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Featured The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

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  1. Hobie

    Hobie Active Member

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    There is not one verse in the entire Bible says their a 7-year Tribulation. Some try to claim Daniel 9:24-27 as teaching this, but unless one comes to this passage already having a predisposed bias, they will not find it there. This false idea is not scriptural and no biblical commentator, no theologian, no church in Christendom had ever taught such a doctrine. The doctrine basically did not exist before John Darby, and was promoted through the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 20th century. The idea or doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation is simply not mentioned in Daniel 9. Here is a great explanation by my buddy palehorse..'There are many theories out there in regards to the 70th Week of the Daniel 9 prophecy. The most prevalent one talks about a 7-year tribulation just prior to Christ's second coming. Many believers in the 7-year Tribulation don't know that this belief is rooted in the Daniel 9 prophecy. In fact, one of the most important verses used to support this idea is Dan 9:27, which we will look at along with the entire prophecy. Also, it is from Dan 9:27 that the belief in "The Antichrist" and the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple on the temple mount comes from. The series of events outlined in this theory is that 1) there will be a secret rapture that takes all true Christians away leaving others behind, 2) then a 7-year tribulation occurs where those who were not taken in the secret rapture will get a chance to "clean up their act" so that when Christ's public appearance happens they can be judged worthy, 3) during the course of the 7-year tribulation the Antichrist will appear, make a covenant with the Jewish nation, then break that covenant in the middle of the 7 years, then he’ll walk inside the Jewish temple and declare himself to be God. But is this theory biblically accurate? That is just what my essay explores.
     
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    Hobie Active Member

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    First, let’s read through the entire prophecy so that we get the whole idea first and then we’ll break it down.

    Daniel 9
    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    One thing that must be understood first is the “a day for a year” rule established in Eze 4:6. For every day that is mentioned in this and all other biblical prophecies they are equal to a prophetic year. There is virtually no debate about this point in Christian circles and we’ll find that the rule holds true in this prophecy.

    The Timeframe:
    The angel Gabriel starts the prophecy by giving a block of time in verse 24, seventy weeks. Seventy weeks is equal to 490 days, or 490 prophetic years. That is our timeframe for this prophecy from beginning to end.

    Verse 25 tells us when this timeframe begins, “from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem”. When did this occur? See Ezra 7; for this is the command where the rebuilding of Jerusalem was actually accomplished and that command was given by Artaxerxes, king of Persia; which occurred in 457 BC. There were two other kings that made similar commands to rebuild Jerusalem but those proved to not be fruitful.


    This is the total 70-week block given by Gabriel in verses 25 & 27:
    Block 1: 7 Weeks - (49 years) - Starts in 457 BC

    Block 2: 62 Weeks - (434 years) - Starts in 408 BC

    Block 3: 1 week - (7 years) - Starts in 27 AD


    Let’s look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous “Seven-year Tribulation” of the future:

    3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
    o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
    o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross. (New Covenant confirmed.)
    o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.

    So we see that this breakdown perfectly follows the prophecy of Daniel 9 and we find that this prophecy was about the coming Messiah (Jesus Christ); history and later books of the Bible verify this.
     
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    Why do people want to put this last week of the 70 at the end times? There is no biblical reason to do so and it breaks the block of time Gabriel started the prophecy with. Let's ask some further important questions;
    Is the antichrist mentioned anywhere in Daniel 9:24-27? No. The "he" mentioned in verse 27 is Christ, not Antichrist, for Christ is the focus of the whole prophecy. Also, we find that only Christ makes convenants in the Bible. Is there any mention of a rebuilding of the Jewish temple? No. Any mention of sacrifices being restarted? No. Any mention of a covenant being broken? No. In fact verse 27 says the opposite, that the covenant would be confirmed. So why do people believe this ridiculous theory that there will be a 7-year tribulation at the end of the world?

    Here are 10 reasons why the 70th week of Daniel 9 was actually fulfilled by Christ about 2,000 years ago:
    1. Verse 24 defines “Seventy weeks” as a single block of time.
    2. The 70th week must come after the 69th week; else it can’t really be called the 70th week.
    3. It is illogical and unbiblical to move the last week of this prophecy to the end of the world.
    4. The focus of the prophecy is on the Messiah, not the antichrist. “Messiah” and “Christ” means “anointed one” – who was anointed during the last “week” of the prophecy? Jesus Christ!
    5. Verse 27 says a covenant is “confirmed” in the midst of the week, not broken in the midst of the week. Who creates/confirms covenants in the Bible? Christ only! See Romans 15:8 to see that it was Jesus who “confirmed” the promises made unto the fathers, not antichrist.
    6. Verse 27 says “he shall confirm the covenant with many”. Compare this to Matthew 26:28.
    7. Verse 27 says “midst of the week” (3 ½ years) the sacrifices would cease. When Christ died the temple veil was “rent” from top to bottom and the Jewish sacrifices ceased. (see Matt 27:51) This was the mark that signified any further sacrifices were of no effect in the sight of God.
    8. Verse 27 says “he shall make it desolate”. Compare this to Matt 23:38. Who left the temple desolate? Christ!
    9. The first 3 ½ years of the 70th week Christ ministered only to the Jews – the second 3 ½ years the disciples ministered to the Jews; thus the 70th week is finished at this point, 34 AD, not a future time.
    10. The disciple Stephan was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin in 34 AD which caused the Gospel to go to the Gentiles.

    Further, check out Christ’s words in Matthew 18:21. 70x7=490 which is the 490 years of the Daniel 9 prophecy!

    The second Jewish temple (Herod’s temple) was destroyed in 70 AD when Jerusalem was ransacked by the Romans under Prince Titus (see Dan 9:26, you’ll see a “prince shall destroy” = Prince Titus). Compare the “desolation” spoken of in Dan 9:27 to the “desolate” of Matt 23:38 & Matt 24:13-16. This is the very sign, the destruction of Jerusalem, that Christ was warning the disciples about (see Luke 21:20-22).

    Conclusion:
    There is no 7-year Tribulation at the end of the world. That teaching comes from a huge mistake resulting in reading much more into a verse than what is actually there. There will be tribulation at the end but it won’t be 7 years long for it falls outside of the Daniel 9 prophecy.
     
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    So what are the ramifications....This means that there will be no second chance for salvation as many seem to be counting on. The false 7-year tribulation theory undermines the precept of living by faith for even a non-believer would suddenly change his ways after witnessing millions of people all over the world suddenly vanishing in one day.

    Here is a good history of this false doctrine and the reasons behind it...
    https://secretsunsealed.org/content/PDF_downloads/futurismsincrediblejourney.pdf
     
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    There is not one verse that says "Trinity" or "Rapture" in exactly those words. That does not make them false doctrines. So your fundamental premise is false, not the doctrine you claim to be false. Lack of comprehension does not make something false.
     
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    both the trinity and the rapture are false doctrine, that's why they are not in the bible, thank God.

    PICJAG.
     
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    We already know you don't believe simple truths of Scripture so we can't really rely on you for anything.
     
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    What I believe will not change one verse of scripture, so now you used "WE" ... (smile)... lol. oh well. and two when did I say rely on me... (smile)..... lol. as the song say, "It's getting hot in here, make me want to take off all my ??????". well it want help none.... :eek:

    God showed thee what is going to happen, just read about the three Hebrews boys, and the fire was 7 times hot? was they delievered before, during, or after the fiery furnace?. Hosea 12:10 "I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

    who was in those prophets testifying of these things? JESUS the Christ, the only TRUE and LIVING God, the Spirit, who is HOLY. :cool:

    Psalms 110:1 is in effect, and many of the false prophets have no idea. o_O

    PICJAG.
     
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    Says one who promotes heresies at every opportunity.
     
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    2 Timothy 2:16 lol, lol.... say what!.... :eek:

    PICJAG.
     
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    The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation
    ^OP

    Eh Disagree!

    Daniel: gives Prophecy of Days.

    Revelations: give Fulfillment of the Prophecy of Days.

    Secret Rapture? Nothing Secret about it. Rapture is the Lifting UP OF Christ's Church TO Him, excepting them MADE Whole, from the Wrath of The Lamb and the Wrath of God, that Shall commence upon the Earth.

    For: 1,203 days Israel shall be preached to in Jerusalem.
    Rev 11:3

    For: 1,203 days the Jews shall be preached to in the hills outside of the city.
    Rev 12:6

    The days are Precise...
    But a man trying to "calculate" a precise timeframe...LOL...

    There are over 40 calendars worldwide...plus within those calendars, some are lunar calendars, some are solar calendars, some are lunisolar calandars. Some have more or fewer days.

    And the fact Is God never gave a "calendar" to mankind.

    Nor did God intend for mankind to Know the Precise day or hour Christ would Lift Up His Church, and Exact His Great Tribulation and Wrath upon the Earth.

    Humans merely have a general sign of the length of the Great Tribulation and things occurring that length of time.

    A general calculation is the Great Tribulation will last approx. 7 years.

    That is based on Daniels Prophecy and Revelations Revealing of what particular people are doing and for how long.

    Glory To God,
    Taken
     
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    You won't change anyone's mind. BTW the Tribulation period (including the Great Tribulation) is 7 years, but the Great Tribulation would be 3 1/2 years after 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

    How do we arrive at precisely 7 years? From Daniel and Revelation.
     
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    Informative!
     
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    Also informative.
     
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    Informative.
     
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    You didn't mention which calendar was used for the calculations. The Jewish calendar was different to our Gregorian calendar. This may make a difference. If the Jewish calendar was used, the calculations would be more accurate and consistent with the Biblical record. However you may know this already, so I was just sayin'. :)
     
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    I don't concern myself about changing minds.
    All we are suppose to do is speak Gods Word, as you do, and maybe an unknown listener will be sparked with interest and eventually themselves become IN Christ.

    :)
    Glory to God,
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    ... is predicated upon NUMEROUS FALSE pretenses:

    1. The "weeks" are not ALL "sevens". Dan. 9:2 says "years". -- The text is not the USUAL Concise Feminine Gender, it's in the UNUSUAL INCONCISE Masculine Gender. As such, it's analogous to a "vehicle", where it could be car, or a truck, or a motorcycle, or even a bus. And so it's certainly NOT 490, but rather a combination of "years" and "weeks". And this text is NOT found anywhere else in Scripture, with the exception of Dan. 9, -- and is NOT USED in the citation from Dan. 10.

    2. The "seven and sixty-two" is a translator contortion to achieve a "Jesus agenda". Newton observed that there is NO Scriptural precedent or Societal precedent for summing numbers in this fashion. I.e., a pair of shoes does not cost ~seven and sixty-two dollars, -- they cost SIXTY_NINE dollars.

    3. The "going forth of the Word" is NOT from some man-king. It carries the implication of being a Directive from GOD HIMSELF. As such, it's not found in some Nemiah reference, but rather in Prophetic Scripture which is preserved for the "time of the end", which is approximate to 1948.


    Yeah, we can go on and on dissecting how the commentators butchered the Book of Daniel. EVERYTHING they say VIOLATES the angel's instruction in 12:4 & 9, -- so it's a simple process to destroy their lies.


    Bobby Jo
     
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    so hear my take i do believe om the 7 year trib.. but it really doesn't matter how we believe .the rapture the end time events will happen the way God intends . the most important thing is to have your heart ready for when he returns.yes he is coming every eye shall him AND every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Jesus Christ is Lord that is the facts
     
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    Yeah, there are a LOT of things in the Bible I'm just too lazy to digest. I don't think I'm missing anything important, because if it were important I'm quite confident that GOD would have taken the time and effort to put it his HIS Word.


    Need more milk ...
    Bobby Jo
     
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