The Criteria of Antichrist.

[Waiting on him]

The 4th commandment doesn't say "worship Me on this day, and only this day". And those who observe the 7th day Sabbath do worship on other days. That isn't the issue. It doesn't actually say 'worship' at all. It says, "remember to keep the Sabbath holy". That is something you cannot do just "any day", and nor is it something you can replace with another day. Jesus Himself blessed one particular day, sanctified, making it holy. The 7th day. No where in scripture does it say that situation has been changed. Regardless of what the apostles may have done on the first day, regardless of what even Jesus did on the first day...the 7th day is still holy, and will continue to be throughout eternity, as Isa 66:23 testifies.
It is therefore still a holy day, regardless of what you do on any other day. Jesus said He was Lord of that day, which only makes sense considering its origins. It is His day. He owns it. The Sabbath, the 7th day, is the true Lord's Day. And He said it was made for man. He made a day of rest for man. For you and me. Its a gift. Why do so many make it out to be a burden? What He asks us to do is to not take that holiness away from it by working on that day. So simple. So easy. Yet people resist it with such fervour and determination.

First I’d like to say you are a devout student of the word of God, I thank God for you.

The question in your response is why do people see this as such a burden? My answer is I don’t see it as a burden, and I’m not convicted of it if I choose to work Saturday or Sunday... just. Being honest
I believe the conflict comes in when anyone says you have to do this or that.

Paul I believe said a man sin is anything he’s convicted of as being sin.

 

[brakelite]

I believe the conflict comes in when anyone says you have to do this or that.

I struggle with the idea that Christians claim the ten commandments are simply suggestions. Its not about what Man says we must do...either God is Lord and has authority over our lives, or He doesn't.

 

[mjrhealth]

I struggle with the idea that Christians claim the ten commandments are simply suggestions. Its not about what Man says we must do...either God is Lord and has authority over our lives, or He doesn't.

Why is it not for us, Ill give it to you straight.

1. The law was given by Moses to the Israelites, it was never given to us gentiles, so you have made claim that that what is not your, breaking the commandment, thou shalt not steal,
2. In reference to 1 above, the Jews being our neighbors, you have broken another, tho shalt not covet thy neighbors goods, the law given to them.
3. Again in reference to 1 and 2 above, Since you are supposed to be the "bride" of Christ and yet have chosen another woman husband, the law who is given to the Jews's, you have broken another law, thou shat not commit adultery, worst being you are forsaking Christ your true husband for the law.
4. The sabbath, the law is all works of the flesh, it is your works which since you put yourself under, and therefore never resting have broken the sabbath, in that you are not resting from your own works and therefore it is not being kept Holy and to Him.
5. And since you insist, on "demanding" that others keep the law, which only brings death, you have already committed murder in your heart , and so have broken the law, Thou shalt not Kill.

of course all this leads to the worst of all,

because you have imposed all of this upon your brother, you have broken the greatest of them all.

Joh_13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Love would never lay a stumbling block before His brother causing Him to stumble and sentencing Him to death..I could add Idols and Gods which covers most of religion, but I think you have enough to ponder

 

[Waiting on him]

I struggle with the idea that Christians claim the ten commandments are simply suggestions. Its not about what Man says we must do...either God is Lord and has authority over our lives, or He doesn't.

I struggle with all the law... especially the one where he commands to love my neighbor as I love my self.

 

[brakelite]

The law was given by Moses to the Israelites, it was never given to us gentiles, so you have made claim that that what is not your, breaking the commandment, thou shalt not steal,

How did Joseph know that adultery was a sin against God?

 

[CoreIssue]

How did Joseph know that adultery was a sin against God?

A God given sense of right and wrong.

 

[mjrhealth]

How did Joseph know that adultery was a sin against God?

Well you are a sinner so you claim, so why dont you tell us, you seem to know all about it....

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

so we all know know where you stand, and it isnt on Grace and Christ and the truth. You wont let that idol your religion go will you, not even for Christ.

 

[Waiting on him]

A God given sense of right and wrong.

How did Joseph know that adultery was a sin against God?

The law is good I wish I could perform it!

 

[Waiting on him]

How did Joseph know that adultery was a sin against God?

I noticed the other day that the word conscience was never used in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament Paul talks a lot about his clear conscience. The conscience is the faculty by wich we judge our selves

 

[Waiting on him]

I noticed the other day that the word conscience was never used in the Old Testament, but in the New Testament Paul talks a lot about his clear conscience. The conscience is the faculty by wich we judge our selves

How do you perceive that?

 

[Waiting on him]

How do you perceive that?

Please disregard I don’t want to get you guys any further off subject.

 

[quietthinker]

I have been studying for 57 years. I rejected your thinking decades ago.

hmmmm, I see your justification is determined by the years you have studied and what you have accepted and rejected years ago. Hmmmm, interesting base to determine your conclusions!

 

[quietthinker]

Seeing CoreIssue and some others have issue with SDA, I wonder whether it has been considered if a difference exists between the Adventist Movement and the Adventist Church?

 

[mjrhealth]

Seeing CoreIssue and some others have issue with SDA, I wonder whether it has been considered if a difference exists between the Adventist Movement and the Adventist Church?

No just religion in general, a harlot is a harlot no matter how you dress her..

 

[brakelite]

No just religion in general, a harlot is a harlot no matter how you dress her..

Says one who claims the word of God is an idol to those who believe it. Ps 119:126 It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law. You use the law to identify unbelievers, because they transgress it. You know a person is a sinner because he is a thief. You know a person is outside of Christ, because he incessantly lies and curses God. You know a person is separated from Christ and lost, because he is violent and selfish. They are all lost because they transgress God's laws. Yet when someone enters your life who upholds Christ, magnifies God's laws and holds them in esteem, gives God the glory for having received the power to obey His laws, you reveal your antipathy against not just that person, not just against the law of God which he makes honourable, but also against the God who has saved him and given him the grace necessary to obey.
Whenever a person's actions reflect a glaring disregard for God's commandments, we recognise they are separated from Jesus. The Bible labels them as lost...spiritually dead.
Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says "I know Him", and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1John2:3,4

Christ came to magnify the law and make it honourable. We are to walk in His steps. Would you say this of Christ....

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

….after all, it was Christ who gave it to Moses. 1 Tim 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully.
You also need to make up your mind as to who the law was for. The sinner, or for Israel? And to infer that the law ceases to be the moral standard for righteousness , that God's people are no longer under any obligation to obey God's own laws of righteousness and love, is patently absurd.

 

[CoreIssue]

hmmmm, I see your justification is determined by the years you have studied and what you have accepted and rejected years ago. Hmmmm, interesting base to determine your conclusions!

I was challenged for not considering the SDA doctrine on this issue.

I simply pointed out it is nothing new to me, that I've heard it more than once over the years, and it did not stand the test of the Bible or logic.

And I realize you are also SDA.

It also points out the criticism of why I rejected it is based on the fallacy. Meaning I never researched it.

 

[mjrhealth]

Yet when someone enters your life who upholds Christ,

It is not Christ you are upholding it is your religions doctrines and teh law, above and before Christ, Grace and the truth, all you seek to do is justify the lies of your religion. And that is why it is an Idol, because you have put it before God, and there is no life in it, as there is no life in idols.

Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[quietthinker]

And I realize you are also SDA.

Do you realise that!!!!
Let me ask you a question CoreIssue.... how is it that on such a small thing you can't get that right??

 

[CoreIssue]

Do you realise that!!!!
Let me ask you a question CoreIssue.... how is it that on such a small thing you can't get that right??

Because you let it out before.

 

[quietthinker]

It is not Christ you are upholding it is your religions doctrines and teh law

teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

It is clearly obvious you do not understand what you are saying.....In one statement you imply upholding the law is opposed to Jesus and the next statement you say that the commandments of men are taught. I'm wondering if you understand the difference?
I would say you are as confused as our friend CoreIssue.