The earth is still global?

[Mike Waters]

So current space exploration photos show once again that the earth is global.
And yet some still accord great credibility to eminent 20th century fundamentalist theologians, including such as Dr E W Bullinger, who promoted the 'Gap Theory' in support of their conviction that "the earth is flat because the bible says so".
May God open the eyes of 'plenary biblical fundamentalism'.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

So current space exploration photos show once again that the earth is global.
And yet some still accord great credibility to eminent 20th century fundamentalist theologians, including such as Dr E W Bullinger, who promoted the 'Gap Theory' in support of their conviction that "the earth is flat because the bible says so".
May God open the eyes of 'plenary biblical fundamentalism'.

I don't know about the Gap Theory, but this is what the Bible says about the shape of the earth.

Isaiah 40:21-22
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

 

[101G]

So current space exploration photos show once again that the earth is global.
And yet some still accord great credibility to eminent 20th century fundamentalist theologians, including such as Dr E W Bullinger, who promoted the 'Gap Theory' in support of their conviction that "the earth is flat because the bible says so".
May God open the eyes of 'plenary biblical fundamentalism'.

Good topic,
the reason why many still think the earth is flat, because none haven't venture pass their city limit sign, or state boundary line, fearing if they go to far they will fall off the earth.

I cain't blam them, it a deep drop off is not looking while driving.......

PICJAG.

 

[ourforgiveness-com]

Greetings brothers,

Is the Earth a circle or a ball?

The following are just a handful of verses that give evidence to the truth of God.

What saith the Scripture?​

Joshua 10:12-14

12 “Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Ajalon.”

*** In the context of scripture, there is a battle going on between the Amorites and the Isrealites. At one point, the LORD intervenes by casting down great stones from heaven to favor the Isrealites in the battle, which is one of the miracles that happened that day . Joshua then commands the sun and the moon to stand still. Furthermore, it says that Joshua spoke this in the sight of the Isrealites, therefore, there was witnesses to this account. Also, take notice of the words (stand) and (still); these two words can be found in Exodus 14:13 “And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.”; This is right before Moses parts the sea.



13 “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down, about a whole day.”

***For the sun and the moon to stand still means that they rotate around the Earth, and not the way around. This was a super natural event that was worked by the LORD through Joshua. Notice, the sun stood still (in (inside) the (midst; middle, amongst, withing) of heaven; and that, (about a whole day), (until) the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Furthermore, the book of Jasher too bears testimony of this event.



14 “And there was no day like that, before it, or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.”
***This was a peculiar day.

"Is the Earth a ball, a circle, or round?"

​

Isaiah 22:18

“He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.”

***There is only one verse in the entire Bible that has the word (ball). Notice the word (like); it is a word used to compare the likeness/ similarities /resemblance /characteristics of one thing with another. The comparison here is that of a tumbleweed that travels across the barren and plain land. This is a prophesy that was foretold by the prophet regarding a man: that he would (turn) and (toss) like a (ball) into a large country. Without getting into the back story of this verse, the main focus here is the use of the words: (turn),(toss) and (ball); as you can see, the definition of a (ball) is clearly defined. The "alleged" heliocentric concept states that the Earth is a sphere/ globe/ oblate etc. or, in other words, it is an object that can (turn) and (toss) in space like a (ball). For now, it is only relevant to keep in remembrance this information.

"Now, what is a circle according to the scriptures?"​

Isaiahs 40:22
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:”

***This verse alone is filled with many key words. And also, the word (circle) is only found once in the Bible. And furthermore, both, the words (ball) and (circle) were written by the same author (Isaiahs). As we can see from the context of the verse, the LORD sits (upon), that is, up (above) and on (over) the (circle; arch/compass/vault) of the Earth. Genesis 7:6 gives a clear definition of the word (upon); “And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.” Furthermore, we, the inhabitants are described as grasshoppers, meaning, he (the LORD) looks down on us. Psalms 14:2 is a good cross reference: “The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.” As we can conclude, the word (circle) is not the same word as (ball).

"Now, is the Earth round?"​

Genesis 19:4
“But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:”

***Notice the two words (compassed) and (round), they are synonymous; one strengthens the other. The back story of this verse is about Lot hosting two Angels, and the locals both (old and young) wanted to have their way with them, but Lot would not budge, so the locals (compassed) his house (round) about. Interestingly enough, we also get words like: around, surround and compass; which are also variations to the word (circle). In summary, neither the word (circle) nor the word (round) are synonymous to the word (ball).

"Out of the three words examined: (ball), (circle), and (round), only two gave a supportive answer. The words (circle) and (round) when combined together amplify the description of the Earth."

​

-May God bless you all.

 

[James Forthwright]

I completely agree with you, Ourforgiveness.com. I greatly admire the works of E.W. Bullinger. According to the scriptures the earth is a flat round, motionless disk set upon pillars. The firmament encloses this marvelous realm with the sun, moon and stars revolving above us while separating the waters above and the waters beneath.

"People gave ear to an upstart astrologer [Copernicus] who strove to show that the earth revolves, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon.... This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us [Joshua 10:13] that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth." --Martin Luther's Tablebook, "Tischreden"

 

[Mike Waters]

You don't have to be a 'verbally inerrant Bible believer' to know that the earth indeed is 'flat'.
All you have to do is the put yourself in a position where you can gaze out across an ocean and observe a ship sailing away from you.
Eventually it will gradually 'drop' until it disappears out of sight by falling off the edge of our flat earth.
The ancient Greek God 'Heracles' (later named 'Hercules') made the discovery when he watched ships sailing east across the atlantic from the Straits of Gibraltar. He even built two towers; to become known as 'The Pillars of Hercules', to warn sailors against the dangers involved in attempting the same voyage.

 

[Mike Waters]

'Google search' is full of Bullinger and The Flat Earth Zetetic Society in which he was a leading light.

See 'A Documented Flat Earther - WordPress.com'
"E. W. Bullinger, D.D presided over the flat-earth meeting at Exeter Hall in London. (the same hall where his Trinitarian Bible Society was formed)".

Also this extract from ‘The Universal Zetetic Flat Earth Society’

"Flat-earther Ethelbert William Bullinger was a leading Dispensationalist theoretician, though his views are perhaps more influential among modern fundamentalists than they were among his fellow Zetetics.
THE EARTH—Not a Globe—REVIEW is deserving of special notice by Scientists and Astronomers.
It’s contents are both convincing in evidence and logical in conclusion. The philosophical reader of such a work is brought face to face with proof and deep investigation of all that scientists and theologians have advanced, and with a plausible argument showing that the earth is not a globe. Bullinger’s journal 'Things to Come' was also influential in this respect."

 

[James Forthwright]

The dropping off of ships at the horizon is simply explained by the limitations of our vision. Add a zoom lens and the ship miraculously reappears on this flat, motionless earth plane. It's merely an optical illusion, just as the apparent convergence of distant railroad tracks.

 

[Enoch111]

May God open the eyes of 'plenary biblical fundamentalism'.

Biblical fundamentalism rejects both the Flat Earth as well as the Gap Theory. If the earth were indeed flat, there could be no day/night cycle. As to the Gap Theory, the Ten Commandments debunk that.

 

[Enoch111]

"Flat-earther Ethelbert William Bullinger was a leading Dispensationalist theoretician

Bullinger was a Hyper- or Ultra-Dispensationalist. Not recognized by true Dispensationalists because of his false doctrines.

 

[Scoot]

I certainly hope the earth is a globe, because God has removed my transgressions as far as the East is from the West. (Psalms 103:1).

If the earth is a globe, then this is eternal. If it's flat - then I guess my sins will be within a limited distance from me for eternity.

From a non-biblical point of view - to me it's easy to prove the world is round for yourselves without needing to trust in anyone else - with the use of mountain peaks. If you know the height of mountain ranges, and two are higher than one that is between them, but you can't see the third because it's below the peak of the second (smaller mountain range) - the only way that the second mountain range can hide the third if the third is taller, is if the third is further 'around' a globe.

As for the bible saying it was flat - wasn't this an error in translation because when it was translated to English, the translators didn't trust in scripture but rather 'knew' the world was flat, and therefore in their 'wisdom' translated it accordingly? There could be a lesson in this for all of us - to trust that God means what He says, and says what He means, and doesn't need our wisdom to 'edit' or 'correct' the original scriptures.

 

[James Forthwright]

Biblical fundamentalism rejects both the Flat Earth as well as the Gap Theory. If the earth were indeed flat, there could be no day/night cycle. As to the Gap Theory, the Ten Commandments debunk that.

Bullinger's theology (as well as Biblical fundamentalism) may have its faults but Bullinger's stance on the physical aspects of this earthly realm was IMO correct.

Regarding your day/night cycle argument, this could be explained by having the sun located much closer in the firmament and merely going further away on its daily circle as it revolves above this Flat Earth. As even a bright lighthouse beacon fades away as the distance of a ship is increased from the shoreline.

 

[Enoch111]

Regarding your day/night cycle argument, this could be explained by having the sun located much closer in the firmament and merely going further away on its daily circle as it revolves above this Flat Earth. As even a bright lighthouse beacon fades away as the distance of a ship is increased from the shoreline.

Except that we know that the heavenly bodies do not move in that fashion.

 

[James Forthwright]

Except that we know that the heavenly bodies do not move in that fashion.

"NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant globe spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged "Big Bang" cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That's a grand total of 670,568,000 mph in several different directions we're all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously." --Don't Sphere The Truth

Yet, we don't experience any motion whatsoever and take the word of scientists over the Word of God.

 

[Mike Waters]

I conclude from the last that seven posts that God wants us to give each other the benefit of sincerity, even if that precludes the possibility of universal agreement.
I further conclude that God wants us each to trust Him without question, and oversees our questioning at the expense of trust, with great benevolence.
For my part I 'trust' that one day I shall see Him, and that when that day comes I shall finally 'Know' even as I am known.
Meantime I believe that until the day comes when we finally meet Christ face to face, we can only 'see' "As through a glass darkly "

 

[Sabertooth]

The earth is still global?
So current space exploration photos show once again that the earth is global.

As a concession, it is flat on the weekends...

And yet some still accord great credibility to eminent 20th century fundamentalist theologians, including such as Dr E W Bullinger, who promoted the 'Gap Theory' in support of their conviction that "the earth is flat because the bible says so".
May God open the eyes of 'plenary biblical fundamentalism'.

I subscribe to Kenotaxy (a.k.a. Dormant Gap) it is a slight variation of YEC.

 

[James Forthwright]

I'll close this investigation with a quote from one of Bullinger's best known works:

"Instead of making the Bible agree with science, science must agree with the Bible. If it does not, it is
only because it is 'science falsely so-called,' and not real science. Scientia is the Latin word for
knowledge. Whereas very much of what goes by the name of 'science' to-day is not science at all. It is
only hypothesis! Read man's books on this so-called science, and you will get tired of the never-ending
repetition of such words as 'hypothesis,' 'conjecture,' 'supposition,' etc., etc. This is the reason that such
theories, which are falsely dignified by the name of science, are constantly changing. We talk of the
'Science of Geology,' or of 'Medical Science'; but read books on geology or medicine, for example,
written fifty years ago, and you will find that they are now quite 'out of date.'

But truth cannot change.
Truth will never be 'out of date.' What we know can never alter! This of itself proves that the word
"Science" is wrongly used when it is applied only to hypotheses, which are merely invented to explain
certain phenomena. It is not for such theories that we are going to give up facts. It is not for conjectures
that we are going to abandon truth." —E. W. Bullinger (Number in Scripture, p. 103)

 

[Mike Waters]

"NASA and modern astronomy say the Earth is a giant globe spinning 1,000 mph around its central axis, traveling 67,000 mph circles around the Sun, spiraling 500,000 mph around the Milky Way, while the entire galaxy rockets a ridiculous 670,000,000 mph through the Universe, with all of these motions originating from an alleged "Big Bang" cosmogenic explosion 14 billion years ago. That's a grand total of 670,568,000 mph in several different directions we're all supposedly speeding along at simultaneously." --Don't Sphere The Truth

Yet, we don't experience any motion whatsoever and take the word of scientists over the Word of God.

And I'll keep the investigation open by pointing out that Heracles, the ancient Greek god, took neither the word of NASA, modern astrology, scientists, or the subsequently written Word of God, in not "Sphering The Truth" (I wonder from which denomination, sect, or cult that 'gem' derives).

 

[mjrhealth]

So current space exploration photos show once again that the earth is global.
And yet some still accord great credibility to eminent 20th century fundamentalist theologians, including such as Dr E W Bullinger, who promoted the 'Gap Theory' in support of their conviction that "the earth is flat because the bible says so".
May God open the eyes of 'plenary biblical fundamentalism'.

I still have yet to see a place where the bible said that.

 

[Sabertooth]

But truth cannot change.

Truth, at its core, does not change but the whole point sanctification is that we are constantly being realigned with the image of Christ [1 John 3:2].

"Beloved, now we are children of God;

and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be,
but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him,
for we shall see Him as He is."​

We are in a state of transition, so we do not grasp absolute Truth at this time [1 Corinthians 13:12]. Language & translation are fragile in our current state. God's Word remains true, but we don't always have the correct understanding of its context right now.

"For now we see in a mirror, dimly,

but then face to face.​

Now I know in part,

but then I shall know just as I also am known."​