The Devil Here In Person?

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Stumpmaster

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No, he is still free to roam to deceive. Haven't you read 1 Peter 5:8?

Satan is not locked in his pit prison until Jesus returns, and then he is locked in his pit per Revelation 20.
Until the seals are opened and the trumpets sounded the abyss is sealed so that not even its smoke escapes let alone the demon-locusts inside. Even when the abyss is opened no-one gets to the bottom of its mysteries.

Rev 9:1-2 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. (2) And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.
 
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No, he is still free to roam to deceive. Haven't you read 1 Peter 5:8?

Satan is not locked in his pit prison until Jesus returns, and then he is locked in his pit per Revelation 20.
Why in the world are you asking me that?? My statement actually agrees with what you just posted.
 

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Revelation 9:1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit [pit of the abyss]."

The "star" that falls to the earth is the star of Isaiah 14. The star is "Lucifer", who will be the Antichrist once he arrives on earth. Satan is given the key, or authority to the bottomless pit, for this is where Satan's fallen angels are held.

Satan is to be God's executioner of God's divine wrath that is to be poured out upon the earth. God is going to give Satan the right to have his way with all who are blind to God's Word.

Remember, God removed the wall of protection around Job; for Satan. The only stipulation God gave Satan was that he was not allowed to take Job's life. Job had the will; Satan did the testing, and God allowed it. This is an example of what is to happen in these end times; and that is why we must be ready, and with our spiritual armor on.

Right now, today, Satan is not in that bottomless pit, but in heaven. He is the accuser of the saints before the throne of God. The fallen angels are in the pit, or the abyss. The pit is not a place, or location, but a point of degradation. It's a similar statement to Satan being told he would always crawl on his belly, as the serpent. No Satan never became a snake, but he was a deceiver and his actions were as that of a snake.

Revelation 9:2 "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

This is the pit that holds every evil spirit that is on the earth and in God's confinement. This smoke comes from the pit, and it darkens, not eliminates the sun and air. When Jesus Christ returns the sun, moon and stars are eliminated. This darkening is talked about in Revelation 8:12, where one third of visibility is gone, at the sounding of the fourth trumpet.

This smoke is setting up the people of the earth for the supernatural things about to happen. Just like in Job's case, God will set limits how far Satan can go. What is important to us, as Christians; is that we be able to identify Satan, and his works, by what ever roll he plays, or name he choses for himself.

Revelation 9:3 "And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

This locust army that comes upon the earth is Satan's army of demonic forces. They are the fallen angels, and demons, both coming with Satan, and those that are already here upon the earth.

The "power" in the Greek, is "exousia"; it means "authority", or delegated power by God to them. It is the right to carry out the wrath of God, in His [God's] behalf. When they strike, or exert their power on the deceived, it is a spiritual power, as we see in Ephesians 6:10-20. This is because we are in a spiritual battle against Satan and His forces.

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Since the Antichrist is called "the Man of Sin" that already demolishes your theory. Furthermore Satan (the Dragon) is distinct from the Antichrist (the Beast) in Revelation 13, and both are worshipped at that time. Since Satan is a spirit being called "the prince of the power of the air" he is not presently confined to the Bottomless Pit either. IOW you are rather confused.

satan is called a man in Ezekiel .The man of sin is satan, whom is the antichrist
 
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Satan isn't in the bottomless pit right now. He is the prince of the power of the air. He even appeared before God and acquired permission to test Job.

As far as the antichrist, he is/will be the literal offspring (seed, son) of satan ...a nephilim. God foretold this in Genesis.


Genesis 3:14-15
[14]And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[15]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

satan did that already to Eve, that was the sin in the Garden. cain was his son , she had twins, Adam was the father of Abel
 

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Until the seals are opened and the trumpets sounded the abyss is sealed so that not even its smoke escapes let alone the demon-locusts inside. Even when the abyss is opened no-one gets to the bottom of its mysteries.

Don't know where you're getting that idea. The opening of the Seals and sounding of the Trumpets have nothing to do with unlocking the bottomless pit, which is just another symbolic name for the abode of the wicked in the heavenly called hell, or Hades. Satan is still free to roam today like Apostle Peter said.

The following is when Satan will be locked in his pit prison, which is when Jesus returns in the future...

Rev 20:1-3
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
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Don't make that first beast being about Gentiles, that's ADDING to God's Word. Revelation reveals the headquarters of the coming one world beast kingdom will be at Jerusalem. That is why God's two witnesses will appear there in Jerusalem for the tribulation time, to prophesy against the beast. It also why Satan will ascend of out of his bottomless pit there to kill God's two witnesses.
The only reason Satan and the FP set up shop in Jerusalem is because that is where Christ established His Temple and throne per Matthew 25:31-32

"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

That part from the OT where Christ rules from the "Throne of David". Not the literal throne, but
the city of David, Jerusalem. That was the seat of David's authority. Christ will set up His own Throne in His own Temple at the Second Coming.

This is where Satan and the FP are allowed authority in Revelation 13. Only if those 42 months are even necessary. The 2 witnesses are only killed in Jerusalem at the end of those 42 months, only if those 42 months even happen. Your proof starts from the end of the story, when it is easy to prove from the beginning with the actual Second Coming itself.

Jesus is not coming back to Washington DC. Jesus is not coming back to Europe. Jesus is coming back to the Mount of Olives and will enter Jerusalem to set up His Throne for the 1000 year reign. But first, the final harvest has to be completed, and that harvest is the GT.

Satan gets the left overs, the gleanings, those who have to choose a beheading to remain in the Lamb's book of life. Satan's 42 months is not the GT. It is just utter desolation. Even if Satan offers those with the mark "glorious utopia", God still declares it utter desolation. This is what chapters 17 and 18 describe.
 

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The opening of the Seals and sounding of the Trumpets have nothing to do with unlocking the bottomless pit, which is just another symbolic name for the abode of the wicked in the heavenly called hell, or Hades.
The abyss/bottomless pit from whence the demon-locust-army comes is the same abyss/bottomless pit that Satan is LATER bound for a thousand years in.

Rev 9:1-2
Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. (2) And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.

Rev 20:1-3 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. (2) He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; (3) and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Same pit, different part of the apocalypse. The key is the key and it's NOT held by Satan.
 

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The only reason Satan and the FP set up shop in Jerusalem is because that is where Christ established His Temple and throne per Matthew 25:31-32

The main reason he desires Jerusalem for himself is because he wants to be GOD. That was how he originally rebelled in the old world (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28). He coveted God's Throne, though it was originally his job to guard that Throne. And because God has said that He chose Jerusalem as His place to dwell forever, trying to copy that is part of Lucifer's attempt to play The Christ there.
 

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The abyss/bottomless pit from whence the demon-locust-army comes is the same abyss/bottomless pit that Satan is LATER bound for a thousand years in.
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It's the locusts that ascend out of the bottomless pit per Revelation 9, NOT Satan.

Rev 9:2-3
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

KJV

That above event is different than the 'beast' that ascends out of the bottomless pit (Revelation 17:8; Revelation 11:7).
 

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It's the locusts that ascend out of the bottomless pit per Revelation 9, NOT Satan.

Rev 9:2-3
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

KJV

That above event is different than the 'beast' that ascends out of the bottomless pit (Revelation 17:8; Revelation 11:7).
I notice you conflate other posters content with strawman fallacies. TTIY
 

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I notice you conflate other posters content with strawman fallacies. TTIY

Thank you for your opinion, which of course is just an ignorant opinion since I actually provide Scripture proof to back up what I'm saying.