2 a4u, greeting in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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What would be the purpose of the Bible telling us that Jesus said something, the Holy Ghost said something and the LORD said something? Why doesn't it just say God said something if they are not different aspects of the same God
What would be the purpose?. to reveal himself . and the aspects, which he did in three dispensation or Administration. the first dispensation, he is CREATOR & MAKER. his second dispensation, he is SAVIOUR & REDEEMER. and his last dispensation, which we're in now, he is COMFORTER & MEDIATOR.
Jesus is THE WORD of God.... who agreed to take on a flesh body and die in our place. He prayed to the Father who was still in heaven yet the Bible tells us that Jesus was the exact representation of the Father in bodily form.
Correction, JESUS is the ONLY TRUE SPIRIT. whom we give the Epithet, God. true, Jesus the "Christ", is the Exact representative of the Spirit, (whom you call God), in a Flesh, bone and blood body. he is the, "Allos", or the diversity of the The Eternal Spirit. let me give you a quick and short explanation. what is "a" Diversity, or Diversities of God?. a Diversity is simply a "SHARE", or expressed as "ANOTHER", meaning, an offspring, in the class, group, or sort(nature) unto their own. when we say "ANOTHER", we means of the SAME nature, be ye Spiritual, or Carnal. question how do a Diversities come into creation, or have BEING, or as we say existence?, according to the flesh, by natural or carnal birth. Spiritually according to the Spirit, a renewing of one's mind. birth, according to the flesh, G1081 gennema, which means "to beget", to cause to be ("gen"-erate). it denotes "the offspring of men and animals". (reflexively) to become (come into being). to be a partaker of flesh and blood. birth, according to the Spirit. G1085, genos denotes an "an offspring, a race, family (akin to ginomai, "to become", NOT TO BECOME INTO EXISTENCE IN CREATION AS IN NATURAL BIRTH, but to become a "SHARE", or a NEW CREATURE or a "NEW PERSON" as in Christ Jesus, having "ANOTHER" or NEW NATURE, as him, (God) according to the spirit. this renewing is in the spirit, for "his thoughts are not our thoughts, nor his ways our ways". we must be regenerated, or renewed as in a birth from above. in a Spiritual birth, one is regenerated. as in kin, meaning being related in spirit, and in mind. "a race, family" (akin to ginomai, "to become"), which denotes "an offspring,{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective} who have the same characteristics of the same kind, class as the Root. that's why Jesus said that he was the ROOT and OFFSPRING of David. lets make it plain. G1081 gennema, which means to beget". G1085, genos means "to become". one is to beget, the other is to become. a Son or offspring is simply "another" person who have the same #1. Nature, be it carnal, or Spiritual. and #2. who have the character, or who have the same characteristics, who have the same behavior, or who have the same ways as the root or the person who it sprang from.
now to understand the diversity, as EXPRESSED as "Another". scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross". this word "Form". tell us who the "CHRIST" is.
FORM: G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fay') n.
1. shape, the outward nature.
2. form, shape, outward appearance
Definition: form, shape, outward appearance.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
well lets see what G3313 is.
G3313 μέρος meros (mer'-os) n.
1. a division or share
{literally or figuratively, in a wide application}
[from an obsolete but more primary form of meiromai "to get as a section or allotment"]
there it is, the Christ, the "Messiah", or the diversity, in flesh and blood is a "SHARE" of the Spirit, (whom you call God), "NATURE", in our, form or NATURE, meaning the SAME ONE, in "ANOTHER" FORM. what do "ANOTHER" mean?. not thinking in our way, but in God way. according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, "Another",
G243, "allos" and G2087 "heteros" both these words have a difference in meaning in "ANOTHER". which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort, (sort here means NATURE);" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort. examples, " Christ promised to send "another Comforter" (allos, "another like Himself," not heteros), John 14:16. Paul says "I See a different ( "another") law," heteros", a law different from that of the spirit of life (not allos, "a law of the same sort"), Rom 7:23.
LOOK THESE WORDS UP AND UNDERSTAND THEM. G243, "allos" and G2087 "heteros". Jesus the Christ is the Spirit, (whom you call God, is a SHARED, or Express in the NATURE of Flesh and Blood. lets prove it in scripture, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form (NATURE) of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God". question who is God equal?, listen, Isaiah 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One". and Isaiah 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?". listen real Good, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me". Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any". if God know not any "other" God, meaning different, " heteros" from him, then Jesus the Christ must be "Allos" the "SAME", ONE, as him, only in a different, or shared nature with us. THE DIVERSIFY SHARE. meaning "Allos", the SAME ONE, of the SAME KIND, the SAME NATURE, the SAME CLASS, which is the Spirit.
Diversities are a offspring of a single person, (if according to the flesh, husband and wife as one), in a single class, or a single group, which share a single nature. who may or may not have the same form (nature), the same fashion, the same figure, the same similitude, and or the same image, (in nature), as to the one the offspring came from. also the Diversities or the offspring(s), or the shared person(s) may, and or may not manifest the same character, or moral characteristics, or behavior as of the one he, or she, sprang from. be it the characteristics, or behavior are Godly, or evil. THIS IS WHAT "A" SON IS. this is the difference in G1081, "gennema", beget. as to G1085, "genos". to become. both character, behavior, and moral characteristics are learned. supportive scripture Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross". listen to the definition of Son, according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. SON, G5207 υἱός huios (hwee-os') n. primarily signifies the relation of offspring to parent (See John 9:18-John 9:20; Gal 4:30. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. It is used in the NT of (a) male offspring, Gal 4:30; (b) legitimate, as opposed to illegitimate offspring, (c) descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27. (f) those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15; John 17:12; 2Thess 2:3, or good, Luke 20:36; (i) the dignity of the relationship with God whereinto men are brought by the Holy Spirit when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 8:19; Gal 3:26.
let he hit you with something a4. we are "a" diversity, or the offspring of the Eternal Spirit, in flesh, bone, and blood, us human creatures. which is called, man (Adam), meaning a diversity, (spirit, or offspring of the Eternal Spirit). but we're "heteros", in NATURE, and in character to our Father, after the FALL. we only have the form, or the fashion, or the similitude, or the image of God. Genesis 1:26 "let us make man in our likeness, and in our image". which his flesh was to come, hence his three dispensation to reveal himself. this is even confirm from the old testament. scripture, Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones". this word fellow here in Zechariah 13:7
FELLOW: H5997 עָמִיתּ `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship
2. hence (concretely) a comrade or kindred man
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.
guess what the word "Fellow" means, that's right "another". and who was talking here in the old testament?, that's right, the one whom you call God/LORD. and now you know who this is referring to right?. yes, Jesus the Christ, Matthew 26:31 "Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad". now who is the "I" in the verse above, answer "the LORD".
Yet Jesus tells us that the Father is greater than I and Jesus when baptized had the DOVE the Holy Ghost descend upon him as the Father in heaven was heard saying this is my Son in whom I am well pleased. God is Father, Son(The Word) and Holy Ghost which I believe is the mothering side of God(Dove), while called he, for God is male yet with all attributes of male and female, there are no reproductive organs for He is Spirit.
John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I".
I'm going to give you the short definition to save time. but I can give you the full understanding of what he was talking about. here it is. Greater? in which context, "quantity", or "quality". that word, "greater", here in verse 28. it is the same word, "greater", Jesus uses in verse 12. wait a minute, is Jesus saying that men who believe is GREATER than him in power, (quality), as we assume, NO. so what is Jesus really saying. GREATER, have several meaning, depending on how you used it, in context or out of context. now we are seeing the real use of the word, in context meaning, Greater as in quantity, and not quality. greater used as an adjective, it means, "more" believers to do the SAME work he is doing, but it will be a greater number of them/us doing the same work he was doing, and will be doing it through us. more, or greater in quantity, not quality, because he said, John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works, (there it is), than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father". so we who believe will do the SAME works but now we have millions of Jesus, as to say, doing the works, so greater here means more. this is the short answer.
and Jesus when baptized had the DOVE the Holy Ghost descend upon him as the Father in heaven was heard saying this is my Son in whom I am well pleased. God is Father, Son(The Word) and Holy Ghost which I believe is the mothering side of God(Dove), while called he, for God is male yet with all attributes of male and female, there are no reproductive organs for He is Spirit.
again, let me give you the short answer here. John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape". a4, was this statement made before or after the baptism of our lord?, answer, after. ok now the short answer to the three at the baptism, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD". did not the Spirit fill that body also. lets prove this out by Scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven". now who was on earth at the same time in heaven, one better read their commentary on this verse.
It was not the Father who became flesh and died.
I must disagree with you on that. listen, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you". there is only one God. so who came?. that's right the Spirit, (the one whom you call God), the diversified spirit, notice the small case "s", meaning in the nature of flesh and blood. the human nature. and two, the Spirit did not forsook the son, (the diversified spirit), in the context we have came accustom to, Oh no. one need to re-examine that word forsook. and by the Spirit, (whom you call God), coming in a diversified nature, from which he died from (flesh and blood). began a new life in glorified flesh, without BLOOD. scripture, Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily". the Spirit, (whom you call God) , have his tabernacle, (flesh and bone), NO BLOOD. now we're to receive ours, (bodies) upon his return.
John 15:26
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
KJV
John 16:8-16
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
KJV
for all of this see "Another", above.
There is only the One true God who is Father Son/Word and Holy Ghost for these 3 are one having all attributes of family.
"Father", "Son", "Word", and "Holy Ghost", are titles of the one true Spirit, whom you call God. the Holy Spirit is the only one who is God. Holy is an Epithet of the ONE TRUE SPIRIT, "Holy" is his character, and Spirit is his nature. understand?. only one PERSON.
a4 understand or to grasp this understanding, or this concept. one need to understand a few definition.
#1. Abstract
#2. Concrete
#3. Subjective
#4. Objective
and all of these can be revealed by the simple two letter word "of". once you get these concepts down then we can start to discuss the father and the son.
be blessed.