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The Gift Of The Sabbath - Is It For Us? - NEW AND IMPROVED??

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by BarnyFife, Jan 9, 2022.

  1. BarnyFife

    BarnyFife Well-Known Member

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    Of course, you're right, and I owe you a heartfelt apology. I've known you long enough to know better. I can't take time to flesh this out right now (I took a pretty ugly fall early this afternoon) but I wanted to get it on the record right away. :)
     
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    When God says you shall be saved you are saved -- forevermore.
     
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    One of the two major book of E.G. White. Extracts from it under the title 'Passion of Christ' or something. There are many other editions too. For decades and decades I'm no longer reading any SDA stuff. The chapter was something like 'He is Risen' or something. Do your own research. If you insist I can go to my archives and dig up my discussions with your Bob Ryan. Don't know if he is with the living still. God bless his soul.
     
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    Philosophy won't bring you far in this computer age.
     
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    This isn't even good philosophy; this is plain subjectivism 'feelings' you just now have told someone is useless non-information.
     
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    KJV is not always exactly right.
     
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    God expressly put the caveat “IF” as to what WILL apply, ‘IF’ a man agrees.
     
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    I had thought you were upset over us supposedly reading that book? Just wanted to clarify that I had not and don't care to either. His words are sufficient for my growth, correction, and walk with the Lord as I rest in Jesus Christ as my Good Shepherd to help me to follow Him.
     
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    What version do you suggest?

    I use the Geneva, also.
     
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    He is alive and well and active over at CF. :)
     
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    I was talking about Romans 14.
     
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    For what it's worth, I don't recommend trusting any version over another as a course of habit. On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with a person picking one version and sticking with it, either. Some versions translate certain passages better than others. I don't believe the whole truth of God's Word can be masked very easily by even the most legitimately and intentionally adulterated translations. And the infallible translation is a myth, as far as I can tell. The importance of transcript integrity isn't once mentioned in the Bible, best I can recall. I had someone suggest to me the other day that all mankind will be judged by the Bible as it was written in the original languages. This idea is, to me, the height of absurdity. Technically, we don't even have this to refer to today. And the notion that ancient Hebrew and Greek are native or somehow standard to the Heavenly Canaan--preee-posterous.

    The most remote tribes and peoples have been instructed in the way of godliness by the crudest adaptations of the Bible imaginable. In the middle ages, Huguenots and Waldensians (among others) smuggled several and sometimes even single pages of Scripture at a time, sewn within the fabric of their garments, at the risk of forfeiting their very lives to the organized church. The clamor to find the truest text is largely a western convention. Such controversies are practically unheard of in populous nations in the east, such as China and India.

    (Again for what it's worth) an old, old friend of mine (who taught literature evangelism and Bible study classes for many years) told me that he'd almost never gotten to the bottom of a difficult text by resorting to the original tongues. He said that the method most helpful to him was comparing English translations with one another. I've found this to be true in my own case, as well. The rationale behind it is that it is harder to hide an unsanctified agenda in many translations than it is in one. I don't know if it's ultimately trustworthy or not, but it's the best theory I've come across so far. :)
     
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    So it's best to go ahead and murder someone so you won't have to worry about why you're not murdering them?
    Dishonor father and mother so you don't have to worry about why you're honoring them?
    Am I making any sense at all?

    o_O
     
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    Good post Barney,
    "I don't believe the whole truth of God's Word can be masked very easily by even the most legitimately and intentionally adulterated translations."
    Awesome! I once read that if you tore out every other page of the bible, the gospel message would still be understood.

    I use for my go to the KJV, it's what I'd learned on and remember easier because of it's unique old English. BUT...I agree with you about having multiple versions.

    "I had someone suggest to me the other day that all mankind will be judged by the Bible as it was written in the original languages."
    :rolleyes: ... absurd is right!

    "I don't know if it's ultimately trustworthy or not, but it's the best theory I've come across so far. :)"

    Me too!
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    WHAT DO YOU CALL A PILE OF CATS?
    A MEOWTAIN. :p


     
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    Were you there? How do you know a commandment wasn't made?

    And, more was written than that the Lord rested on the 7th day from creating the heavens and the earth in 6 days, as you claim:

    Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

    Why would He need to bless it and sanctify it if it was never to be used again?

    "Sanctify" means to set apart for holy use.

    Why was there even a seven-day cycle to begin with to show when the Sabbath occurred and was to be kept if no one had been keeping it?


    ...unless they had abandoned or forgotten it, in which case, the commandment might appropriately begin with the word "Remember," as, indeed, it does.

    A brief look at Exodus 16 reveals that, in fact, the commandment already existed before Sinai.
    You really don't have to discern anything here, as we have already discussed. The meaning of the text can be understood by a plain reading.
    Well, you wouldn't find those careful instructions in a New Testament which was ushering in the spiritual Kindom of God that was intended to replace the theocracy in place beforehand. Remember the story of the woman caught in adultery that we discussed before?
    ...which seems like a good idea, since causing another person to violate something we wouldn't, ourselves, violate wouldn't be very nice, would it?
    As stated before, what's wrong with that? Modern technology makes this accommodation even less labor-intensive than it was for the Israelites coming out of Egypt.
    Things have to get done to sustain life and other Sabbath activities and worship. God is very practical. Physical rest is not the main point of the Sabbath. God is very busy on the Sabbath. When He rested after creating the earth, did He let the universe go to pot and fall apart?
    Your conclusion doesn't follow. Jesus said explicitly that He kept His Father's commandments (John 15:10).
    What we're really talking about here is burden of proof. We (Sabbath-keepers) simply observe, witness, and affirm that the Seventh-day Sabbath of the Lord is forever sanctified by God and His Word, and is, in every way a commandment of God just as much as the other nine. In doing this we are accused of perpetrating a falsehood. We accuse no one of anything. The burden of proof is on the accuser. This is how the Judeo-Christian adversarial system of justice works.
    There is no defense to rest for a party who is not being accused of anything. I accuse no one of profaning the Sabbath. I merely testify to its perpetuity.
     
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    Thought police? (lol) Fact is, there's no thinking to do. God has already settled the matter by placing it smack-dab in the middle (just a figure of speech) of His moral code for humanity.
    I trust you to do what's right. I know that you will. :)
    Signs are generally more concrete: Rainbow; circumcision; baptism; Lord's Supper. :)
    Here you seem to be separating the commandments into two piles: Moral and observant. I don't find that distinction being made in Scripture. And, by the way, if I didn't know you better, I'd think you were advocating legalism here. Best I can figure, folks can't enter into rest in God until they are born again. I'm sure that you're not advocating salvation by works, though. ;)
    Here you seem to be categorizing the 4th commandment with a Levitical law (sacrifice?). If obedience is better than sacrifice, doesn't the 4th commandment seem obeyable to you?
     
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    Not just yet, it ain't. :D
     
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    All dealt with previously by myself and others. What you haven't dealt with is a holy day that you are right at this minute, ignoring. What are you going to do about it? Continue to deny it's existence, or deal with it?
     
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    I read it as why there are 7 days in a week as that seventh day is a reminder of how God rested on that day from all of His creation.

    The reason for that law; the people were doubting God had delivered them out of Egypt. By the way He provided the manna is to prove God did deliver them out of Egypt.

    Exodus 16:2 And the whole congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness: 3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger. 4 Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. 5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily. 6 And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the Lord hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:

    It wasn't for the reason of the sabbath day of creation.

    Is Jesus Lord of the sabbath or is the sabbath 'lord' over Jesus? Was man created for the sabbath or was the sabbath created for man?

    Mark 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

    I really should include verse 8 in Matthew 12:1-8 instead of stopping at 7.


    You cannot speak for every Sabbath day keeper, but I am glad you do not do that, brother.

    I did provide a link to that web site at one time that was showing the belief that those with His seal would be keeping the sabbath.

    One person did respond like that in this thread but I got no answer yet in the questions I had asked him about to clarify if he was really talking like those people at that web site.

    Anyway, thank you for your time & sharing on the topic.
     
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