The good man that turned bad out of necessity

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I missed this thread.

Who's here that is sick of @Matthias? Let's all get Matthias banned for life.

I put him on ignore 6 months ago.

I sense a lot of animosity from you. Don't you think you'd be happier without that?

Prolly doesn't know how to let it go. One of the great gifts coming to Christ gave me was it allowed me to release my anger.

Sorry people. I really hate Christian's.

Animosity out in the open. Because of the hate, you are drawn to post in a Christian forum. We still love you.
 

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why don't you just admit you don't know what you will do if you or your family (God forbid) are attacked.
I already told him repeatedly what to do as a pacifist when attacked.

STEP 1. Don't be racist.
STEP 2. Don't be Islamophobic.
STEP 3. Patiently wait for the police to come arrest you.
STEP 4. Don't react in anger. Use the incident to bring us all together.
 
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I already told him repeatedly what to do.

STEP 1. Don't be racist.
STEP 2. Don't be Islamophobic.
STEP 3. Patiently wait for the police to come arrest you.
STEP 4. Don't react in anger. Use the incident to bring us all together.

She already knows that I’m not racist, nor Islamophobic. So do you.

She won’t understand step 3 and step 4 until you tell her the context.
 

Matthias

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Yes. Why didn’t she kill the Nazis?

Remember this teaching: “You aren’t following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

The teaching I quoted is from a false teacher.

She didn’t kill the Nazis because she obeyed the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
 

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I think if all men were contentious objectors like him, we wouldn't have a military.

The early church was like him. The Roman Empire still had a military.

The roles of state government (non-followers of Jesus) and church (followers of Jesus and the apostles) weren’t mixed.
 

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Do you understand that the majority of men that fought and killed the Nazis in WW2 were Christian?

Do you understand that your line of thinking in general is an attempt to justify Christians killing fellow Christians?

Do you understand that it isn’t God or the Messiah who wants Christians to kill one another?

Do you understand that it is the devil who wants Christians to kill one another?

This is the low bar. Until we are able to clear this hurdle, there’s no possibility of us clearing the higher hurdle.

Are you willing to kill the brothers and sisters of Jesus, the body of Messiah?
 

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@Riven do you recognize this photograph?

It documents (without being too graphic) the aftermath of Christians killing and wounding fellow Christians, as well as killing and wounding non-Christians, for what you deem to be “the greater good”.

Would it have a different impact on you if it pictured the dead and dying Christians at the hands of Christians in addition to the demolished structures?

Demolished buildings at the hands of Christians? Meh?

Demolished Christians at the hands of Christians? Meh?
 

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@Riven do you recognize this photograph?

It documents (without being too graphic) the aftermath of Christians killing and wounding fellow Christians, as well as killing and wounding non-Christians, for what you deem to be “the greater good”.

Would it have a different impact on you if it pictured the dead and dying Christians at the hands of Christians in addition to the demolished structures?

Demolished buildings at the hands of Christians? Meh?

Demolished Christians at the hands of Christians? Meh?
Yes. That's a picture of Japan after we bombed them with atomic weapons. They were not Christians, and the alternative, a full scale invasion of Japan proper, would have resulted in at least a million dead American Christian men.
 
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Yes. That's a picture of Japan after we bombed them with atomic weapons.

Specifically, Nagasaki.

They were not Christians …

Do you not consider Catholics to be Christians?

How many Christians were killed in Nagasaki when the atomic bomb was dropped on the city?

AI Overview -

“When the atomic bomb was dropped on Nagasaki on August 9, 1945, an estimated 8,000 to 10,000 (primarily Catholics) were killed. This loss wiped out roughly two-thirds of the city’s active Catholic population because the bomb detonated directly over the Urakami district, the historic center of Christianity in the city.

Impact on the Christian Community

• Urakami Cathedral: The hypocenter (ground zero) was near the Urakami Cathedral, the largest Catholic church in East Asia at the time, which was completely destroyed.

• Casualties: Out of roughly 12,000 - 15,000 Catholics living in the immediate Urakami area, about 8,500 to 10,000 perished either instantly or from subsequent injuries.

• Historical Significance: Nagasaki’s Christian community had deep historical roots, having survived centuries of severe religious persecution and underground practice during Japan’s isolation period before worship was legalized in the 19th century.”

Have you not heard the story of Takashi Nagai?

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That’s a photograph of him. He survived the bombing.

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That’s a photograph with his wife and child. They did not survive the bombing.


Now that you’ve seen some faces, what difference, if any, does that make for you?

P.S.

A book recommendation for you.

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and the alternative, a full scale invasion of Japan proper, would have resulted in at least a million dead American Christian men.
 
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@Riven do you know what it is called when a civilian population is intentionally targeted for destruction?