The first horseman of the Apocalypse
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And we know that Jesus can't be a horse..... because Jesus is a lamb, right? Is that what your 37 years of study has led you to conclude?
David in NJ
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Really?
Do not add to his words,
lest he reprove you and prove you to be a liar.
You mean, adding words ----Like this? (Wicked Grapes) --but that's an aside.
You didn't address the question. Jesus can't be a horse, because he's a lamb?
David in NJ
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Who said "Wicked Grapes" ?
The Answer to your question can only be found in Scripture.
Therefore, bring forth the scripture that establishes Jesus appearing as a 'horse'.
It is not in Revelation because all the horses in Revelation have 'Riders on them' = CLEAR distinction between the two.
The horse throughout Scripture is referred to as a vehicle/movement for battle or transportation from one place to another.
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Sorry-- that just isn't true.
Zechariah asks the angel of the Lord what the horses are that he is shown and the angel answers--
“These are the ones whom the LORD has sent to walk about on the earth.”
Ask and answer-- Wasn't Jesus sent to walk about on the earth? Wasn't he a sent one?
Jesus said--
The spirit of the Lord is upon me.... so I'll ask you-- who's riding who?
David in NJ
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Just as i said = the horses are vehicles that give the RIDERS access to travel "about the earth"
The horse is the 'vehicle' for the designated RIDER and his assigned Mission.
JESUS is not returning as a 'horse' but HE will be riding one.................
He's a lamb, though-- right? Don't be afraid. Just answer as best you can.
He can be a lamb, --and a lion.... but never a horse? How about a dove?
David in NJ
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The Holy Spirit is symbolized as a Dove
KEY = symbolized = not actual but only in symbolic form
Jesus is symbolized as:
a.) the Lion of the Tribe of Judah
b.) the LAMB sacrificed from the foundation of the world
But never as a horse
Example: Revelation ch19
Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True.
With righteousness He judges and wages war. He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head.
He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.
only the RIDER is personally addressed with a Name, with Authority, with many royal crowns on His Head = not the horse
AND
only the RIDER is dressed in a robe = not the horse.
David in NJ
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Timtofly
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Revelation 6 was the original Microsoft PowerPoint presentation to the first century readers.
The horses don't represent any beings good or bad.
The horses are bullet points outlining 4 different events.
All 4 events would drastically alter the status quo. Preparing humanity for the Second Coming, the 5th and 6th Seals.
Seek first to understand. The horses most assuredly are men. Seen in spirit- horses. On earth— men.
They are the means of carrying the message- that is, in spirit- the word of God is carried by the messengers of God who ride upon horses— who are men with the spirit upon them.
Like the pony express bringing the news. We don’t think this way anymore, but at the time John was relating the revelation of Jesus the Christ- a horse was the swiftest, most powerful means of transport. As far as associations go, the one he made had no comparison.
Today we might think in terms of an F-35 or something like that in terms of similar imagery— swift, powerful— carrying a man, controlled by the ‘rider’ (Pilot).
Timtofly
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So death and sheol are human men?
What color was the horse sheol was riding on? There were 5 horses, no?
ScottA
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It is Jesus, the First.
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:
KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16
LORD OF LORDS. Revelation 19:11-16
The Antichrist would not be given a crown, a white robe or be riding on a white horse. White signifies unblemished holiness.
The rider of this white horse has a bow, an offensive weapon of war, but he is also given a crown. The only righteous ones seen wearing crowns during the Lord’s Day are Jesus and the class represented by the 24 elders. (Daniel 7:13, 14, 27; Luke 1:31-33; Revelation 4:4, 10; 14:14) It is unlikely that a member of the group of 24 elders would be pictured as receiving a crown on his own merit. Hence, this lone horseman must be Jesus Christ and no other. (Psalm 2:6-8; Revelation 19:11-16, 21) Thus, in opening the first seal Jesus reveals how he himself, as the newly crowned King, sallies forth to war at God’s appointed time. Compare these other supporting scriptures: John 1:1, 14; Revelation 1:5, 14, 16; 2:17, 18, 27; 3:14; 12:5; 17:14.
This scene harmonizes beautifully with Psalm 45:4-7, addressed to the King enthroned by God Almighty. Being familiar with that prophetic description, John would appreciate that it applies to Jesus’ activity as King.-Compare Hebrews 1:1, 2, 8, 9.
Davy
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An important Bible doctrine Jesus gave for today is almost completely missing in most Churches today, especially in the Pre-trib Rapture type Churches. It is the warning Jesus gave about a coming pseudo-Christ (Matthew 24:23-26). That false one comes first to play Christ. How?
Apostle Paul called that fake the "another Jesus" in 2 Corinthians 11. John called him the "dragon" and "another beast" in Revelation 13. Paul called him the "man of sin", "son of perdition", and that "Wicked" in 2 Thess.2. And John also called him "antichrist" in 1 John 2:18.
That coming false one that comes first is that false rider on the 1st Seal of Rev.6. The Seals of Rev.6 are directly paralleled by Jesus in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 with 7 main Signs of the end leading up to His return. The 1st Seal is about His warning to not allow any man to deceive us.
That is what the rider on the white horse on the 1st Seal is about, the pseudo-Christ that comes first.
Paul said that coming false one will exalt himself over all that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thess.2:4).
John in Rev.13:4-8 revealed the whole world will worship "the dragon", which is about that false one coming to play God on earth.
That is why the Rev.6 1st Seal rider on the white horse represents that false one that is to come working great signs and wonders and miracles to deceive the whole world into thinking he is God having come.
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