Christ4Me
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I probably used the term a little too loosely. One of the tactics debaters often use is to overwhelm their opponents by posing clusters of questions so voluminous that the opponent hasn't the allotted time to answer them all. I don't really suspect that you would purposely do such a thing, and I can be easily distractable and slow at times, so you probably should just disregard the spam accusations with my apologies.
Okay. I can forgive you because I am slow myself too, but Jesus is carrying me.
You may safely trust me when I say that what I like or dislike has no bearing on my views of the Bible text. When I was initiated into the systematic theology I now hold, I was (eventually) very open to suggestion, and seeking to find objective truth. I now know that total objectivity is nearly impossible, but the basic framework of that theology has not changed one iota for me. And it is as simple as can be: Christ came into this world to restore the image of God (love) in man, in order to rid the universe of the disease of sin, thus making it secure and joyful.
I have said before that I do not believe in the old covenant as being one that was implemented for a period of earth's history, but actually a historic illustration of the universal principle that sinful man cannot keep the law in his own power. Christ knew that and was giving the rich young ruler a crash course. Nevertheless, the conditions of eternal life have forever been perfect obedience to God's law. If it were not so, Christ need not to have died sinless. This is about as logical as a thing could ever be.
No man except Christ has ever kept the law his whole life. People begin sinning before they even know what sin is. Therefore salvation by works is a plain and simple impossibility. This, however, does not excuse our sin after we are initially forgiven and justified. The new covenant was in existence from the foundation of the earth. God speaks of it distinctively in Deuteronomy 5:29, during the time of Noah and the Levitical priesthood.
(Soteriology is a science that can enrapture the mind indefinitely. I learn new things about it even as I sit and contemplate the Word of God. Even as I'm driving.) When we say things like "live by faith in Jesus Christ for everything," we really have no idea of the depths and heights of that simple truth. We have no idea of how at variance we all are with it. Angels cry out, "Holy, Holy, Holy!!!" before the throne of God in awe of it. One single angel is more interested in the redemption of man than is the entire human race. Sorry, I digress.
I do that too. No worry, brother.
But back to our topic, being dependent upon Jesus for everything doesn't mean accepting His sacrifice for us and trusting in Him to save us in the shallow form that kind of faith takes in us.
I was able to follow you in understanding & agreeing with your position until here. Since it is written that the just shall live by faith, then what is more pleasing to God than believing in Him to be our Good Shepherd & Friend to help us to follow Him? I believe that is why the gospel is simple and the way to follow Him is simple too that little children are free to come to Him for all they can do is trust Him at His word.
Every loaf of bread we eat should be stamped with the cross of Calvary. His sacrifice literally provided that loaf of bread.
You lost me there. Are you talking about communion? Are you believing that Christ's presence is in the bread & the wine as a sacrament?
He says we should be holy, or perfect, even as is our Father in Heaven. Is He just reciting cute things for us to say and take for granted? How much holiness to the Lord is too much? Why shouldn't the unsaved sinner expire at the moment he has his first sinful thought? Well, he should, but because Christ purchased our probation for us on the cross, he doesn't die. Behold the Lamb of that taketh away the sin of the world. (As you can probably tell, I'm actually much more interested in the Person that the Scriptures reveal than the books, chapters, and verses, etc.)
Take this verse for how we can be holy.
1 John 3: And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Now apply that hope in Him in trusting Him to destroy the works of the devil in our lives and to help us to follow Him daily.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.