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The Gift Of The Sabbath - Is It For Us? - NEW AND IMPROVED??

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by BarnyFife, Jan 9, 2022.

  1. GerhardEbersoehn

    GerhardEbersoehn Well-Known Member

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    Another self-righteous hypocrite! Question mark, Why? How? NOT YOU?!, NOT I?! Not EVERYONE!?
    O God, be merciful to ME, sinner!
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    There's your answer, from yourself, with love and full of admiration for yourself, to yourself.
     

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    AMEN! Thanks be to God
     
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    The 'first' doesn't say what you have there, buddie. Nothing of.
    You haven't read what the LORD GOD did on the first Seventh Day of his own making, itself. You haven't read until you've read chapter 3:8 to 24.
    Go read again.
     
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    Good!
    The observances of the Christ was accepted by God because He lived in obedience to Him, because He declared, "I CAME TO MAGNIFY THY LAW, O GOD!"
     
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  6. Christ4Me

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    Thank you for sharing, brother.

    I reckon it depends on if you are doing it for the same reasons the Jews are; for obtaining eternal life.

    Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

    Since we are saved and have His righteousness in us apart from the law by faith in Jesus Christ, is why we can rest in Him on the sabbath rather than "work" in observing the sabbath to obtain salvation by. If you have any fear regarding breaking the sabbath, then you need to give that fear to Jesus, because Him dwelling in you is how He can make you stand in that day before Him regardless of profaning the sabbath.

    So hope in Jesus Christ alone in bringing you Home to the Marriage Supper above but if you divide that hope on observing the sabbath day, then that hope in Jesus ceases to be hope and made void by the law.

    Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

    If I was observing the sabbath day, I'd probably doubt myself for why I was observing it, especially if I fear breaking it for that could mean I was not believing my hope in Jesus Christ for salvation was enough.

    For me to repent and not skip back into that apostate thinking nor backsliding, I would honor the Lord on Sunday which is not the same as observing the sabbath, even though there are some that believe the sabbath was moved to Sunday, but it was not. If I really believe the Lord has saved me and is able to make me stand without observing the sabbath day, then regardless that I am profaning the sabbath, Him being in me ( 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 & 2 Corinthians 13:5 ) and with me always ( Matthew 28:20 ) is why I am guiltless ( Matthew 12:1-7 ) and how He is able to make me stand. Romans 14:4-8 That is how Jesus Christ has become my rest for why I would honor Him on Sunday as the Lord's day of His resurrection for why I and other believers would worship Him on that day for what He has done in having saved us by believing in Him alone.
     
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    I don't understand your answer, nor your description of me. [​IMG]

    Why are you so angry?
     
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    I do the same thing. studying, watching sermons, reading the Bible. I also have found some live animal cams on you tube, which I will look at, to marvel at His creation. ♥ Thank you, Lord.
     
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  9. Christ4Me

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    I never even heard of that book "Desire of Ages". Has anyone referenced it for you to make this charge in this thread or in this forum?

    You need to take a break, pray, and collect yourself if you believe you are in the right because continuing like this is not going to win any one over.

    2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    Galatians 5:4 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

    1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

    Treat this as an outreach ministry rather than somebody trying to corrupt your church for which I can see why you would excommunicate them, not that I agree with you for keeping the sabbath day, but that is what a church is supposed to do with unrepentant heretics.

    But you are not in a church but in a forum that can only be utilized as an outreach ministry, but as you do so, you also have to lead by example in being open in discussions by addressing contentions in scripture in the N.T. for why many believers are not keeping the sabbath day but honoring the Lord's day in regards to His resurrection. Since we are not perfect yet and prophesy in part & know in part, each member has to be open to correction by the scripture and not ignore the scripture for why they are not keeping the sabbath. If you do not have an answer, maybe some day you will or the Lord will raise somebody else up, but the problem here is referring only to the O.T, scripture as if that voids the scripture in the N.T. is not going to cut it. The fact that the observance of the sabbath day is not continually taught to the churches in the N.T. is found wanting nor are any churches warned for not keeping it in the N.T. and yet there are plenty of warnings in the O.T. Why is that?

    Again, you may not have the answers right now, but maybe soon you will, but if you are mad because you do not have an answer for these contentions, then maybe you should ask the Lord for wisdom to see the truth in His words to see if He is pruning you to bear more fruits.

    Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

    John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
     
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    Pray for him. Pray for everybody here, including me and yourself. :)

    2 Thessalonians 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
     
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    @Christ4Me Great verse there; I've actually been thinking about it a lot lately...
     
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    Not heard of that book, either....
     
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    Actually, when I do that, I reach the exact opposite conclusion. I can't at all picture God saying or thinking" Your 'not having other gods before me' is detestable to me." What do Levitical sabbaths, feasts, new moons and incense have to do with the ten commandments? You seem to just be recycling the old argument that God placed a disposable, Levitical ritual in the middle of his moral code. I'm very well aware that 1 or 2 billion people believe that or some variation of it. I used to also. I've come out of that Romanish system. God means what He says, plainly, from a mountaintop of thundering and lightnings, written with His own finger on tables of stone.
    What folks feel compelled to do is between themselves and their God, and none of my business, my old friend. To the best of my knowledge, feelings don't factor into my recognition of duty to God. :)
     
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    How'd you get 'feelings' out of what I said?
    I'm referring to 'conscience'.
    What ever you think is true, whether it actually is right or not, that is what you must submit to. I mean, you have to. That is the only time a person has to observe a literal sabbath. When their conscience says they have to. And they have my full support, for that reason.
     
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    There's nothing moral about keeping a Sabbath.
    If you want to claim that not doing certain things is kind and thoughtful and considerate of others, well, we're supposed to do that every day, not just one day of the week. Which takes us back to what I was originally saying - literal sabbath rest is illustrative of the spiritual reality of rest from your work of sinning. When God rested from his work of salvation on the cross that was our cue to rest from our own work - our sinful work of the flesh.
     
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    It's all the sum total of the law of Moses. Mt. Sanai wasn't just about the 10 Commandments.
     
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    But I showed you a verse that says that.
    There are others.

    That was a very deep and profound revelation to me in the first couple of years of my non-observant Christian life. Because you see, even us non-observant believers tend to put the emphasis on outward worship and not on inward obedience. Some even put greater emphasis on outward worship claiming that represents the greater thing, love for God.
     
  18. FluffyYellowDuck

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    @BarnyFife @Ferris Bueller

    Don't want to interrupt but

    I never thought I would envision a television show where Barney Fife and Ferris Bueller debate the Sabbath.

    (It's pretty good)
     
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    And we know which one is the shrewd one.
    I don't call myself Ferris Bueller for nothing! Lol.
     
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    Lol!

    Well. We tend to say Jesus is our rest so we don't need the Sabbath.

    I think people believed that in the Biblical period, too, because the Bible already addressed that exact understanding.

    Hebrews 4:8-9

    " For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

    There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."
     
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