The end of believing as we know it.

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We are at a junction point that our beliefs and the want for believing must end. Our beliefs can not amend or fix what the facts are telling us. We can remain stubbornly fixed to our personal beliefs and continue accepting the reality that our assumptions about what's true must remain the same.

But I'm sure you've seen enough now to know that believing is getting us nowhere.
 

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What are the facts telling us?

And what is Truth?

Lot of changes coming. We are right on the cusp of a new day. And I don't think it will be anything like yesterday but I don't know what it will be.
I do have faith though, that whatever it is it will be better than it was before. At least that is my Hope.

And exactly what is reality? Everyone's perception of their reality is different. WHose to say who's reality is right or wrong.
And if you declare yourself a judge over what is right or wrong then doesn't that just return to a belief pattern?

what is reality? What is Truth?

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What are the facts telling us?

And what is Truth?

Lot of changes coming. We are right on the cusp of a new day. And I don't think it will be anything like yesterday but I don't know what it will be.
I do have faith though, that whatever it is it will be better than it was before. At least that is my Hope.

And exactly what is reality? Everyone's perception of their reality is different. WHose to say who's reality is right or wrong.
And if you declare yourself a judge over what is right or wrong then doesn't that just return to a belief pattern?

what is reality? What is Truth?

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According to the television show X-Files "The truth is out there" Where Fox Mulder? Where?

Personally I think that a big part of life is wrapped up in our curiosity to discover new knowledge and learn new things. There's an episode of Futurama about Professor Farnsworth discovering all that could be known and soon after becoming depressed, because there was nothing left for him to know. In the end it was Phillip J Fry who suggests to the Professor why do you know everything. Which set the professor off to discover the meaning behind why do I know everything.
 
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What are the facts telling us?

And what is Truth?

Lot of changes coming. We are right on the cusp of a new day. And I don't think it will be anything like yesterday but I don't know what it will be.
I do have faith though, that whatever it is it will be better than it was before. At least that is my Hope.

And exactly what is reality? Everyone's perception of their reality is different. WHose to say who's reality is right or wrong.
And if you declare yourself a judge over what is right or wrong then doesn't that just return to a belief pattern?

what is reality? What is Truth?

Hugs

You're here. You exist. Your creation and existence is the result of your (our) Heavenly Father thinking of you and then creating you. Why did God create you? I believe it's because God has special plans for you in his Kingdom. But for now, I believe, you are being molded, refined, and prepared for your special and unique role.
 
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But I'm sure you've seen enough now to know that believing is getting us nowhere.
Actually, what I've seen is exactly opposite this. Are you sure it's not a matter of believing what is true? Will that go nowhere?

I mean, you have a set of beliefs now that you live by, right? So if you aren't going where you want to go, may it be that your current beliefs may need revision?

I know I've revised my beliefs at various times in my post, even recently. But I've found that as my beliefs have become what I consider more refined, that my life progresses exactly as I'd like it to.

May I ask, what do you believe about life, the universe, and everything?

Much love!
 

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We are at a junction point that our beliefs and the want for believing must end. Our beliefs can not amend or fix what the facts are telling us. We can remain stubbornly fixed to our personal beliefs and continue accepting the reality that our assumptions about what's true must remain the same.

But I'm sure you've seen enough now to know that believing is getting us nowhere.
Until the end the blind will not see.

Many believe, but nonetheless the truth is known by some (of which I am one)--for they have seen it.
 

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Until the end the blind will not see.

Many believe, but nonetheless the truth is known by some (of which I am one)--for they have seen it.

Really. Can I buy one of those lottery tickets where we can know the outcome while still standing on a banana skin.
 

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Then why did you make this claim?

Many believe, but nonetheless the truth is known by some (of which I am one)--for they have seen it.

Because of this statement, I thought that you were the seller of the eternity lottery tickets because you had some special secret knowledge that others were not capable of understanding or comprehending.
 
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Until the end the blind will not see.

Many believe, but nonetheless the truth is known by some (of which I am one)--for they have seen it.
It is believing that's our problem. Even Christian's are in conflict between one type of believing over another type. Why would so many Christian's be divided in their beliefs of truth? You obviously see nothing wrong with your belief truth, and neither do those other Christian believer's who believe you have it wrong.
 

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Living for a set of beliefs is rampant today. More than any other day in the history of our civilization. For those of you who are getting to understand this problem with us; beware that religion isn't the only institution that wield a belief based system.
 

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It is believing that's our problem. Even Christian's are in conflict between one type of believing over another type. Why would so many Christian's be divided in their beliefs of truth? You obviously see nothing wrong with your belief truth, and neither do those other Christian believer's who believe you have it wrong.
Allow me to clarify: I am one who DOES NOT "BELIEVE" what is possibly true, because I "know" what is true. There is a difference. Which is something God has done with some, a few, down through all of recorded history. This is not a claim on my part, but a witness: He revealed Himself to me, and guides me.

As for Christians having conflict about what they "believe", that is God's doing. Before the world began His plan was to divide the good from the evil, just as in the beginning He divided the light from the darkness. He has made manifest what was before the foundation of the world, and revealed it--hid it in plain sight--for those who, within their makeup--would have eyes to see it. What we all once were, whether good or evil, we now walk out--everything good and evil is exposed--as evidence for all to see. Then comes His Judgement.

The purpose of divided beliefs among Christians, is because we too are being exposed--divided--the good from the evil. But also, because we each have a purpose--a job to do in His rebuilding of all things--that by doing, we become part of Him by our actions. He has put feet to every purpose and person. In this way, we--the good and the evil--all do what we do according to what we are and shall be for eternity following this short lifetime. Wherein, He has placed a caveat--that whoever wishes to change, can change by their own freewill. Which cannot be done halfheartedly, by His insistence.

Again, this is not what I "believe", but is what I have been given to say--His words--not mine.
 

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Allow me to clarify: I am one who DOES NOT "BELIEVE" what is possibly true, because I "know" what is true. There is a difference. Which is something God has done with some, a few, down through all of recorded history. This is not a claim on my part, but a witness: He revealed Himself to me, and guides me.

As for Christians having conflict about what they "believe", that is God's doing. Before the world began His plan was to divide the good from the evil, just as in the beginning He divided the light from the darkness. He has made manifest what was before the foundation of the world, and revealed it--hid it in plain sight--for those who, within their makeup--would have eyes to see it. What we all once were, whether good or evil, we now walk out--everything good and evil is exposed--as evidence for all to see. Then comes His Judgement.

The purpose of divided beliefs among Christians, is because we too are being exposed--divided--the good from the evil. But also, because we each have a purpose--a job to do in His rebuilding of all things--that by doing, we become part of Him by our actions. He has put feet to every purpose and person. In this way, we--the good and the evil--all do what we do according to what we are and shall be for eternity following this short lifetime. Wherein, He has placed a caveat--that whoever wishes to change, can change by their own freewill. Which cannot be done halfheartedly, by His insistence.

Again, this is not what I "believe", but is what I have been given to say--His words--not mine.
What killed Charlie Kirk?
Someone with opposing beliefs.
 

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According to the television show X-Files "The truth is out there" Where Fox Mulder? Where?

Personally I think that a big part of life is wrapped up in our curiosity to discover new knowledge and learn new things. There's an episode of Futurama about Professor Farnsworth discovering all that could be known and soon after becoming depressed, because there was nothing left for him to know. In the end it was Phillip J Fry who suggests to the Professor why do you know everything. Which set the professor off to discover the meaning behind why do I know everything.

A very wise man once said;
11 The words of the wise are like goads, and masters of these collections are like driven nails; they are given by one Shepherd. 12 But beyond this, my son, be warned: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive study is wearying to the body.

13 The conclusion, when everything has been heard, is fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. 14 For God will bring every act to judgment, everything that is hidden, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiasties 12
 
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I have seen Jesus or God doesn't mean that I know the truth.
Someone say they know the truth that doesn't mean he has seen Jesus or God.

Just because I have seen UFO doesn't mean I know the truth.
 
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What killed Charlie Kirk?
Someone with opposing beliefs.
So?

This is a fallen world where there is both good and evil. Charlie died believing what is good. But [all] die.

It is as I said: We all are just walking out who we are at our core--exposed as evidence. Then comes the Judgement.