Good then address Post #201You are not pressed for time or you would not be here...I never give anyone the runaround.
Last chance...
PICJAG
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Good then address Post #201You are not pressed for time or you would not be here...I never give anyone the runaround.
he's a troll 101G.Look, I don't need any run around, so to the point, if you will address Post #201 please.
thanks in advance.
John 1. Yes, he most certainly is.I'm afraid I didn't, for I would immediately contend that Jesus Christ is not deified in the New Testament, just for starters.
Of course there are verses that establish his deity as well as his humanity. Because he is truly God and truly man.Even if the ludicrous 'I Am' statements were a given, or Emmanuel, or 'I and the Father are one' were conceded to you, there would be a thousand that explicitly and fundamentally establish his humanity.
No such thing as a God-Man based on what? The Bible EXPLICITLY states He is God.And since there is no such thing as a god-man, and that the amount of verses and their weight that demand his humanity, overwhelm and preclude any notion of his deity, one must responsibly, and sensibly deny the trinity.
Nope, that's quite clearly a literary convention called antanaclasis. Jesus is the first-born of all creation, despite his chronology in history revealing otherwise. This was John's point i.e, Christ was not an after-thought in God's divine plan, for man's redemption. ...he was before Abraham!John 1. Yes, he most certainly is.
Jesus does not go through such great effort, establishing something that was so evident to every single person around him, unless he was intending to dispel the notion that he was divine. Everyone that met him saw him eat, sweat in the hot sun, and go and defecate in the lavatory, they all knew he was a man. His was trying to impress upon them that all his power and authority was derived from the Father, the sole and supreme God. For they had the tendency to deify men in those days, thus, he made an extremely concerted effort to dispel any such notions.Of course there are verses that establish his deity as well as his humanity. Because he is truly God and truly man.
Everything that defines Deity, is antithetical to what defines humanity. One is immortal, the other mortal, one is transcendent, the other corporeal, one is infallible, the other fallible, one is omnipresent, the other is circumscribed in space and time, one is holy, the other corruptible, etc...No such thing as a God-Man based on what? The Bible EXPLICITLY states He is God.
Hi Paul, if this is proof, will you address Post #210 please.There is plenty of proof in both the Old and New Testament that God is three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, so trying to disprove it is flogging a dead horse.
Nope, that's quite clearly a literary convention called antanaclasis. Jesus is the first-born of all creation, despite his chronology in history revealing otherwise. This was John's point i.e, Christ was not an after-thought in God's divine plan, for man's redemption.
(Colossians 1:14-18) "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: {15} Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: {16} For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: {17} And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. {18} And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
correct.By first born, Paul meant the first to rise from the dead a new creature. He isn't saying he was the first creature to actually be born, in earth or elsewhere, because he always has existed as "the word", who was with God from time immemorial, and its by him, the spoken word that all things were made.
uh huh, i was suspicious about you. For the longest while i thought that you didn't accept Christ's eternality, like myself, but i began to question it in your last few posts.By first born, Paul meant the first to rise from the dead a new creature. He isn't saying he was the first creature to actually be born, in earth or elsewhere, because he always has existed as "the word", who was with God from time immemorial, and its by him, the spoken word that all things were made.
JESUS is not a creature.uh huh, i was suspicious about you. For the longest while i thought that you didn't accept Christ's eternality, like myself, but i began to question it in your last few posts.
No, Christ was both the first-born of creation, because all was created for him. And, he was the first-born from the dead, because no one preceded him into heaven.
Well, that's a shame, I was hoping that you didn't subscribe to such a mystical and implausible theory?
Flesh and blood bleed, he just put it on. he was not a Partaker of flesh and blood, but only took it on... scripture, Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil"Creatures bleed, Christ bled.
Sorry, they're synonymous!Flesh and blood bleed, he just put it on. he was not a Partaker of flesh and blood, but only took it on... scripture, Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil"
learn the difference between "Partake" and "Took Part".
PICJAG.
The Scripture says that the Father is a Spirit and no one has seen Him at any time. Therefore all the appearances of God in the Old Testament could not have been the Father, therefore they must have been the pre-incarnate Son of God. Therefore Jesus Christ is the YHWH of the Old Testament because He appeared in person to people, which the Father, having no physical appears, would never have done.Look, I don't need any run around, so to the point, if you will address Post #201 please.
thanks in advance.
ERROR, did Jesus have a human Father? NO hence the virgin birth.Sorry, they're synonymous!