The Insanity of the "right" to have guns!

[Grailhunter]

Of course Democrats vote at or near 100% of the time in agreement with each other. How else do you oppose the Satanic Republicans? They won't even debate gun legislation after the murders in Texas.

You so funny! LOL Why don't you explain that list?
I would like to see how you support that list.

 

[Grailhunter]

I wouldn't even consider going over these lies with you. Who is the father of lies (these included)? Satan, your boss.

The truth hurts!
So how can a Christian vote democrat?
Abortion
LBGTQ
Gun Control
Open borders---invasion of illegal aliens receiving government subsidies.
Against election security---No ID's required---illegal aliens voting---students on visas---ramped voter fraud
Support drug use --- pot stores---lenient on drug offenders
Soft on crime
Anti-law enforcement---defund the police
Reduction of the military
Support every give me – hand out program possible
Some strange brand of communism
Democrats against gas and shutdown pipelines
Anti-Christian---forbid assembly of churches---arrest pastors
Promoting the idea that if you are white and Christian, you are a white supremacist
Supported the BLM riots---BLM leaders declare they are Marxist and chat cuss words to Christ as they march---burn Bibles---and churches
Cancel culture---the democrat attack on all we value and hold good. Physical attack on landmarks. But salute those Pot stores and abortion clinics...LOL

Now we can go over these one at a time if you want.
Personally I consider it a sin for someone to vote for democrats, it is like voting for Satan.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Multiple people shot California church in Laguna Woods Orange County one person detained casualties | Daily Mail Online

Buffalo shooter targeted Black neighborhood, officials say

These MASS murders, and MANY more that we see on a regular basis, shows that it is both UNBIBLICAL and UNCHRISTIAN for anyone, especially if the are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, to own any form of weapon!

The US Constitution that allows for this is VERY WRONG!

Hmmmmm, -- I had to search Cristo Rei's RECENT POSTS to find this topic, and although I haven't read anything except the Opening Post, please allow me to clarify that some people adhere to the "world's view" of Christianity, and others FOLLOW SCRIPTURE.

So if we follow Scripture, and knowing that Jesus' LAST INSTRUCTIONS given to those left on earth before going to the Garden of Gethsemane, we should find the following:

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

So we find that we're to sell our most VALUABLE POSSESSION, in order to afford a "sword", which in modern vernacular is a firearm.

And it's important to recognize that some people risk bringing calamity upon their own head, and the heads of their family during the coming dangerous times, where when approached they should beat the suspect stranger to the punch by quickly asking if the government is passing out food, and if they're from the government. Secondly, when I was asked about the most dangerous animal where I live, -- I replied "humans". Thirdly, there's a saying regarding firearms and their propensity to malfunction when needed: TWO is ONE, and ONE is NONE. -- So plan your household accordingly, with a stocked Pantry (purse & bag) for some 3 months minimum; with self protection (sword); and your Spiritual Walk, -- because by my understanding of Bible Prophecy, we're some six months away from the END of the TRIBULATION.

Bobby Jo

 

[Taken]

I have done my "homework" and, unlike you, know the truth.

Did you mask, distance, stop going to church, get your vax?

 

[Taken]

Abortion is a medical and ethical decision, to be made by the woman, her family, and her caregiver. Not by the government.

BTW, this has nothing to do with the OP so I won't continue to try to educate you on this subject.

P.S. You're clearly under the control of the devil, buddy! If you think that's funny, that proves my point.

Your supporting evidence is “calling people who don’t hold your view”, Satan, Devil....?

That is typical of Democrats to call names, to avoid and deflect.

Perhaps you were educated in a Public indoctrination system.
Every US Government is an established Republic....not a Democracy!

 

[face2face]

Guns. The left wants to take them away. The right wants to leave them as is. In the US, we have a few issues that we cant agree on; abortion, same sex marriage, and guns.

what to do? What can you do? Only thing i know tonite, is 19 kids are with God, and the 18 yr old killer is in hell. The kids were in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th grades. This was especially rough for me as my sister is a reading specialist at an elementary school. She was a school teacher for 10 yrs before that. And i ask myself, what if it had been her school? Everytime we have a school shooting it causes me some anxiety.

i dont know what the answer is, but removing guns isnt it. We as a country would never allow that to happen, and so we carry on, hoping it will never happen again, but understanding that it could.

If only the doctrine of heaven going to Biblical all would be well but unfortunately it's not that simple.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

My next question is for all the liberals on this thread, lets say congress passes universal background checks, and 2 weeks later, theres another mass shooting. Then what? Lets say congress passes red flag laws, again 2 weeks later and another mass shooting. Then what?

and this is the state of affairs in the US. So lets say congress passes 2 new laws, they dont work, does that mean those 2 new laws will be removed? No, of course they wont. So you got more gun control that doesnt work. So why would we support more gun control after that?

im trying real hard to understand the lefts view of gun control, and what laws would actually work. And i see a huge disconnect between those 2 things. You dont put a band aid on your knee for a sore on your elbow, yet thats what gun control amounts to.

 

[FHII]

Hmmmmm, -- I had to search Cristo Rei's RECENT POSTS to find this topic, and although I haven't read anything except the Opening Post, please allow me to clarify that some people adhere to the "world's view" of Christianity, and others FOLLOW SCRIPTURE.

So if we follow Scripture, and knowing that Jesus' LAST INSTRUCTIONS given to those left on earth before going to the Garden of Gethsemane, we should find the following:

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

So we find that we're to sell our most VALUABLE POSSESSION, in order to afford a "sword", which in modern vernacular is a firearm.

And it's important to recognize that some people risk bringing calamity upon their own head, and the heads of their family during the coming dangerous times, where when approached they should beat the suspect stranger to the punch by quickly asking if the government is passing out food, and if they're from the government. Secondly, when I was asked about the most dangerous animal where I live, -- I replied "humans". Thirdly, there's a saying regarding firearms and their propensity to malfunction when need: TWO is ONE, and ONE is NONE. -- So plan your household accordingly, with a stocked Pantry (purse & bag) for some 3 months minimum; with self protection (sword); and your Spiritual Walk, -- because by my understanding of Bible Prophecy, we're some six months away from the END of the TRIBULATION.

Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo, I said almost the exact same thing earlier. I agree. The point about Jesus saying buy a sword, and the most dangerous animals being human.... Yea... I brought it up.

Not a knock on you... 900+ posts here so I don't blame you for missing mine! Heck, I even said I only read the OP too! Just showing my support for what you said.

I condemn violence and agree it would be a beautiful world if no weapons were needed. But it's not reality.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Hmmmmm, -- I had to search Cristo Rei's RECENT POSTS to find this topic, and although I haven't read anything except the Opening Post, please allow me to clarify that some people adhere to the "world's view" of Christianity, and others FOLLOW SCRIPTURE.

So if we follow Scripture, and knowing that Jesus' LAST INSTRUCTIONS given to those left on earth before going to the Garden of Gethsemane, we should find the following:

Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.​

So we find that we're to sell our most VALUABLE POSSESSION, in order to afford a "sword", which in modern vernacular is a firearm.

And it's important to recognize that some people risk bringing calamity upon their own head, and the heads of their family during the coming dangerous times, where when approached they should beat the suspect stranger to the punch by quickly asking if the government is passing out food, and if they're from the government. Secondly, when I was asked about the most dangerous animal where I live, -- I replied "humans". Thirdly, there's a saying regarding firearms and their propensity to malfunction when needed: TWO is ONE, and ONE is NONE. -- So plan your household accordingly, with a stocked Pantry (purse & bag) for some 3 months minimum; with self protection (sword); and your Spiritual Walk, -- because by my understanding of Bible Prophecy, we're some six months away from the END of the TRIBULATION.

Bobby Jo

do you think that the Bible has contradictions?

Matthew 26:52, "Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword"

 

[Bobby Jo]

... I condemn violence and agree it would be a beautiful world if no weapons were needed. But it's not reality.

I AGREE, and it's not only REALITY, it SCRIPTURAL, which should be focus of the views expressed!

And where some have argued that the Luke 22-36 "sword" doesn't apply to Christians, then we should ask why Jesus mentioned the Purse and the Bag. Was the Purse to BRIBE those who came to arrest Jesus; and did the Bag contain a Pillow, Blanket, and SNICKERS Bar?

ALL apply to the church until Jesus Returns, and so we must be as sufficient as possible, and THEN rely on GOD to meet any gaps.

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

do you think that the Bible has contradictions?

Matthew 26:52, "Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword"

Scripture has it's "contexts". And to dismiss one, in deference to another is UNSCRIPTURAL. -- Take for example where Dan. 1:21 says that Daniel continued UNTIL the FIRST Year of King Cyrus (when he DIED). But 10:1 says that Daniel was alive in the THIRD Year of Cyrus, King of Persia (while Daniel was still ALIVE).

Now the commentators choose to dismiss 1:21 in deference to 10:1, but I assert that BOTH are PERFECTLY CORRECT. So can YOU explain how BOTH are PERFECTLY CORRECT?

Bobby Jo

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Scripture has it's "contexts". And to dismiss one, in deference to another is UNSCRIPTURAL. -- Take for example where Dan. 1:21 says that Daniel continued UNTIL the FIRST Year of King Cyrus (when he DIED). But 10:1 says that Daniel was alive in the THIRD Year of Cyrus, King of Persia (while Daniel was still ALIVE).

Now the commentators choose to dismiss 1:21 in deference to 10:1, but I assert that BOTH are PERFECTLY CORRECT. So can YOU explain how BOTH are PERFECTLY CORRECT?

Bobby Jo

regarding the references to the "swords" in Matthew and Luke, it is clear that Jesus was saying in Luke, "it is enough" (Luke 22:38), not that 2 swords is all that they would need to defend themselves against a larger group of people. It is clear that when considered with Matthew's account, that Jesus means, stop talking about weapons to defend yourselves. In fact, this is clear from verse 53 of Matthew 26, "Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?". This follows, "Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword". It is by the MIGHT of the Lord that His Children are really protected!

 

[Cristo Rei]

Background checks sound like a great idea. Someone who is already convicted for an offence with a firearm should probably be prohibited from owning one... Right

But here is the catch.
1. The person can still go get a gun from the black market.
2. The government will take advantage and disallow guns for anyone who broke any law even if it's not a criminal offence.

That's what iv noticed in Australia.

 

[Cristo Rei]

At the end of the day many people own guns and never used it in sin. They own them for work, sport, farming, hunting and self defense.

Now. To assert that such people are unchristian is the most unchristian thing a person can do. It's passing judgement without even considering the case.

So to correct the OP you are still a Christan regardless if you own a weapon. Or of the OPs twisted opinion

Also kitchen knives and work tools can be used as weapons... According to the OP all will burn in the lake of fire...

Thankfully we have a more gracious God than the OP...

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Background checks sound like a great idea. Someone who is already convicted for an offence with a firearm should probably be prohibited from owning one... Right

But here is the catch.
1. The person can still go get a gun from the black market.
2. The government will take advantage and disallow guns for anyone who broke any law even if it's not a criminal offence.

That's what iv noticed in Australia.

here in the states, we already go through background checks. The reason background checks are such a big issue here is because there is no requirement to go through a background check if you buy a gun from someone who isnt a dealer in most states. So they want to make it so you have to go through a dealer even if you’re selling a gun to a family member. This is why i am so against a new law on background checks because we already have one. They call this the gun show loophole. But as you noted, criminals dont care about laws, and there are plenty of people willing to sell guns out the back of their cars.

 

[Cristo Rei]

here in the states, we already go through background checks. The reason background checks are such a big issue here is because there is no requirement to go through a background check if you buy a gun from someone who isnt a dealer in most states. So they want to make it so you have to go through a dealer even if you’re selling a gun to a family member. This is why i am so against a new law on background checks because we already have one. They call this the gun show loophole. But as you noted, criminals dont care about laws, and there are plenty of people willing to sell guns out the back of their cars.

I see. Many laws have ulterior motives.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Multiple people shot California church in Laguna Woods Orange County one person detained casualties | Daily Mail Online

Buffalo shooter targeted Black neighborhood, officials say

These MASS murders, and MANY more that we see on a regular basis, shows that it is both UNBIBLICAL and UNCHRISTIAN for anyone, especially if the are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, to own any form of weapon!

The US Constitution that allows for this is VERY WRONG!

The gun is NOT the problem. Most, if not all, of the school shooters in the US have mental illness. A lot of them are on psychotropic drugs. The problem America faces today is not guns; it's drug abuse and the over prescription of mood altering drugs given to children.

Also, consider that the police all carry weapons, but how long did it take for them to enter the school to engage the shooter? 40 minutes. Why? They were waiting for a SWAT team. What!? Where are the men? The real men. Again, the gun isn't the problem. It isn't the gun that makes the difference between life and death; it is the man holding the gun. The murderer was not a man, he was a boy with a mental illness. The police were not "men" they were cowards.

America is suffering from complacency, dependency, and cowardice.

@Pearl @Cristo Rei @Rita @mailmandan @MatthewG

 

[CadyandZoe]

I'm Australian and I think we have similar gun laws and that's debatable.
My objection in the op was with branding everyone with a weapon as unchristian.

I live in the United States. Here, our constitution guarantees our freedom, our God-given freedom. Our founders wanted to establish a nation where each individual had the ability to make moral choices according to conscience. Obviously, this carries great risk for those who participate in this system. Everyone knows, or should have known the risks and live life accordingly.

In our system, guns not only serve as the means of self-defense, they serve as a deterrent. In our system, criminals have reason to pause if they believe that the homeowner has a weapon. Criminals prefer to attack the easy target. If the schools had weapons on hand, trained to use them, mass shooters would go elsewhere or perhaps think twice about entering the school grounds. Gun-free zones are easy targets.

Not only is an armed populace a deterrent against criminals, they are a deterrent against a tyrannical government. As I understand it, Australia forgot that. She had gun laws similar to those in the US, no? Once Australia disarmed the populace, we see tyranny has arisen unopposed. The founding fathers of the United States understood the vital principle that an armed populace will cause despotic people to think twice.

This is why traitors in our government want to put restrictions on our right to arm ourselves. They want to impose anti-human, tyrannical, pressures on our people. We would be unwise to allow this to happen. At the moment, America is the only country standing in the way of delusional people like Klaus Schwab.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

The gun is NOT the problem. Most, if not all, of the school shooters in the US have mental illness. A lot of them are on psychotropic drugs. The problem America faces today is not guns; it's drug abuse and the over prescription of mood altering drugs given to children.

Also, consider that the police all carry weapons, but how long did it take for them to enter the school to engage the shooter? 40 minutes. Why? They were waiting for a SWAT team. What!? Where are the men? The real men. Again, the gun isn't the problem. It isn't the gun that makes the difference between life and death; it is the man holding the gun. The murderer was not a man, he was a boy with a mental illness. The police were not "men" they were cowards.

America is suffering from complacency, dependency, and cowardice.

@Pearl @Cristo Rei @Rita @mailmandan @MatthewG

we have people here in the UK who are supposed to be mentally ill, and on all sorts of drugs and hard drink. This problem is world-wide and not unique to the US. Yet, these mass shootings are very rare in countries outside the US?

It is the crazy gun culture in the US, with the powerful gun lobby, and the "right" to gun ownership in your Constitution, that is the main divining force of these continuted and frequent mass murders.

On this issue the US is well beyond hope, and will see even more of these mass killings, which the FBI have said have risen very greatly recently

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

they are a deterrent against a tyrannical government

so you don't live in a democratic country, where there are laws, and people who are elected to power/office?

It sounds that you have a lawless country, where the government is against its own people, and the people are against the government!

what a MESS!

How can the US really be a FREE country?, except for killings?