The Judgement of Nations: Millennium Proof
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True. Which is why the saints in the presence of Christ will not be coming down out of heaven with Him at His second coming. They will be rising from their graves.
The armies coming down into the air out of heaven with the Lord, are the angels, that He said He could call down during His kingdom on earth.
After meeting with His resurrected saints, they will then come down to earth to do battle around Armageddon.
This is a twist of Scripture to insert false doctrine.
He does not make war with 'unbelief', nor all unbelievers, but only against them that go out of their way to trouble the saints.
That of course will be them going out of their way to Judea to make war with the Lamb and His saints in the air.
LORD, how are they increased that trouble me! many are they that rise up against me.
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
If you are troubled that everyone is not saved, then try bearing witness to the goodness of Jesus Christ in our lives, rather than looking at everyone else not like you, as just so much wood for the fire.
Not everyone is trying to make trouble for Christians. There are those on earth, probably even in our own neighborhoods, that could care less about Christians at all, much less plotting and planning to make trouble for them.
I used to be like you, and see all people as evil, if not confessing Christ. I would never have taught about the Samaritan neighbor, like Jesus does, as a prime example of loving our neighbors. Because I was like the Jews, that despised all Samaritans.
In wishing all people to be destroyed on earth at the Lord's return, you show the same spirit I was in, as well as all the Jews that rejected Jesus, and look for another to come and kill off all other people, rather than saving some.
It's a wish you prophecy, not the Lord's.
I believe Job will see the Lord Himself standing on this earth, even as he prophesied.
I believe Abraham will also receive the land, that God personally promised to him.
It will be the auspicious beginning of the greatest kingdom of all nations on earth. That's probably because it will be the first and only one, that the prophets have been waiting for, ever since they prophesied the Lord doing so:
O let the nations be glad and sing for joy; for thou shalt judge the people righteously, and govern the nations upon earth. Selah.
Absolutely. Exactly one thousand years after He comes again to earth, plus a little season for Satan to make his last round up on earth.
Proof that there will be righteous people not killed at Armageddon, nor executed as goats:
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
If it were not possible for there to be any righteous among the wicked of Sodom, then the Lord would never have agreed to spare Sodom for the sake of the righteous.
The unrighteous prophecy of the Lord coming again to slay all people on earth, the righteous as well as the wicked, is a false prophecy of a false christ to come. That christ is the one the Lord will stop, as His first act of King and Judge over all the earth. Then He will go on to slay the armies in Judea without mercy.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
If it were not possible for there to be any righteous among the wicked of Sodom, then the Lord would never have agreed to spare Sodom for the sake of the righteous.
The unrighteous prophecy of the Lord coming again to slay all people on earth, the righteous as well as the wicked, is a false prophecy of a false christ to come. That christ is the one the Lord will stop, as His first act of King and Judge over all the earth. Then He will go on to slay the armies in Judea without mercy.
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
False prophets don't like simple. It's not complicated enough, so that people get to show others how smart they are in figuring something out.
Whereas any child can understand the plain meaning of words, by just reading them as written.
Always inserting you're own ideology.
He separates them that visited the least of His, from them that did not.
Believing Christians are not the only ones charitably visiting the sick and in prison.
In fact, them of other religions or no religion at all, put some Christians to shame, when it comes to neighborliness and kindness.
Some Christians are too caught up in dreaming about all people not like themselves, being killed.
They are called His sheep, because they visited His people. They didn't even know Him nor His people. They were just visiting the sick and in prison.
Saints aren't resurrected to be judged good or evil. If they are judged evil, then they don't meet Him in the air at all, but are left on earth with hypocrites such as themselves.
To have our ministerial works judged, not our lives. If we die evil in this life, we are not resurrected with the saints unto eternal life.
True. That is the rest of the dead after Christ's Millennium on earth. It will also include those saved during His reign over all nations.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
True. The rest of the dead aft erthe first resurrection of all saints at His second coming.
All the rest of the dead are judged after Christ's Millinium. There are none raised living to be judged.
You doctrine is false, because your prophecy is false.
Not all, since He will rule them with rod of iron, as well has His resurrected saints over all nations remain alive and uncondemned as goats.
Despite your fervent wish for death, there will be plenty of righteous people newly born again and saved at His judgment of nations, to enter into His everlasting kingdom as we do now, as well as His thousand year kingdom rule one earth.
It's the nations left alive on earth that are judged on earth, not the resurrected saints judging them with Him.
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Those of the nations judged, will enter into life or executed.
Nope. Your bible is not God's Bible.
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Then hear thou in heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, condemning the wicked, to bring his way upon his head; and justifying the righteous, to give him according to his righteousness.
The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.
There are the righteous and wicked among believers and unbelievers alike.
Only the righteous believers confessing Jesus are saved. The rest are just good neighbors with integrity in their business and affairs.
They make some Christians look like goats.
Your scripture is not God's Scripture. Neither is your prophecy.
It's the nations left alive on earth that are judged on earth, not the resurrected saints judging them with Him.
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Amill does not believe any righteous people are killed at the second coming. They wrongly believe all the unrighteous are killed when scripture only presents the army of the beasts and the beasts as being killed/destroyed while scripture is clear many of the nations are not even targeted but rather saved to be ruled over. They are the civilians of the beast system not the military. A man might be in the army and die at Armageddon but his wife and 4 children were back at home. They are not killed by Christ and no, not everyone is required to take the mark.
Exactly. They are all gathered from among the nations to make active war against the Lamb in one place. Beforehand, they have been going out of their way to persecute the saints. Once the saints are gone into the air, they then go after their Lord. They are driven mad as Pharoah running his army down to the Red Sea bed.
Not everyone on earth seeks to persecute anyone else, nor declare open war with God.
And pseudio-millennials won't allow that. They must be hounded down for bludgeoning after the war.
Their spirit is an ungodly desire for world-wide genocide. Until of course they are asked to participate.
True. Only those rulers under the beast's sway will enforce the rule.
Spiritual Israelite
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Yes, it is. Your rhetoric does nothing but show your desperation. You are so desperate to cling to your false doctrine that you will stoop as low as possible to try to make yourself look better, including making insults like this. It's not working, buddy.
What? That is nonsense. The scripture you quoted does not say what you are saying. No unbeliever would be called "righteous" in scripture and no believer would be called "wicked" in scripture. You clearly have no discernment whatsoever.
You're making things up. That's all you can do. You were saying that it's a judgment of nations. It's not. Scripture never teaches that entire nations will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world and scirpture never teaches that entire nations will be cast "into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels". Why can't you acknowledge this?
Statements like this just show how childish you are. They do nothing to support your case whatsoever.
Where does scripture teach that nations, rather than individuals, will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the earth which is what Jesus said the sheep will inherit? And where does scripture teach that nations, rather than individuals, will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"?
Spiritual Israelite
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This is a blatant lie. No, it does not only present "the army of the beasts and the beasts" being killed/destroyed. Take a closer look.
Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”
This first mentions the army of the beasts "kings, generals, and the mighty", etc. but then expands out to "all people, free and slave, great and small". You should be ashamed of yourself for blatantly leaving that part out.
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Wow. Are you trying to tell us that you believe that the sheep include non-Christians??!! You think non-Christians will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world as Jesus said regarding the sheep?
jeffweeder
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The souls of those who have died in Christ come with him, and they will rise to be Glorified.
This is what the text is clearly saying. They are not Angels. Just read the text more closely.
1Thess 4
13 Now we do not want you to be uninformed, believers, about those who are asleep [in death], so that you will not grieve [for them] as the others do who have no hope [beyond this present life]. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again [as in fact He did], even so God [in this same way—by raising them from the dead] will bring with Him those [believers] who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
Again, read the text more closely to see who he taking eternal vengeance on...,
2Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].
As Us Amills have repeated pointed out to you...We do not wish it. Its a clearly stated fact in the scripture bolded for you above.
Today is the day of salvation. We must be ready for his coming tomorrow, by responding to Gospel, otherwise we will perish.
Matt 24
Be Ready for His Coming
42 “So be alert [give strict attention, be cautious and active in faith], for you do not know which day [whether near or far] your Lord is coming. 43 But understand this: If the head of the house had known what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore, you [who follow Me] must also be ready; because the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him.45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his master has put in charge of his household to give the others [in the house] their food and supplies at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that [faithful] servant when his master returns and finds him doing so. 47 I assure you and most solemnly say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that servant is evil and says in his heart, ‘My master is taking his time [he will not return for a long while],’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware, 51 and will cut him in two and put him with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger].
2Pet 3
Regarding his coming....,
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord does not delay [as though He were unable to act] and is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is [extraordinarily] patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
Your Symbol Man's Bible is not God's Bible.
Nor is your symbolic spirit-only millennium, the Millennium of Jesus to come.
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
This is the only Millennium of Christ on earth, that His resurrected saints ruling the nations with power and rod of iron.
Your fairy sprite 'reigning' in heaven and earth and today, is a fable only.
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
Not in your fantasy bible of unsurpassed despite for all people not like yourself:
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
When the unbelievers do by nature, what is commanded by God, then they are judged as doing right by the Lord.
When Jesus used the Samaritan as a good example of loving our neighbors. He did so on purpose, to show His own people, that doing good is not reserved solely to those that confess His name.
Although you would never care for a sick Muslim, there are kindly people who care for others, no matter what their religious affiliation.
It's called common compassion and natural feeling for others, whether human or animal.
Being OSAS, it's no surprise you saying all believers are saved and justified by faith alone, and so can never again be condemned with the wicked, even when do evil.
The sinful believers left on earth after the resurrection into the air, will either repent or be judged guilty along with the rest of the goats.
His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Wicked and slothful.
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And evil.
The thief in the night is only for the hypocrites. The world itself isn't even looking for Him to come again.
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
He will judge the nations.
This is proof, that once someone begins to reject plain words of Scripture, and become false prophets, they loose normal reasoning of any child.
God judges the individuals for their own deeds. He doesn't judge by group affiliation and nationality.
He judges all the nations together, and separates the sheep and goats from among them, by their personal deeds. All that will be left to rule over, will be the nations with sheep only.
Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
He judges the people of the earth and the nations, not the earth itself, nor a national group.
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Not once they see the Lord for themselves. When He comes in the air for all eyes to see. All on earth will become believers by sight.
Only them having been neighborly in time of need, will be saved and allowed to be nations for Him to rule. The new goat believers will be executed. Those gathered to war with Him, will be slaughtered without mercy.
If you think there are no sheep on earth, other than Christians, try telling that to the wolves that prey upon all innocents.
Your pride blinds you to one simple truth: the Samaritan was not a disciple of Christ, nor believing Jew, but the best example of neighborliness the Lord gave to His own people.
Your Jewish disdain for all other people not like you, is an unkindly and churlish manner of spirit.
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Your love only for them like you, is condemned by Jesus. It's the reason why you falsely prophecy a killing off of all flesh at the Lord's return, and adamantly despise the truth of His Millennium, that it will be the greatest harvest of souls to Himself ever on earth.
Not when He comes in His resurrected body.
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
The resurrected saints will rise to meet them in the air, and then the Lord, His saints, and armies of angels out of heaven, will descend to the earth to do war around Judea.
From the air.
As the Scripture says, only those that distress the sheep, as well as gather from among all nations to make war with Him.
Not the rest, that mind their own business, and want nothing to do with fighting the Lord in the air.
But since you refuse to take part in some supposed killing of all flesh, then you will not be ruling alongside with Him, with rod of iron. Therefore, you will not be in the resurrection to do so.
True. That will be the neighborly natural sheep, that visit the sick through the plagues.
They will be allowed to repent, when they see Him, and be saved into His heavenly kingdom, and His reign on earth.
He will begin ruling all nations,, that will are now only newborn Christians. Like the Israelites entering into the promised land of old, their children will choose for themselves to love the King or not.
jeffweeder
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This is weird.
What other body do you think he will come back in??
Scripture and verse please..
The Lord comes again with great power and glory with his Angels.
This Glory he comes in is the Glory of his Father...,
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory and majesty of His Father with His angels, and then He will repay each one in accordance with what he has done.
He will come out of heaven with His resurrected body.
The saints will rise up to meet Him in the air from the earth, with their resurrected bodies.
Which are the armies coming with Him out of heaven.
Here is where your spirit-only reigning is tied to OSAS.
You doctrinally think you are now reigning with Him spiritually in heaven, so that it is a done deal, that you will of course come again to earth with Him out of heaven.
You bypass needing to endure temptation unto the end of your life on earth, in order to attain to the resurrection of the dead.
By doctrine alone, you have made yourself already spiritually reigning with Christ forever, so that you only await your resurrected body.
What you do, is say you are already the dead in Christ present with the Lord in heaven, while your body remains alive back on earth.
And so, the real mystery of your pseudo millennial reign in heaven and earth, is that you make yourself as one of them souls in the presence of the Lord, as though you had already ended your race, and your body were dead.
Radical OSAS teaches the same error, by saying their bodies are now dead, as being the old man of sin, while their souls sit preserved forever in heavenly places of heaven.
It's all very delusional, based solely upon a doctrinal-only salvation and justification.
Some Christians really do think they can come up with some doctrinal formula, that somehow ensures their bodily resurrection with Christ, while wilfully bypassing doing anything to ensure we never fall, and add virtue and godliness to our faith.
I stand by Peter, that says we must do those things to ensure our part in the first resurrection, and James who says we must add works to faith to be justified by Christ.
Stand alone salvation and justification by faith alone, is a doctrinal-only stasis, that exists only in the minds of decieved ongoing sinners.
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Not resurrected bodies since they never die physically.
The resurrected are not raptured.
The raptured are not resurrected.
Only the dead are resurrected.
Only the living are raptured.
True. To be more specific, the dead in Christ will have their dead bodies resurrected, and them alive will be instantly changed to immortal.
They al then rise to meet the Lord in the air together.
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