The End of the Mosaic Age

[ewq1938]

No substance here ewq! You can plead all you like the Scripture is 100% fool proof - a 8 year old Sunday school class could understand it.
What it proves to me is the degree of deception, which one must accept is illogical and confounding!
Also, you are yet to show any humility being shown to be wrong this usually follows with some form of admission.
The above is just poor form.
F2F

*yawn*, typical empty words.

 

[face2face]

*yawn*, typical empty words.

I get your response - you just run out of credibility.

 

[ewq1938]

I get your response - you just run out of credibility.

And you did not run out of personal insults in post 18.

 

[face2face]

And you did not run out of personal insults in post 18.

No just calling it as it is - under the Law an nonredeemable donkey had its neck broken. You know what is true but you harden your heart.
Why continue to post if this is your spirit?

 

[ewq1938]

No just calling it as it is

Try doing it without the personal attacks. It's a better look.

 

[face2face]

Try doing it without the personal attacks. It's a better look.

It's a gentle rebuke unheeded.

 

[APAK]

Thanks Apak, always value your contribution / insight.
Do you know the greatest irony about this study and the Futurist position is found in Matthew 24:4. It's crazy I know! how they cannot piece this very simple text together and heed the warning, which if you were the disciples would carry no meaning at all if its all 200 years, let alone 2000+ years away.
It's also revealing of what else they have wrong if these simple things are hidden form them.
F2F

Yes, it would have no meaning even after 100 years of these words being spoken. Although,.....

It's no coincidence that today we do see similar thoughts and ideas and activities told in the OD and others words spoken by Jesus of future events. In fact every generation has had a bout of this human failed condition always surrounded by evil that attempts to control and squelch the lord's work. The goal has always been to kill off the lord's work and the notion that out Father God ever existed.

Today we do have greater evil amassing in the trenches on a much larger scale as when the Romans conquered the physical city of Jerusalem, the symbol of the official death of the Mosaic Law. Although to make these current trends of today and increasingly tomorrow the only meaning of the OD is a huge mistake. It might make an immature and fence-sitting professing Christian all warm and smug inside, although they better get off the fence and disperse with all their large party friends as they will soon be picked off one by one by evil and cunning sharpshooters who will test their metal, courage and wisdom.

When Christ 'returns' it will be when evil and humanity will be at their worse, ready to annihilate and savagely depopulate the human race in many ways.

It will eventually go South for these godless globalists, the Satanists, cults, elites, the workers of evil, they will lose their grip of the masses they pretend to control, and all heck will break loose.

On earth, will there be a strong and thriving faith in the true God and his Son in that Day...very little indeed I'm afraid!

 

[Timtofly]

Timtofly has acknowledged AD70 as the destruction of the Temple and the End of the Mosaic age

Actually, I don't.

70AD was never mentioned in Scripture. It could have been any year after 30AD. When the temple was destroyed is of no importance. It was left desolate at the Cross.

Talking about 70AD is pointless. Did the fulness of the Gentiles begin in 70AD? Was Paul converted after 70AD? Was Stephen killed after 70AD?

You would never even have heard of 70AD unless some extra biblical source had not recorded it. All Gabriel said to Daniel was that his own people would one day destroy the Temple. Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed keeping to that point made by Gabriel. No Scripture states when the Temple was destroyed. It could have been destroyed in 1776 for all that matters.

No verse states some foreign nation would destroy the Temple nor was any foreign nation ever mentioned in conjunction to the destruction.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.... and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

Nothing about being destroyed, just that it will be desolate, and once again the home of the Gentiles.

Many here get run out of town for inserting the local news into prophecy. Yet some persist, even though a few millennia too late, in doing the same thing and inserting the "news headlines" into Scripture.

The Cross was prophecied and fulfilled. Gabriel said Daniel's people would destroy their own city and temple and they did. One was written down as fulfilled. The other was not. One was important to God's plan, the other was not. One was punishment and judgment for the sin of all mankind. The other was punishment for a rebellious people.

One was the fulfillment of God's Law as directed by Moses. The other was not.

 

[APAK]

Actually, I don't.

70AD was never mentioned in Scripture. It could have been any year after 30AD. When the temple was destroyed is of no importance. It was left desolate at the Cross.

Talking about 70AD is pointless. Did the fulness of the Gentiles begin in 70AD? Was Paul converted after 70AD? Was Stephen killed after 70AD?

You would never even have heard of 70AD unless some extra biblical source had not recorded it. All Gabriel said to Daniel was that his own people would one day destroy the Temple. Jesus said the Temple would be destroyed keeping to that point made by Gabriel. No Scripture states when the Temple was destroyed. It could have been destroyed in 1776 for all that matters.

No verse states some foreign nation would destroy the Temple nor was any foreign nation ever mentioned in conjunction to the destruction.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.... and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

Nothing about being destroyed, just that it will be desolate, and once again the home of the Gentiles.

Many here get run out of town for inserting the local news into prophecy. Yet some persist, even though a few millennia too late, in doing the same thing and inserting the "news headlines" into Scripture.

The Cross was prophecied and fulfilled. Gabriel said Daniel's people would destroy their own city and temple and they did. One was written down as fulfilled. The other was not. One was important to God's plan, the other was not. One was punishment and judgment for the sin of all mankind. The other was punishment for a rebellious people.

One was the fulfillment of God's Law as directed by Moses. The other was not.

Well I do not want to take the thunder from the OP and thread owner F2F, although I would not diminish the significance of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in the same generation when Christ spoke his pertinent words on the subject. It was the right time and no other time for it to occur. It was perfect if you considered 'all' the variables and as history records its activities.

There had to be a reason for the dispersion of genuine Jewish Christians out of the area away from Jerusalem AT THAT TIME and not in the distant future. They had to flee as the remaining and LAST remnant of God before the Destruction.

There had to be the physical slaughter of all non-believers in Christ and many were left alive only to be deported as slaves and foreigners within the nations totalling about 90 percent of the entire Jew population gone, gone physically out of Palestine in order for the Mosaic Law to be officially terminated and then really impossible to be restarted in the future. Done by holy design and the word of God.

Secondly, have you really relooked as the common misapplied and misunderstood expression 'when the fullness of gentiles come in...' concerning the foreign nations (Latinized and into English unfortunately, for gentiles, instead of Greek: ethnos for nations or foreigners or heather etc). The foreign nations actually set foot in Palestine and especially in Jerusalem and in even in the Temple - 66-70AD.

You know that the Roman armies mostly comprised of all foreign nations that the Romans conquered, either as slaves or paid conscripts.

They were many nations and they certainty were at the walls of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Again, there really was no other time because it was THE RIGHT TIME, and not in some distant future.

You know the language and the idioms used in scripture must match the context and in this case the local thought or mindset, and the current surroundings of the 1st century folk. Not to force it to mean a modern alien meaning for this expression that those in the 1st century would clearly scratch their heads at.

So the 'fullness' of the gentiles already 'came in' and 'the abomination for/of desolation' were signified by the presence of the Roman armies and the fullness of the gentiles within their ranks with their Roman pagan gods banners and staffs that meant certain destruction of the all the city buildings...THIS WAS THE RIGHT TIME..ordained by God...70AD is of utmost importance.

And then the fleeing smaller groups of Jews clinging onto their Mosaic Law would be forced to stay hidden and many would assimilate into the nations for good, for all future generations, undistinguished from a Greek or a Jew, not to be of any special person or purpose again in the eyes of God. Only to become a Christians in the nations as so ordained by God.

Something to consider aye?

 

[Timtofly]

Firstly, Jesus has not yet received the Revelation from His Father, so all of the future Historical Events contained therein are totally unknown to him. He had yet to ascended to Heaven to receive this information.

For one who thinks they have it altogether, why make stuff up? As the Son of Man Jesus has limited knowledge. As God, Jesus would know everything.

Food for thought:

"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

If Jesus did not have the mind of God, even not seeing it as robbery, how can we have the mind of Christ? We don't think being of God's mind as robbery. We would just be overwhelmed by the entirety of creation.

You still imply this notion, that Jesus was not God, until after the Cross. Now you denote that in several ways, perhaps not even realizing. You cannot say all the Revelation was withheld. The last time I pointed it out was when you stated Jesus had to die, before He had a permanent incorruptible physical body. Luke 10:22

"All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him."

John 14:11

"Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

 

[Timtofly]

Well I do not want to take the thunder from the OP and thread owner F2F, although I would not diminish the significance of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in the same generation when Christ spoke his pertinent words on the subject. It was the right time and no other time for it to occur. It was perfect if you considered 'all' the variables and as history records its activities.

There had to be a reason for the dispersion of genuine Jewish Christians out of the area away from Jerusalem AT THAT TIME and not in the distant future. They had to flee as the remaining and LAST remnant of God before the Destruction.

There had to be the physical slaughter of all non-believers in Christ and many were left alive only to be deported as slaves and foreigners within the nations totalling about 90 percent of the entire Jew population gone, gone physically out of Palestine in order for the Mosaic Law to be officially terminated and then really impossible to be restarted in the future. Done by holy design and the word of God.

Secondly, have you really relooked as the common misapplied and misunderstood expression 'when the fullness of gentiles come in...' concerning the foreign nations (Latinized and into English unfortunately, for gentiles, instead of Greek: ethnos for nations or foreigners or heather etc). The foreign nations actually set foot in Palestine and especially in Jerusalem and in even in the Temple - 66-70AD.

You know that the Roman armies mostly comprised of all foreign nations that the Romans conquered, either as slaves or paid conscripts.

They were many nations and they certainty were at the walls of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Again, there really was no other time because it was THE RIGHT TIME, and not in some distant future.

You know the language and the idioms used in scripture must match the context and in this case the local thought or mindset, and the current surroundings of the 1st century folk. Not to force it to mean a modern alien meaning for this expression that those in the 1st century would clearly scratch their heads at.

So the 'fullness' of the gentiles already 'came in' and 'the abomination for/of desolation' were signified by the presence of the Roman armies and the fullness of the gentiles within their ranks with their Roman pagan gods banners and staffs that meant certain destruction of the all the city buildings...THIS WAS THE RIGHT TIME..ordained by God...70AD is of utmost importance.

And then the fleeing smaller groups of Jews clinging onto their Mosaic Law would be forced to stay hidden and many would assimilate into the nations for good, for all future generations, undistinguished from a Greek or a Jew, not to be of any special person or purpose again in the eyes of God. Only to become a Christians in the nations as so ordained by God.

Something to consider aye?

Only that your explanation is already 50 years behind times. Your explanation was already fulfilled when Jesus was walking around on the earth.

Kind of curious though, you don't consider yourself still under the fulness of the Gentiles? The 4th kingdom was not even fulfilled. The 5th kingdom was not even started nor dead in the first century. Yet you seem to want the Olivet Discourse fulfilled before the rest of Scripture?

 

[face2face]

For one who thinks they have it altogether, why make stuff up? As the Son of Man Jesus has limited knowledge. As God, Jesus would know everything.

It's a certain reality about the relationship between God and Christ which you lack. To start with he learned his knowledge as a child like all God's children. He was revealed certain things which pertained to his ministry and probation. Revelation 1:1 provides you the order! Also, this “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, BUT only the Father. (I suggest there are still things the Father does not tell the Son!

You just don't have all the information about their relationship, because someone taught you lies and you adopted them as truth...even when someone proves otherwise...you hold tight, being convinced its truth...I've been showing you these truths for weeks, but like car tracks on a dirt road, your mind just falls into them!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Back to Matthew 24:4

And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray"

The greater need was to watch self, keeping a clear perception.

Nb personal warnings:

“troubled”/"are not alarmed" verse 6
“offended” / "hate one another" verse 10
“love grow cold” verse 12

When you study the period leading up to the fall of Jerusalem, it was a time of great confusion. Families were split in half; some Christian fleeing to Pella while others forced to remain in the Holy City. It was a "Lot and is family" type situation! Stay and perish, or leave and survive. Never had the message of Jesus bringing sword over peace, more keenly felt than in those four proceeding years leading up to AD70.

Of course, there is a present day warning / encouragement, though not to flee, but to guard ourselves against being unnecessarily alarmed, not to hate or allow our love to grow cold.

F2F

 

[APAK]

Only that your explanation is already 50 years behind times. Your explanation was already fulfilled when Jesus was walking around on the earth.

Kind of curious though, you don't consider yourself still under the fulness of the Gentiles? The 4th kingdom was not even fulfilled. The 5th kingdom was not even started nor dead in the first century. Yet you seem to want the Olivet Discourse fulfilled before the rest of Scripture?

Well you apparently view these prophetic scriptures as in the expression 'the 'fulness' of the so-called 'gentiles' as something of a current and future event linked with destruction. Yes it is to do with destruction indeed, and it already happened.

This type of view of yours and many others is based on modern-day interpretations you have picked up as part of a set of hypotheses as some nifty ideas from modern day religious philosophers using a non-scriptural basis for truth. They have added in their own opinions in with scripture from the OT and NT to kluge or force pieces of a prophetic jig-saw puzzle together. It looks like the work of a child.

You believe that I'm STILL UNDER these 'fullness' of nations or 'foreign' people today. You must see this type of understanding is meaningless and does not make any sense to me at all. This expression as I said before was meant for the time of the generation of Christ only, and especially 66-70AD. It happened already and AFTER Christ ascended...

 

[rwb]

Matthew 24:3 As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, (previous discourse) and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

So the Lord and the disciples are sitting on the Mount of Olives looking over a spectacular view of the city in the setting sun - snowy marble topped by golden spikes on the roof of the Holy Place.

Take perticualar notice of the word "privately!"

If we look at Mark 13:3

3 And as he sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple (@ewq1938 ), Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

So we have the Lord Jesus Christ sitting opposite the temple just having rebuke the religous authourities for their hypocrisy and having given his judgements of the temple being destroyed.

The two sets of brothers come to Jesus with a very sensitive question, as this became a chief charge against the Lord later.

Matthew 26:61 - and said, “This man said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to rebuild it in three days
Acts 6:13-14 for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and will change the customs that Moses delivered to us.”

So the question of the Disciples relates to this:

1. Distruction of the Temple
2. The end of the age (Mosiac age)

The connection between the discourse at the Temple and that on the Mount of Olives is one and the same. The private enquiry of the 4 related to what the Lord had been teaching previously.

The Word of God is very carefully written so we must be careful not to force the false teaching of futurist interprations on the Word.

(Just a note for those who respond; please talk to the content of the post you are contending with rather that running away to unrelated Scripture)

Thanks
F2F

I see the need for Christ to answer three questions: (1) when will these things be (destruction of the city and temple) (2) what is the sign of your coming (3) and the end of the world.

1. Literally fulfilled in AD 70. Historical record bears this out.

2. Spiritually fulfilled through the Spirit of Christ in you as the spiritual Kingdom of God is being built.

John 14:18 (KJV) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Romans 8:10 (KJV) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

3. Future coming at the end of this age when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, and Christ returns to gather His Church.

 

[face2face]

I see the need for Christ to answer three questions: (1) when will these things be (destruction of the city and temple) (2) what is the sign of your coming (3) and the end of the world.

1. Literally fulfilled in AD 70. Historical record bears this out.

2. Spiritually fulfilled through the Spirit of Christ in you as the spiritual Kingdom of God is being built.

John 14:18 (KJV) I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Romans 8:10 (KJV) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

3. Future coming at the end of this age when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, and Christ returns to gather His Church.

Do your 3 points take into consideration the coming Christ, which the disciples were in expectation of him overthrowing the Romans and establishing the Kingdom of Israel "now!"

Acts 1:6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”

What the disciples knew and understood from previous teachings of the Lord is that God had selected Israel to manifest His dominion on earth and this will be accomplished through the restoration of the nation to a faithfulness never before achieved (Exodus 11:19-20)

And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 21 But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I will bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord God.”

While I am not discounting secondary fulfillment's the problem with forum members here is the fact that God is not done with natural Israel - The arrogant Christian believes "its all about them" at the second coming of the Lord - it is NOT! - the humble learned Christian will be a servant to bring about God's mighty judgements on the Nations who have cursed His people down through the ages.

As I keep repeating - Revelation 16 is our Olivet Prophecy! and so few do not understand whats' coming upon the earth. Another study - for now we need to continue the Lord's answer to the disciples questions as you rightly put in points 1,2,3 - the end of which brings a lengthy age of Law to an end.

Also, God doesn't fail to bring about His will - the blue text will become a reality.

F2F

 

[rwb]

Do your 3 points take into consideration the coming Christ, which the disciples were in expectation of him overthrowing the Romans and establishing the Kingdom of Israel "now!"

Acts 1:6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”

What the disciples knew and understood from previous teachings of the Lord is that God had selected Israel to manifest His dominion on earth and this will be accomplished through the restoration of the nation to a faithfulness never before achieved (Exodus 11:19-20)

And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 21 But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I will bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord God.”

While I am not discounting secondary fulfillment's the problem with forum members here is the fact that God is not done with natural Israel - The arrogant Christian believes "its all about them" at the second coming of the Lord - it is NOT! - the humble learned Christian will be a servant to bring about God's mighty judgements on the Nations who have cursed His people down through the ages.

As I keep repeating - Revelation 16 is our Olivet Prophecy! and so few do not understand whats' coming upon the earth. Another study - for now we need to continue the Lord's answer to the disciples questions as you rightly put in points 1,2,3 - the end of which brings a lengthy age of Law to an end.

Also, God doesn't fail to bring about His will - the blue text will become a reality.

F2F

The prophesy in Ezekiel 11:19-20 (KJV) And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh. 20 (KJV) That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Fulfilled with the advent of Christ coming to earth a man to establish a New Covenant, a better Covenant, finding fault with the Old it vanished away.

Acts 4:31-32 (KJV) And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

Hebrews 8:6-13 (KJV) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

With the advent of Christ coming to earth a man, the wall of separation between Jew and Gentile is removed. There is no longer Jew or Gentile, but one people of faith. It's not about national Israel, nor is it about Gentile Christians. The prophesy is fulfilled for all people of faith in Christ, who are neither Jew nor Gentile but "Israel of God."

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[face2face]

“It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

With the advent of Christ coming to earth a man, the wall of separation between Jew and Gentile is removed. There is no longer Jew or Gentile, but one people of faith. It's not about national Israel, nor is it about Gentile Christians. The prophesy is fulfilled for all people of faith in Christ, who are neither Jew nor Gentile but "Israel of God."

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Correct, as stated the work of bringing in the refined Jews into the New Covenant is the work considered for the Saints of God at the return of Christ to the earth. The Kingdoms nucleus will be Israel first....all Israel is the destination!

 

[rwb]

“It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”


Correct, as stated the work of bringing in the refined Jews into the New Covenant is the work considered for the Saints of God at the return of Christ to the earth. The Kingdoms nucleus will be Israel first....all Israel is the destination!

If men/women do not come into the spiritual Kingdom of God under the New Covenant during this age as the Gospel is proclaimed in the power of the Holy Spirit, then they shall be among "the Dead" who shall be judged and have part in the lake of fire that is the second death. This is the age of grace; the time is NOW for which people MUST be saved. This time has an end, and that's when the seventh angel begins to sound, and time given mankind to be saved shall be no more.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Once time for building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven has expired, the only time remaining for this earth is Satan's little season. That will be a time for destroying as Satan with Gog (antichrists) and Magog (antichristians) gather together attempting to destroy saints still alive on this earth, but instead the saints will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and fire from God shall come down from heaven to burn up everything still alive upon this earth. Then there shall be a new heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness.

All Israel that shall be saved is not an ethnic people, but a spiritual people from every nation, tribe, kindred and tongue throughout the whole earth. All Israel that is saved is saved AFTER Gentiles are grafted into the same good olive tree with them. How can "all Israel that shall be saved" be an ethnic people since Gentiles shall complete them?

Romans 11:25-27 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

All people of faith are of the Seed (Christ) of Jacob, and they are "all Israel" to be saved by the Deliverer Who comes out of Sion. The New Covenant is with them. Not an ethnic people, but ALL people of faith whether Jew or Gentile. For Christ shall take away THEIR sins, for they are the "Israel of God."

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

 

[Timtofly]

It's a certain reality about the relationship between God and Christ which you lack. To start with he learned his knowledge as a child like all God's children. He was revealed certain things which pertained to his ministry and probation. Revelation 1:1 provides you the order! Also, this “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, BUT only the Father. (I suggest there are still things the Father does not tell the Son!

You just don't have all the information about their relationship, because someone taught you lies and you adopted them as truth...even when someone proves otherwise...you hold tight, being convinced its truth...I've been showing you these truths for weeks, but like car tracks on a dirt road, your mind just falls into them!

F2F

You have been showing your opinion for weeks. When I provide Scripture, you have rejected it. You have not once accepted that Jesus is God.

What is that day or hour that Jesus is referring to, any way? When you say "there are still things", what other things besides the day or the hour of what?


This was the question:

"Tell us, when shall these things be?"

So your point is that Jesus did not know when 70AD would happen, but now you do?

When Jesus said it is finished, what was finished, as you think it was not finished for another 40 years?

You do realize that you don't know more about Jesus and God than what is right there in Scripture. Unless you are claiming to be a modern day prophet with new Revelation from God.