The False Doctrine of a 7-year Tribulation

[Jay Ross]

The poster you're talking to has said and confirmed to me that (in his belief) we have not been brought into the New Covenant yet. We have not received the New Covenant. It did not come with the death and resurrection of Christ.

He believes that we will be brought into the New Covenant only when we all - Jewish and Gentile believers in Christ - are literally gathered into a literal Israel on this earth - the one which the Jews now inhabit and according to him, occupy illegally because it's "ours" (move over Palestinians, there's a new claim here).

That explains his literalization of all prophecy. Bear in mind that he's in his 80's so when he's rude it's because he no doubt sees all of us as children who need to be corrected.

So you are excusing him because he is old. I too am of an older person, who has spent time looking at the original context of the original texts from which our translations have been generated from. It is my contention that our present translations leave a lot to be desired because of the many contextual errors that exist in our respective translations.

His primary rebuttal is that with so many translations presenting the same story, with respect to the End Times that the contexts of the translations must therefore be correct. However, if we look at the original texts and the meaning of the root words from which the compounded words have been generated, I find that nowhere in the Old Testament that God or the Prophets from Moses up to the last OT prophet speak of the Israelites actually returning to the Land of Canaan when God gathers them to himself. When God gathers the Israelites to Himself, He must with respect to the Abrahamic Covenant leave the Israelites where they have been scattered over the years too, so that they can be a blessing to all of the Nations of the earth.

It is this error, that I must disagree with Keraz's understanding of how the End Times will unfold. The error that Keraz has adopted in his writings of Biblical studies goes all the way back to the Jewish understanding that the "Promised Land" was a forever promise on the part of God whereas the meaning of the Hebrew word translated in Say Genesis 13:12ff with respect to God giving Abraham's descendants the entity of the earth that Abraham had walked upon and seen with his own eyes, has been translated wrongly in that in Genesis 13 the translations clearly indicate that Abraham was given possession of this precise area but Stephan in his presentation to the priest and scribes before he was stoned to death stated, without rebuke from the priests and scribes listening to him, that Abraham had not received any portion of land within the area as described in Genesis 13.

Sadly he has been spruiking this line for many years now and he has difficulty to accept any challenge to his understanding.

Shalom

 

[Taken]

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"General Calculation" from who, nothing precise in that whole statement and need to be more precise at the prophetic time. Lets look at Revelation 11:1-2
1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

“General calculations” is a reference to MEN trying to “pin point” an “unknown” time of the Lords RETURN TO EARTH.

2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

We find two groups of people are mentioned here, “them that worship” and “the Gentiles.” The first group represents God’s true church, spiritual while the second represents a false church that professes to worship God but is not true to him, not hard to figure out who this is. God’s true people are “measured,” or judged, while the others are not. This measurement or judgment is to determine whether those who profess to be Christians are really Christ’s faithful people so He knows who are the ones to be taken to His kingdom at the Second Coming.

“The Holy City” represents God’s true church, also called Jerusalem, and we see in verse 7 its opposite, “the Great City,” or “Babylon", which is this system of false religion or apostate church. This false church is seen to “tread” the true church “underfoot” for “forty and two months.” This refers to the same 1,260 year period of Papal domination seen in Daniel 7 and 8, lets look closely at this.

The Measurement of Gods People, IS People who BELIEVE in their Hearts, IN God. The All knowing God Himself, KNOWS who THEY are. I don’t. I don’t know what every man who has ever been naturally born, has, does, or will Truly Believe in his Heart.

In the beginning and ancient days God Himself divided many things…including PEOPLE.

Those CALLED Gentiles were simply men who never heard, or heard and REJECTED believing IN the Unseen Spirit Creator and Maker of all things, called the Heavenly Almighty God.

Anciently and Historically and even modernly Gentiles created, made and otherwise establish their OWN “gods”… (being whatever they decided, example: the moon, sun, stars, statues, kings, men with power, status, wealth, talents, etc.) And would as individuals choose, acquiesce, follow, believe, bow and worship “their gods”.

Anciently, Historically (even After God SENT JESUS in the flesh likeness as a man FOR men TO SEE and HEAR) and modernly, FEW men have ELECTED to choose, follow, believe, bow and worship the UNSEEN SPIRIT ALMIGHTY Heavenly God.

Every natural born man has the FREEWILL OPTION, to believe as he CHOOSES, as well the OPTION to make a VOW of Commitment to that which he Believes.

“IF” a man CHOOSES to MAKE his Commitment of Belief TO the unseen Heavenly Lord God Almighty…THEN by, through, of the POWER of the Lord God Almighty, that individual SHALL forever BE “WITH” the Lord God Almighty.

For Centuries, individual men Have been Freely Choosing, THEIR OWN DIVISION…with or without the Lord God Almighty.

The Prophetic Time is coming soon.
It SHALL BE MANIFESTED, revealed, seen; whereby THE DIVIDED, Shall be Forever SEPARATED…
Those “without” the Lord God Almighty
FROM
Those “with” the Lord God Almighty.

And therefore the END of all “natural MORTAL humanity”.

The ancient, historical, modern MANS Mortal life has a beginning (natural birth) and an ending (days, months, years of natural life unto mortal death). And that is a natural course for humans.

The natural divisions shall continue UNTIL the day, God intervenes and SEPARATES the DIVIDED.

The Separations have occurred for centuries, for individual men, at the time of their own individual natural bodily death.

God is JUST. There shall be a period of TIME, via Scripture that amounts to a 7 year time frame of Dividing and Separating, Mortal men.

Some men SHALL bodily die, having REJECTED God, and separated from God.
Some men SHALL bodily die, having SUBMITTED to God, and be with God.
Some men SHALL BELIEVE but yet remain mortally ALIVE, having NOT made a “COMMITMENT” to become made “born again”.

The “separated” against God shall no longer BE ON the Earth.
The “converted” with God shall occupy the Earth, IN Christ Jesus’ Kingdom, (Which IS the Ancient Lands Promised to Abraham and his Descendants).
The “believing” (but not converted) mortal men, shall occupy the lands outside of Christ Jesus’ Kingdom. They establishing their own cities, nations, kings.
The mortal “kings” of the nations, SHALL rule their nations “according to the Word of God”.
The mortals within those nations, SHALL live, marry, reproduce, grow old, die, and their offspring become the kings and citizens of their nations.
THAT shall continue for a period of 1,000 years (per scripture).
What is DIFFERENT about THAT time period is SATAN and ALL fallen Angels “WILL NOT” be present ON Earth, to sway, trick, provoke human men TO REJECT the Lord God.
Over the course of the 1,000 years, nations, citizens, mortals at large, will prosper, will live in comfort, get along with neighboring nations…….AND THEN….nearing the END of the 1,000 years, SATAN and his followers, falling Angels SHALL RETURN TO EARTH, and once Again use their means of power to Trick, Fool, Tempt human mortal men TO STAND AGAINST God, Reject the Lord God, AND charge forward with mortal men and weaponry with a physical intended Attack AGAINST Christ Jesus’ Kingdom.

BY the Sharp two edged sword of the Lord, which IS the WORD of the Lord God, they SHALL be KILLED.

The POINT is, mortal men ARE WEAK. Satan has great powers to tempt, trick, convince men to Reject God and bond with him.
With SATAN “not present ON the Earth for 1,000 years, WHILE mortal men ARE ON the Earth, believing mortal men have ONLY ONE to follow and stand with.
The RETURNING of Satan to the Earth, individual mortal men are faced with an OPTIONAL CHOICE. And those WHO Choose to RALLY with SATAN and WAR Against Christ Jesus’ Kingdom, SHALL be killed and forever Separated from God.

It’s a trial of sorts, of mortal men living together in peace and harmony, STILL letting mortal greed and jealously and false promises trick them into falling for Satans cunning lies.

It’s all Scriptural that you can read for yourself. I can not read, study or believe for you.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

both the trinity and the rapture are false doctrine, that's why they are not in the bible, thank God.

PICJAG.

Your comment declares that you are currently uninformed in the Holy Scriptures declaration of ELOHIM.

 

[Keraz]

Sadly he has been spruiking this line for many years now and he has difficulty to accept any challenge to his understanding.

I believe in and will continue to promote that it will be only the faithful Christians who will occupy all of the holy Land in the end times.
THEN, the Lord will make the new Covenant with us.
Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, where they are present there and the Anti- Christ conquers them . Zechariah 14:1-2, also Ezekiel 38:8-11, cannot be the Jews; they will be the Christian peoples, living in peace and prosperity -trusting in the Lord for His protection. He delivers it, when Gog and his huge army attack them.

I have yet to see any viable challenge to these Biblical truths.

 

[Jay Ross]

I believe in and will continue to promote that it will be only the faithful Christians who will occupy all of the holy Land in the end times.
THEN, the Lord will make the new Covenant with us.
Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, where they are present there and the Anti- Christ conquers them . Zechariah 14:1-2, also Ezekiel 38:8-11, cannot be the Jews; they will be the Christian peoples, living in peace and prosperity -trusting in the Lord for His protection. He delivers it, when Gog and his huge army attack them.

I have yet to see any viable challenge to these Biblical truths.

But your ability to understand the Hebrew or Greek texts, is by your own admission, limited in that you rely on the "translations" to guide you in what the English translations are stating, even though they are contextually wrong.

Your argument against me has been to quote as many different translations as possible and point to the fact that they all basically are worded in the same manner.

Just because many people agree on a particular way of translating the source language text, it does not mean that they are conveying the same context as is expressed in the original texts.

When do the saints receive possession of the whole earth? They receive possession of the whole earth after the GWTR judgement when they, whether they are Jews or gentiles, free or slaves have been judged to be righteous.

The main question is the validity of our relationship with God and whether or not we accept His terms for our relationship with Him.

Shalom

 

[Keraz]

But your ability to understand the Hebrew or Greek texts, is by your own admission, limited in that you rely on the "translations" to guide you in what the English translations are stating, even though they are contextually wrong.

If you think God has allowed the majority of His people to have a faulty version of the Holy Scriptures, then any idea of a loving God is impossible. Such an idea, makes God to be similar to a cat playing with a mouse.

But God has made it very difficult for anyone who chooses to believe false teachings, to obtain the truth of His plans for our future. That is plainly evidenced in the proliferation of theories and wild guesswork of the false 'rapture to heaven' belief.

 

[Davy]

I believe in and will continue to promote that it will be only the faithful Christians who will occupy all of the holy Land in the end times.
THEN, the Lord will make the new Covenant with us.
Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, where they are present there and the Anti- Christ conquers them . Zechariah 14:1-2, also Ezekiel 38:8-11, cannot be the Jews; they will be the Christian peoples, living in peace and prosperity -trusting in the Lord for His protection. He delivers it, when Gog and his huge army attack them.

I have yet to see any viable challenge to these Biblical truths.

I'll challenge and debunk... what you're saying above. Looking at the verse you quote...

Dan 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
KJV

That is about the coming time of "great tribulation" that Lord Jesus warned the Church about in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. It is the latter 1260 days of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27. It is the 42 months the "dragon" is given to reign at the end of this world during the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period in Revelation, linked with the coming "great tribulation" (Jesus comes on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe).

NOTHING IS SAID about a gathering of the saints at that time of Daniel 7:25 or Revelation 13:7, NOR a Christian majority living in the holy land. That idea is YOUR OWN dream story.


Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV


The Zechariah 14 Scripture is about the 'day' of Christ's future coming AFTER the "great tribulation". It is "day of the Lord" timing, which is the LAST DAY of this present world.

The Ezekiel 38:8-11 can be applied to the Western Christian nations, God's people that dwells without walls. And the battle that ensues with those northern armies attacking is about the very LAST DAY of this world too, the 7th Vial Rev.16 battle of "Armageddon" which Lord Jesus and His host army from Heaven will fight, ending this present world. On that... day is when Jesus gathers His elect Church and takes them to Jerusalem, upon the Mount of Olives, and begins His Rev.20 reign over all nations. The Church does not go there until Jesus comes to gather His Church.

 

[Jay Ross]

But God has made it very difficult for anyone who chooses to believe false teachings, to obtain the truth of His plans for our future.

This is so true and it applies to you and your false teachings.

Many have tried to convince you of the false teachings that you push on this forum.

 

[Keraz]

NOTHING IS SAID about a gathering of the saints at that time of Daniel 7:25 or Revelation 13:7, NOR a Christian majority living in the holy land.

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:1-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +

The true Israelites of God, those who come to live in the new country of Beulah, [Isaiah 62:1-5] cannot be those who are apostate or of any sort of deviant personality. But there must be many left alive in the world who will credit the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath to a natural event and continue on in their disbelief of a Creator God. They will form a One World Govt, as prophesied.

Ezekiel 20:37-38 is the best scripture that tells how the Lord will gather all His people, then judge them and those who ‘revolt and rebel’, will not enter the Land.
Jeremiah 5:26-29, Isaiah 66:19b-21
Amos 9:10…the sinners of My people will die by the sword… Isaiah 65:11-12

Isaiah 35:8-10…no one unclean will travel along the ‘Way of Holiness’ into Zion.

Romans 9:24-26 You Christians are My people and in the same place as Israel was rejected, you shall be called Children of the Living God.

As we see in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, it is the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ who are present in the Land during the end time events.

Unfortunately it is evident that the new Israelites go to some extent along the same path as their ancestors and in their prosperity, begin to fall away from the true faith in the Lord as their protector and they agree to a peace treaty with the leader of the OWG. Daniel 9:27 What the Lord thinks about this is in Isaiah 28:14-20
Isaiah 28:21-22 refers to the great Tribulation of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.

The rest of the world’s nations will be under the One World Government, a ten region entity governed by councils each headed by a President. They will soon confer their power and authority onto one charismatic leader, Revelation 17:13

So then, unrighteous and evil people will be present on earth right up until the Return of Jesus. Then, many prophesies say how all the wicked are destroyed then.
But Satan will be released at the end of the 1000 years and he will ‘seduce the nations’ for the one last time. This will sort out those who have kept their faith and those who rebel for the last earthly judgement.

For us, knowing how important it is to keep firm hold onto trusting the Lord for our protection during the forthcoming traumatic times ahead, it is a matter of life or death- Life eternal with Jesus or Death; eventual total annihilation.

 

[Keraz]

This is so true and it applies to you and your false teachings.

Many have tried to convince you of the false teachings that you push on this forum.

A Freudian slip on your part no less.

I have reported you for making a personal accusation.
You are one of the worst; showing your failure to understand God's plans for our future.

 

[Davy]

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:1-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +

Zechariah 14 reveals the leftovers who came up against Jerusalem are still going to be there, and even made to worship The KING and keep the feast of tabernacles. So how did you miss that?

Revelation 3:9 by Lord Jesus reveals those of the "synagogue of Satan" will still be there, and even made to come and worship Christ at the feet of His elect! How'd you miss that?

Revelation 22:14-15 revealed the 'wicked' are outside the gates of the beloved city while those in Christ have right to the Tree of Life inside the gates of the holy city. Even Ezekiel 47 reveals the return of the Tree of Life in the holy land along with the existence of the Millennial temple. That is the "thousand years" reign time of Rev.20, and not the new heavens and new earth time which is later.

I also suggest you look over the Isaiah 25:5-9 Scripture very closely. And that in association with what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 about the 'change' on the "last trump".

 

[Keraz]

Zechariah 14 reveals the leftovers who came up against Jerusalem are still going to be there, and even made to worship The KING and keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zechariah 14:3-27 describes the glorious Return, then the Millennium period.
I was talking about what happens before Jesus Returns.

Revelation 3:9 by Lord Jesus reveals those of the "synagogue of Satan" will still be there

Again; Before Jesus returns.

Revelation 22:14-15 revealed the 'wicked' are outside the gates of the beloved city while those in Christ have right to the Tree of Life inside the gates of the holy city. Even Ezekiel 47 reveals the return of the Tree of Life in the holy land along with the existence of the Millennial temple. That is the "thousand years" reign time of Rev.20, and not the new heavens and new earth time which is later.

Now you've jumped to the Eternal state.

Apparently you simply can't see how the faithful people of God will go to live in all of the holy Land before Jesus Returns. Isaiah 35 and Paul quotes Hosea when he says the Christians will be in the very place where the ancient Israelites were. Romans 9:24-26

 

[Davy]

Zechariah 14:3-27 describes the glorious Return, then the Millennium period.
I was talking about what happens before Jesus Returns.

Again; Before Jesus returns.

No, the Revelation 3:9 Scripture is AFTER Jesus returns; it is Millennium timing when all knees must bow to Christ.

Zechariah 14 covers the day of Christ's future return and gathering of His saints on the "day of the Lord" with the battle of Armageddon on the LAST DAY, and then goes... into His Millennium reign over all nations. So NONE of that is BEFORE His return.

Now you've jumped to the Eternal state.

Apparently you simply can't see how the faithful people of God will go to live in all of the holy Land before Jesus Returns. Isaiah 35 and Paul quotes Hosea when he says the Christians will be in the very place where the ancient Israelites were. Romans 9:24-26

Nope! The Revelation 22:14-15 events show the WICKED still existing at the time when the Tree of Life has returned to earth.

Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

That phrase "For without are..." is a CONJUNCTION with the previous verse description of the "gates into the city". That is pointing to the wicked STILL existing on earth with those 'gates' and that Tree of Life. Ezekiel 47 confirms this also.

In Ezekiel 47 is a description of God's River and the Tree of Life on either side of that River. That River is fed from God's Throne from UNDER THE MILLENNIUM TEMPLE shown there.

Per Revelation 21:22 there will be NO TEMPLE in the new heavens and a new earth timing. So anyone with a bit of common sense should understand by that, as long as the Millennial temple exists, then that is still the time of Christ's "thousand years" reign over the unsaved (i.e., those of Rev.22:15 that are outside the 'gates' of the holy city.)

 

[Keraz]

Zechariah 14 covers the day of Christ's future return and gathering of His saints on the "day of the Lord" with the battle of Armageddon on the LAST DAY, and then goes... into His Millennium reign over all nations. So NONE of that is BEFORE His return.

I see Zechariah 14:1-2 as being the time that the Antichrist conquers Gods people in the holy Land and then sits in the Temple. Paul, in 2 Thess 2:1-4, makes it quite clear that this must happen BEFORE the glorious Return of Jesus.

Nope! The Revelation 22:14-15 events show the WICKED still existing at the time when the Tree of Life has returned to earth.

Nope to you;
From Revelation 21:1, which says the New heaven and earth comes straight after the Millennium, is all about Eternity.
The wicked, as per verse 15, are outside the Eternal city, therefore they do not get immortality, they are annihilated and are remembered no more.

 

[Hobie]

You didn't mention which calendar was used for the calculations. The Jewish calendar was different to our Gregorian calendar. This may make a difference. If the Jewish calendar was used, the calculations would be more accurate and consistent with the Biblical record. However you may know this already, so I was just sayin'.

Well, the Gregorian calendar had not been made so was not around at the time of Daniel, and so doesnt come into the equation. The timeline that Daniel gives is clear if one understands that it is prophecy and so has to be seen using the prophetic day/year to unveil what it shows. The prophecy accurately dates the first coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Its very straightforward, the 70 weeks of this prophecy represent a period of 490 years, based on the biblical principle that prophetic time uses for the day to represent a year. The period of 70 weeks is divided into three time periods: seven weeks (49 years), 62 weeks (434 years) and one week (seven years).

The 70 weeks of Daniel were to begin “from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem” Daniel 9 in verse 25. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city. So using 457 B.C. as the starting point, we see that during the first seven prophetic weeks (49 years) the Jews who returned rebuilt the walls and city of Jerusalem despite the efforts to thwart their work which goes to 408 B.C.. The Messiah was to come after another 62 weeks (434 years). Counting 434 years from 408 B.C. brings us to A.D. 27 which is the year during which Jesus Christ was baptized and started His work as the Messiah. Then in Daniel 9 in verse 26 that the Messiah would be “cut off” after the 62 prophetic weeks (counting the first seven, a total of 69 prophetic weeks or 483 years).

After Jesus died, the Levitical sacrifices were no longer necessary as a representation of His atoning sacrifice for sin, meaning that He brought “an end to sacrifice and offering.” Even though the Jews continued to offer sacrifices until the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70, they were no longer required. One of the reasons the epistle to the Hebrews was written was to convince the Jews that because of Jesus’ sacrifice and the introduction of the New Covenant, the sacrificial system was no longer necessary. So we see the death of Christ foretold as it says that the Messiah would be “cut off” following a total of 69 weeks (seven weeks plus 62 weeks). The prophetic 70th week or seven years, started with Jesus’ ministry. He was “cut off” crucified after 3½ years right “in the middle of the week”, right as the prophecy showed.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well, the Gregorian calendar had not been made so was not around at the time of Daniel, and so doesnt come into the equation. The timeline that Daniel gives is clear if one understands that it is prophecy and so has to be seen using the prophetic day/year to unveil what it shows. The prophecy accurately dates the first coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Its very straightforward, the 70 weeks of this prophecy represent a period of 490 years, based on the biblical principle that prophetic time uses for the day to represent a year. The period of 70 weeks is divided into three time periods: seven weeks (49 years), 62 weeks (434 years) and one week (seven years).

The 70 weeks of Daniel were to begin “from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem” Daniel 9 in verse 25. In 457 B.C., in the seventh year of his reign, King Artaxerxes issued a decree giving Ezra permission to return to Jerusalem to complete the efforts to rebuild the city. So using 457 B.C. as the starting point, we see that during the first seven prophetic weeks (49 years) the Jews who returned rebuilt the walls and city of Jerusalem despite the efforts to thwart their work which goes to 408 B.C.. The Messiah was to come after another 62 weeks (434 years). Counting 434 years from 408 B.C. brings us to A.D. 27 which is the year during which Jesus Christ was baptized and started His work as the Messiah. Then in Daniel 9 in verse 26 that the Messiah would be “cut off” after the 62 prophetic weeks (counting the first seven, a total of 69 prophetic weeks or 483 years).

After Jesus died, the Levitical sacrifices were no longer necessary as a representation of His atoning sacrifice for sin, meaning that He brought “an end to sacrifice and offering.” Even though the Jews continued to offer sacrifices until the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70, they were no longer required. One of the reasons the epistle to the Hebrews was written was to convince the Jews that because of Jesus’ sacrifice and the introduction of the New Covenant, the sacrificial system was no longer necessary. So we see the death of Christ foretold as it says that the Messiah would be “cut off” following a total of 69 weeks (seven weeks plus 62 weeks). The prophetic 70th week or seven years, started with Jesus’ ministry. He was “cut off” crucified after 3½ years right “in the middle of the week”, right as the prophecy showed.

But in Daniel 12, Daniel understood that in the Great tribulation. that it would last for 1,290 days and not 1,260 days as you are suggesting.

Now in Daniel 9:24, the 70 weeks of years is actually not 70 x 7 x 360 days, but rather 70 x 7 x 365.25 days. For Dan 9:24 to work, with the Israelites seeking forgiveness, they would go up to the Temple to offer up a Sin Sacrifice every year. However, the start of each year was determined by observing the occurrence of the barley harvest in conjunction with the new moon. When these did not co-inside an additional 30 day month was added to that year so that the that year had 390 day. Around every 19 solar years the day count seems to match up reasonably well with the Jewish Calander day count for the same number of years.

The reality of verse 24 is that Israel had 490 occasions in which to truly repent of their idolatrous worship before the start of the third age of their existence. Sadly, as a nation, they did not repent and as such the visitation of the father's iniquities of continual idolatrous worship during the first and second age of their existence was visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and fourth age of their existence.

Now the calculations that were employed by many of the chronologists of the Old Testament's chronology, if reverse engineered allows us to get back to the years which they claim many of the events occurred. Many of the chronologists were not that bright at all.

Only one of the many chronologists listed came anywhere near close enough to product a reasonable conclusion that was accurate enough to be acceptable. But then who is counting all of the days. We begin to lose the plot of it all, when we discuss when historical events took place.

Shalom