written can exist.

 

[DNB]

It makes me wonder, if he doesn't believe what the Bible says to him, what voices is he hearing that makes him think it is Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

We know that God has said everything He is going to say to us in the pages of the written Scriptures. It's all there when we go digging for it to find answers for ourselves.

Yes, I think he has a profound misconception of what the convictions of a Christian entail.
I highly doubt his profession of faith.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Yes, but Paul's analogy was based on a Biblical principle, God's dealing with both Abraham's, genealogical, and spiritual descendants. Wisdom and comprehension, is often able to speak employing various literary conventions. It appeals to specific audiences.
Apparently the spirit that you're getting your inspiration from, may not be from the source that you claim?

Let me ask you this. At the very begining of scripture writing, what scripture did the very first author of scripture have to base his writings on?

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Yes, I think he has a profound misconception of what the convictions of a Christian entail.
I highly doubt his profession of faith.

And God doubts yours too

 

[Paul Christensen]

Counter 1: If that's all they needed, then Paul isn't included in that (you say his writing are part of that which is needed). Therefore, if Paul's writings are 'Scripture' that is not an adequate proof for your point

Counter 2: They searched the scriptures, so what? The Spirit of truth resides in these words, but by no means does all the Spirit of truth abide in them. You again fail to prove the Spririt of truth is completly caught up in this book. You need to prove that nothing on par beyond what is already written can exist.

Well, Paul did say that all Scripture is given by inspiration from God for instruction and reproof so that the man of God is fully equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). So that is good enough for me. I don't need hear to some 'voice' in my head purporting to be the Holy Spirit unless it directs me to the written Scriptures.

 

[DNB]

And God doubts yours too

Right now, you're not a very reliable source to explain either the will, or approbation of God.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Right now, you're not a very reliable source to explain either the will, or approbation of God.

You just failed when you thought my words were my own

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

Well, Paul did say that all Scripture is given by inspiration from God for instruction and reproof so that the man of God is fully equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). So that is good enough for me. I don't need hear to some 'voice' in my head purporting to be the Holy Spirit unless it directs me to the written Scriptures.

It's kinda sad to be honest. You think the Spirit is wrapped up in that book when in reality it is wrapped up in the Christian

 

[Paul Christensen]

Let me ask you this. At the very begining of scripture writing, what scripture did the very first author of scripture have to base his writings on?

It was Moses, and he fellowshiped with God face to face in the Tabernacle as they journeyed through the wilderness and God told him directly what to write. Because God's direct Word is true, He doesn't need to consult a secondary source for what He says. There is no secondary source behind God. He is God and there is no other, and His word is true.

Also, the Ten Commandments were written by God Himself on the tablets of stone, so they aren't the word of man but the direct word of God written by God Himself.

So, the Ten Commandments were not just the Jewish law, it is God's direct moral law, written by His own hand, and therefore they apply to all people, Jew and Gentile, Old Covenant and New Covenant, and we are all going to be judged in accordance with our observance of them.

 

[Paul Christensen]

It's kinda sad to be honest. You think the Spirit is wrapped up in that book when in reality it is wrapped up in the Christian

If you don't believe that the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible through the authors as stated in 2 Timothy 3:16, then if you are believing stuff that a "voice" spoke to you but is not consistent with what the Holy Spirit wrote in the Bible, then you cannot be hearing from the Holy Spirit because He does not contradict Himself.

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

It was Moses, and he fellowshiped with God face to face in the Tabernacle as they journeyed through the wilderness and God told him directly what to write. Because God's direct Word is true, He doesn't need to consult a secondary source for what He says. There is no secondary source behind God. He is God and there is no other, and His word is true.

Also, the Ten Commandments were written by God Himself on the tablets of stone, so they aren't the word of man but the direct word of God written by God Himself.

So, the Ten Commandments were not just the Jewish law, it is God's direct moral law, written by His own hand, and therefore they apply to all people, Jew and Gentile, Old Covenant and New Covenant, and we are all going to be judged in accordance with our observance of them.

You make annoyingly lengthy responses full of nonsense. Besides this, the answer is that the writings of the bible are not the origin. So then, I tell you now heed the origin which exists feely outside those pages.

 

[Paul Christensen]

You just failed when you thought my words were my own

You make annoyingly lengthy responses full of nonsense. Besides this, the answer is that the writings of the bible are not the origin. So then, I tell you now heed the origin which exists feely outside those pages.

So you don't believe that God actually wrote the original Ten Commandments on the tablets of stone in His own handwriting?

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

If you don't believe that the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible through the authors as stated in 2 Timothy 3:16, then if you are believing stuff that a "voice" spoke to you but is not consistent with what the Holy Spirit wrote in the Bible, then you cannot be hearing from the Holy Spirit because He does not contradict Himself.

I'm fine, you again just lack intellect so you see things you don't understand and assume they must be contradictory rather than understand the complex relationship. Simply put, I'm saying that you regaurd the Bible in the Spirit's place and that anything outside the Bible is heresy. It's literally your foundation. You're a biblically based Christian right? Sad, you should be a Spirit based christian

 

[RonaldMcjeraldMcjerald]

So you don't believe that God actually wrote the original Ten Commandments on the tablets of stone in His own handwriting?

He wrote meaning and put them in shells to be understood. However, you take those shells as the meaning rather the meaning inside the shells. This creates problems which are causing you to misunderstand much right now

 

[Paul Christensen]

I'm fine, you again just lack intellect so you see things you don't understand and assume they must be contradictory rather than understand the complex relationship. Simply put, I'm saying that you regaurd the Bible in the Spirit's place and that anything outside the Bible is heresy. It's literally your foundation. You're a biblically based Christian right? Sad, you should be a Spirit based christian

The Holy Spirit wrote the Bible, so if I am a Biblical Christian then I am living and walking in the Spirit. Can you show me what your authority is for what you are saying? Not just you saying it, because that is just your own authority based on just your own opinion. To prove your point you need to provide observable evidence outside of yourself, which can be tested.

 

[Paul Christensen]

He wrote meaning and put them in shells to be understood. However, you take those shells as the meaning rather the meaning inside the shells. This creates problems which are causing you to misunderstand much right now

He wrote Ten Commandments on tablets of stone, not in shells. And those Ten Commandments are direct and clear and mean what they literally say. For example, if it says don't commit adultery, it means don't have an affair with some who isn't your wife. It is says don't steal, then you are not permitted to take anything that doesn't belong to you. If it says don't bear false witness, it means not to tell lies. Where it says not to take the Lord's name in vain, it means that you can't use God's name as a curse word. If you have ever done any of these things, even in a minor way, you have violated the Ten Commandments and you will be found guilty at the judgment. This is what the Bible says. If you don't believe that then you might feel free to lie, steal, use God's name as a curse word, view pornography, cheat on your wife, because if the Ten Commandments is not God's moral law, then anything goes. You might as well eat, drink and be merry because tomorrow you will die, and that will be it.