The Criteria of Antichrist.

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Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
Revelation 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Women in prophetic scripture represent the church, or the people of God. IN the OT Israel, in the NT, the church. There are many texts that affirm this, and I think most of us are quite familiar with them. Often Israel was described as a harlot when she was walking in a backslidden or apostate state. In Revelation 12 the pure woman represents God's people in their faithful state. And elsewhere in the NT the church is described as a bride, adorned beautifully for her husband. The above verse describes the apostate church of NT times, having authority (sitting like as per Moses seat) over many people and nations. This indeed is appropriately applied to the Papacy particularly of the dark ages.
Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
We know from Revelation 12:3 that the dragon is Satan. However, with a little exegesis, comparing scripture with scripture, we can deduce that the dragon also is a representative of pagan Rome. How do we do that? We read in Rev.12:4 that the dragon stood before the man-child, who we know as Jesus, to kill Him as soon as He was born. We know from the gospels that history reveals that Herod, representing pagan Rome as their appointed king over Judea, attempted to slay the infant while still in Bethlehem. We also have already ascertained in previous posts that the fourth beast of Daniel 7:7,8; 11; 19,20. was pagan Rome. As we read the description of both these beasts, we see a remarkable likeness between the two...which is only natural as the little horn which grew from pagan Rome, the papacy, should naturally inherit the characteristics of the parent stock...the dragon like beast...Satan. Yes, the Antichrist can be likened to the child of Satan...just as Jesus is the child of His Father and inherited His Father's full divine nature, so does the Antichrist bear the likeness of the wicked one.

Ten diadems. (13:1)
Diadems represent kings. We must remember now that these ten are different to the ten horns of the beast of Daniel 7...albeit still a similar nature. Why these are different is because this vision is still future. We cannot therefore with any certainty claim to know exactly who these kings are. Nevertheless, we know from other texts in the same chapter and elsewhere, that the dominion of the Antichrist is a global dominion. We are told that the whole world will wonder after him. And that his prophet would enforce his ark on every man. What is interesting is that the UN of recent years has already divided the planet into ten separate territories, each one to have a chief administrator (king?) but all subservient to the global body, what we know as the NWO. Some of you would already be aware of your local territory as likely oppose the proposition, such as the one in north America, Mexico, the US, and Canada. There are similar proposed unions in our part of the world, and a little research will uncover world maps with the details.

Ten horns (13:1)
The ten horns, that is kingdoms or political powers, as described above.

Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
As mentioned above, the dragon represents Satan, and his earthly representative, pagan Rome. Who did the Catholic Church receive her authority from? We must remember, when we are discussing political powers such as horns and beasts, we are not discussing sole religious powers, but secular/political/civil rule. The Papacy is a mixture of both...a church / state union. It was not always so. In the beginning of the papal power she was just a church, but in the 6th century she received authority to rule as the civil magistrate in Rome in the absence of the emperor. It was Justinian, the pagan emperor of the eastern Roman state in Constantinople, that in 533AD authorised the Pope to have civil autonomy in Rome, as well as religious authority to weed out heresy etc. A quick google search will uncover plenty of detail and evidence to corroborate this.
42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
Justinian's decree as I said, was drafted and sealed in 533 AD. But at that time the Popes or bishops of Rome were under the yoke and authority of the Goths. The Goths ruled Rome and most of Italy, and no bishops or popes were elected without Gothic approval. For the Popes to take full political power and independence the Goths needed to be removed. This did indeed take place. In February 538AD when Belisarius entered Rome and drove them out. Although from time to time the Goths attempted to return, they were unsuccessful in unseating the Pope from Rome, and eventually the Goths disappeared into history...the were the third horn uprooted before the little horn came to full power.
The 42 months cannot be literal, as the Antichrist is ordained prophetically to exist right up to the second coming. So what does the 42 months represent? The same as the 1260 days...a day for a year in like manner as the 490 day/70 week prophecy of Daniel 9 which is understood by all to mean 490 years. Thus the papacy was to rule in its first phase for 1260 years. Did she? Yes, absolutely.....

Was slain (13:3)
….In 1798 Napoleon's general Berthier entered Rome and took the Pope captive, removed the Papal states from his authority giving them back to Italy, and thus was the Antichrist "slain". His civil power at an end, and European leaders at that time thought the Papacy was finished. However...
Resurrected (13:3)
….in 1929 Mussolini returned the Vatican to the Pope, declaring the Vatican an independent state through the Lateran treaty.

Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)
Since then the Popes have worked assiduously to regain their post prestige and power...their ambitions are global. All the world is now indeed wondering after the beast, and will soon bow down in submission and obedience to her doctrines and false commandments.
 

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“Dear friends, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him because we will see Him as He is.” (1 John 3:2) (HCSB)

Here's something to delight in. Jesus is God and we have his imputed righteousness (Romans 5:19). So God sees us as though we are as righteous as God even though we are not. If we were as righteous as humanly possible, we would still have only finite righteousness. But we have God's infinite righteousness instead. And because of Christ, we will enjoy the supreme blessing forever that only God deserves.
Hmmm, I forgot about that John verse, thank you. His righteousness imputed to us is, very hard to wrap the head around! Either way, it's Good News all the way around :) Ty!
 
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Hmmm, I forgot about that John verse, thank you. His righteousness imputed to us is, very hard to wrap the head around! Either way, it's Good News all the way around :) Ty!
If you study Romans 5, God imputed Adam's sin to us in that all are born sinners. He then placed Jesus on trial of obedience for all his children. So we have Jesus' imputed righteousness where we once had Adam's imputed sin. Only Jesus is God, so we have infinite righteousness instead of Adam's finite righteousness, had he never sinned.

Here's the Greek version of Romans 5:19.

“for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.” (Romans 5:19) (YLT)

We still struggle working out our own righteousness in appreciation for God granting us His righteousness.
 
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If you study Romans 5, God imputed Adam's sin to us in that all are born sinners. He then placed Jesus on trial of obedience for all his children. So we have Jesus' imputed righteousness where we once had Adam's imputed sin. Only Jesus is God, so we have infinite righteousness instead of Adam's finite righteousness, had he never sinned.

Here's the Greek version of Romans 5:19.

“for as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall the many be constituted righteous.” (Romans 5:19) (YLT)

We still struggle working out our own righteousness in appreciation for God granting us His righteousness.

Good word. "We still struggle working out our own righteousness in appreciation for God granting us His righteousness." <--- Don't you so want to hear God say "well done, good and faithful servant"? I might just get an, "okay, c'mon in, you did okay" Ahaha.
 
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It is precisely what the Bible calls Antichrist.

It cannot be a single individual because:
  • it was predicted to rise among the ten barbarian nations which arose out of pagan Rome
  • it was to continue from that time - 6th century A.D. - all the way to the return of Christ.
It is IMPOSSIBLE for a single man to fulfill this.

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him (two simultaneous events on the same day), That ye be not soon shaken in mind...as that the day of Christ is at hand...Let no man deceive you by any means (as you have been by Jesuit Futurism): for [that day shall not come] (the translators were in full agreement that the Greek referred to a singular day), except there come a falling away ("apostasia" - referring to the great papal apostasy, NOT some nonsense about "the church falling away from the Earth in a secret rapture") first, and that man of sin (papal Antichrist) be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."
Even if a temple is built in Jerusalem, it is inconsequential. The "Temple of God" (Gr. "NAOS") is Paul's way of referencing the Church, over which the papacy has set itself up, and YOU are teaching Jesuit lies by which you've been deceived because "Israel" in Scripture has nothing to do with those who occupy the ancient land of Israel today..."Israel" is defined in Scripture as those who "are Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed..."
Once again, you're just parroting popular nonsense. The verse in Daniel 8, "out of one of them came forth another little horn", Hebrew pronoun gender agreement absolutely disqualifies the "four horns" as the noun to which "them" refers and demands it refers to the only other noun: "the four winds" meaning "four directions" as in a compass. The equivalent rendering of what you and the rest of Jesuit Futurist Christianity claim would be, "Know that the Lord, SHE is our God."
Seriously, what prophetic time line did you makeup to establish this? There's nothing in Scripture so support such a timeline.
The Greek Empire has fallen off the stage of history by the time the papal Antichrist arose. The only thing the Antichrist has to do with Greece is that it incorporates the philosophies of Greece, as it does that of Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Rome, according to the description of the first Beast of Revelation 13.
While it is true there were differences regarding various aspects of Christian belief during the Protestant Reformation (unavoidable after 1,000 years darkness due to the papacy withholding the Bible, it is with absolute stunning unanimity with which the Reformers proved from Scripture the papal Antichrist - proof with which you are so obviously unfamiliar, having allowed yourself to drink nothing but Jesuit Koolaid.
Now you resort to lying. I have never seen Brakelite attempt to establish any of his spiritual propositions with anything other than Scripture.
The "False Prophet" and the "Beast" Antichrist are TWO DIFFERENT things, in Revelation.
There will never be another "Roman Empire" - what's coming is a New World Order where the papacy will be at the head.
Okay my friends and fellow inquirers after truth, time to get back to the main topic...
Allow me to quote something I posted a few pages back before we got distracted...something I think needs to be refreshed...


The above description is found in Revelation 13...and as you can see so very clearly, this Antichrist beast (remember beasts in prophecy are kingdoms, not individuals) counterfeits the true Christ in so many ways...as can be seen here....

Thus the Antichrist is not an entity that simply opposes Christ and/or Christianity as many claim, but in fact replaces Christ as a usurper, a false Christ, a counterfeit Christian system that purports to represent Christ, just as Paul described when he referred to the man of sin as the "son of perdition", which name is uniquely given to Judas...who didn't oppose Jesus, but betrayed Him with a pretense of faithfulness and loyalty.
The question must therefore be asked, considering that this thread is an expose of the Catholic Church as the Antichrist, does the RCC meet all the criteria of the above description of the sea beats of Revelation 13:1-3?
The final 2 criteria I promised will be covered as I go through the above 9 points. And of course these 9 points simply add further evidence and affirmation that the charge against the Papacy by the reformers, and a few of todays churches with the courage to proclaim the truth, is founded on good sound Biblical exegesis.

Nowhere does the Bible say beast are just kingdoms. Sometimes her kingdoms and sometimes they are men.

Theriomacheo
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number:
2342 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
qhrivon diminutive from the same as (2339)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Therion 3:133,333
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
thay-ree'-on Noun Neuter
Definition
  1. an animal
  2. a wild animal, wild beast, beast
  3. metaph. a brutal, bestial man, savage, ferocious
 

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Okay my friends and fellow inquirers after truth, time to get back to the main topic...
Allow me to quote something I posted a few pages back before we got distracted...something I think needs to be refreshed...


The above description is found in Revelation 13...and as you can see so very clearly, this Antichrist beast (remember beasts in prophecy are kingdoms, not individuals) counterfeits the true Christ in so many ways...as can be seen here....

Thus the Antichrist is not an entity that simply opposes Christ and/or Christianity as many claim, but in fact replaces Christ as a usurper, a false Christ, a counterfeit Christian system that purports to represent Christ, just as Paul described when he referred to the man of sin as the "son of perdition", which name is uniquely given to Judas...who didn't oppose Jesus, but betrayed Him with a pretense of faithfulness and loyalty.
The question must therefore be asked, considering that this thread is an expose of the Catholic Church as the Antichrist, does the RCC meet all the criteria of the above description of the sea beats of Revelation 13:1-3?
The final 2 criteria I promised will be covered as I go through the above 9 points. And of course these 9 points simply add further evidence and affirmation that the charge against the Papacy by the reformers, and a few of todays churches with the courage to proclaim the truth, is founded on good sound Biblical exegesis.


The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number:
2342 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
qhrivon diminutive from the same as (2339)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Therion 3:133,333
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
thay-ree'-on Noun Neuter
Definition
  1. an animal
  2. a wild animal, wild beast, beast
  3. metaph. a brutal, bestial man, savage, ferocious

Wrong again. A beast most assuredly can be an individual.
 

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After beginning to read a wee Willie’s recommended book, I have come to the understanding that the hatred of the RCC is very much an American Protestant phenomenon as is reflected above by the majority of those who have participated by posting.

Sadly, to protect your shaky theological understandings, people tend to create a common enemy to rile against and blame them for all that is wrong in our world.

Unity is gained thorough the insecurity of those who come together to fight the good fight against the perceived enemy without realising that the enemy, i.e. Satan, is already within your own ranks.

A very Christian thing to do, no less.


Shalom
 

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After beginning to read a wee Willie’s recommended book, I have come to the understanding that the hatred of the RCC is very much an American Protestant phenomenon as is reflected above by the majority of those who have participated by posting.

Sadly, to protect your shaky theological understandings, people tend to create a common enemy to rile against and blame them for all that is wrong in our world.

Unity is gained thorough the insecurity of those who come together to fight the good fight against the perceived enemy without realising that the enemy, i.e. Satan, is already within your own ranks.

A very Christian thing to do, no less.


Shalom

Try again, atheists to Catholics and Christians, Muslims hate Catholics and Christians, and a lot of others take Catholics and Christians.

The Bible teaches us to hate all sin in whatever form it takes.

All of which goes to show you were actually serving things because with all your talk of hatred.
 

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Yes, I read your reply to brakelite. Give it more consideration Naomi....If Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath and he was referring to the seventh day there is no justifiable reason to call the first day of the week 'The Lord's Day'

Meeting on the first day of the week also does not constitute 'The Lords Day' any more than meeting on any other day of the week whether that is to break bread, speak in tongues, do miracles, walk on the water or even rise from the dead, noteworthy though these events may be.

John mentioning being in the spirit on the Lords Day for him was clearly the 7th Day. To use this scripture as John referring to the Ist Day of the week by him not mentioning the word 'Sabbath' is an attempt to force the language to say something that it is not, particularly given the context of their experience in the grain field and the ensuing conversation.

Gathering on the first day does also not constitute a justifiable position in saying that the fourth Commandment has now been altered for a change of days any more than a polygamous arrangement does not constitute adultery or greed does not not constitute coveting or 'borrowing' does not constitute stealing or parental neglect does not constitute dishonouring ones parents the which Jesus drew attention to in Mark 7:11-13

Approving what is acceptable to men by making the language mean that which suits their fancy because of tradition or fashion or popular opinion is not a justifiable reason to change what God has commanded all the while attempting to make it appear as if God himself has changed the matter including his mind. This a grievous error.


That depends on why Christ said he was “Lord” of the Sabbath, don’t you think? The context of it? If he was only declaring himself master over it, which, sure, is true...then yeah...we would definitely say that Christ was in point of fact naming the Sabbath the Lords Day, after himself.
The problem with hanging everything on that, is that’s not what the passage strictly says, implies or means. Especially when we catalogue it with those other references I put down.
Christ is saying several things. First, yes, he is saying he is Lord of all. But that’s not all...he is saying that the Sabbath Day was itself a shadow or type that is now fulfilled in him perfectly. If we understand this correctly, we must see that the legalistic keeping of a day, within a structure of rules, regulations and expectations, is nothing more than law-keeping. It’s in Jesus we find our true Sabbath...rest, restoration, ease of burden and a wonderful coming closer to God in supplication and worship. And this can be done on any day...every day! Because we have the spirit within us!
Christ also said in Mark that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sanbath. This implies that God gave us that day for refreshment...a renewing of mind and spirit.
We are not meant, according to Jesus, to be bound to a day by strict rules and laws, as the Jews were, but to take the time finding those things by being closer to God. Something we do in Christ now.
Thirdly, Paul wraps it up for us by outright stating that the Sabbath is no longer something Christians can be held to or judged by.

Now...you say that John, in Revelation, was not “in the Spirit” on a Sunday. Because it doesn’t say that. And that’s fair enough. But it doesn’t say Sabbath either, and you’ll find throughout the NT that the Jewish authors still apply that term for that day. They often went to synagogues on Sabbath in the hopes of witnessing to the fellow Jews. So, it is just as much assumption on your part of what day “The Lords Day” is as mine. More so, I’d summit, for the reason I just have...John would most certainly have labelled it the Sabbath if it had been.

You also say that the Christians gathering on the first day of the week “doesn’t constitute a justifiable position” for altering the fourth commandment...but again, you miss the point where Christ himself declared himself to BE the fulfilment of that forth commandment, and that every time we come to him, we are keeping the forth commandment. Put that together with the very clear occasions in scripture when they did, in fact meet on the first day of the week, and I’m afraid we land right where Paul does in saying that 1- we have this freedom, and 2- no one should judge us for exercising it.
That goes fully for those choosing to worship on a Saturday, by the way. Or a Wednesday, or whatever day they can.
 

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That depends on why Christ said he was “Lord” of the Sabbath, don’t you think? The context of it? If he was only declaring himself master over it, which, sure, is true...then yeah...we would definitely say that Christ was in point of fact naming the Sabbath the Lords Day, after himself.
The problem with hanging everything on that, is that’s not what the passage strictly says, implies or means. Especially when we catalogue it with those other references I put down.
Christ is saying several things. First, yes, he is saying he is Lord of all. But that’s not all...he is saying that the Sabbath Day was itself a shadow or type that is now fulfilled in him perfectly. If we understand this correctly, we must see that the legalistic keeping of a day, within a structure of rules, regulations and expectations, is nothing more than law-keeping. It’s in Jesus we find our true Sabbath...rest, restoration, ease of burden and a wonderful coming closer to God in supplication and worship. And this can be done on any day...every day! Because we have the spirit within us!
Christ also said in Mark that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sanbath. This implies that God gave us that day for refreshment...a renewing of mind and spirit.
We are not meant, according to Jesus, to be bound to a day by strict rules and laws, as the Jews were, but to take the time finding those things by being closer to God. Something we do in Christ now.
Thirdly, Paul wraps it up for us by outright stating that the Sabbath is no longer something Christians can be held to or judged by.

Now...you say that John, in Revelation, was not “in the Spirit” on a Sunday. Because it doesn’t say that. And that’s fair enough. But it doesn’t say Sabbath either, and you’ll find throughout the NT that the Jewish authors still apply that term for that day. They often went to synagogues on Sabbath in the hopes of witnessing to the fellow Jews. So, it is just as much assumption on your part of what day “The Lords Day” is as mine. More so, I’d summit, for the reason I just have...John would most certainly have labelled it the Sabbath if it had been.

You also say that the Christians gathering on the first day of the week “doesn’t constitute a justifiable position” for altering the fourth commandment...but again, you miss the point where Christ himself declared himself to BE the fulfilment of that forth commandment, and that every time we come to him, we are keeping the forth commandment. Put that together with the very clear occasions in scripture when they did, in fact meet on the first day of the week, and I’m afraid we land right where Paul does in saying that 1- we have this freedom, and 2- no one should judge us for exercising it.
That goes fully for those choosing to worship on a Saturday, by the way. Or a Wednesday, or whatever day they can.

Amen. When Christ said "It is finished"...ALL the work is done. He is seated at His Fathers right hand...resting because, it is done, amen. No rules or regulations or criticism as to New Moon festivals, Sabbaths...♥
 
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Try again, atheists to Catholics and Christians, Muslims hate Catholics and Christians, and a lot of others take Catholics and Christians.

The Bible teaches us to hate all sin in whatever form it takes.

All of which goes to show you were actually serving things because with all your talk of hatred.

Thanks for your display of understanding in what was written by myself, as I think you did not engage the brain at all before writing what you writ.
 

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Nowhere does the Bible say beast are just kingdoms. Sometimes her kingdoms and sometimes they are men.

Theriomacheo
The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number:
2342 Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
qhrivon diminutive from the same as (2339)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Therion 3:133,333
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
thay-ree'-on Noun Neuter
Definition
  1. an animal
  2. a wild animal, wild beast, beast
  3. metaph. a brutal, bestial man, savage, ferocious
Why should the Bible have to prove your negative when it POSITIVELY identifies "beast" with "kingdom" several times?
 
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