The Judgement of Nations: Millennium Proof

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Timtofly

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If you say the resurrection is a new and different immortal body, and the new immortal body is already in heaven, then you say the new and different immortal body is already resurrected.

Unless you want to separate the resurrection of the body, from when the body is made immortal in heaven.

Is it therefore spirit-only waiting in heaven? Not real? Not yet in the resurrection?
This is the whole point you both are missing. Putting on immortality is putting on the spirit. Those currently in Paradise are only soul and body.

Putting on incorruption is putting on a physical body. Putting on immortality is putting on the spirit.

The OT were already resurrected at the Cross into a permanent incorruptible physical body. They are soul and body. All who have left earth as a soul, entered Paradise in a permanent incorruptible physical body.

The restoration of the spirit happens at the 5th and 6th Seal being opened. That is the putting on of immortality for the entire church who meet together in the air. That happens at the same instant of the Second Coming, the 6th Seal. The 5th and 6th Seal is the rapture and Second Coming moment Paul describes. They happen instantly at the same time. There is no event on earth at these two seals being opened, like was mentioned for the 4 horses, events on earth. The 7th Seal is Jesus already sitting on the throne in Jerusalem in the Temple just created, per Matthew 25:31.

But we know according to 2 Peter 3, that all the works of man are all burned up at the opening of the 6th Seal. The angels all come to earth as the stars all come to earth when the firmament is dissolved.

The body is never made immortal. It is made an incorruptible body. The spirit gives us the image of God, a spirit and light. God is both in physical creation. Putting on the spirit is putting on immortality, or God's image, the spirit. Mortal is the image of death. Immortality is the image of Life, of God. The spirit goes on over the physical body, it is not the physical body.
 

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Not me. The bible refers to them as the dead. Yes their souls are alive but it is scriptural to also call them the dead because they did die.
The dead are those not redeemed, because in life they were never spiritually born from above. It is not "having a body" or "not having one". The dead were never born of the Spirit. All are dead in Adam's dead state, until they accept the gift of eternal life, the second birth.

Once born from above, you cannot unbirth yourself. You only acknowledge that you are spiritually born, the second birth. At the point of the second birth, you are no longer part of those called the dead. No redeemed person stands with the dead at the GWT judgment in Revelation 20. If any of the dead chose to remain in the Lamb's book of life, that is when they are physically resurrected, and spiritually born from above at the same time. Otherwise they are still the dead cast into the LOF.
 

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Twice now you haven't addressed the fact that Jesus the righteous, is resurrected with His old dead body. And He is our example to be also resurrected in the likeness of His resurrection.

You can take your time, but I will be looking for an answer.
Not me. The bible refers to them as the dead. Yes their souls are alive but it is scriptural to also call them the dead because they did die.

This is our fundamental disagreement, because Jesus says those that believe and obey Him, are alive and shall not die. The spiritual man knows this refers to the soul only, since the body does still dies naturally.

The dead in Christ of the righteous, cannot be the soul, which has not died, because souls only die by disobeying Christ.

By saying the souls in the presence of the Lord have 'died', you are saying they have sinned against God.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die.

This is a fundamental principle of the doctrine of Christ, to make difference between the spiritual death of the soul, and the natural death of the body.


The souls of the wicked are alive too,
Once again, you're not making Scriptural difference between the righteous soul, that is alive in Christ, and the sinning soul, that is dead apart from Christ.


according to Christ when he spoke of the rich man.

He was speaking and in torment, but not alive in Christ nor to God, nor in His fellowship. He still has knowledge and awareness, but not alive to God.

Abraham and Lazarus were alive to God, not the rich man.

God is the God of the living Abraham and Lazarus, not the God of the rich man spiritually dead to Him.


1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

We'll continue to disagree down every line of Scripture. The dead bodies shall rise first.

Only living souls are in Christ, both in this life, and in the presence of the Lord, departing from the dead body.
 

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We are guessing at all of this.
It's your doctrine, not mine. I'm just seeing how far you've thought it thru.

More than likely God already knows who shall be saved and who won't be and has the right amount of the new bodies in heaven.

If that is the case, then you must amend your doctrine, and say those reserved immortal bodies are only for those, that God knows will endure to the end. He does not make immortal bodies, for those He knows will turn back.

Otherwise it is a kind of OSAS teaching, that once the immortal body is made for each and every soul, that confesses Christ, then there is no need to endure to the end. If they are made for everyone being saved, then something must be done with those bodies, if not saved in the end.

If nothing needs be done with them, then are not real in the first place.

Are you disputing that Paul taught the new bodies are in heaven?

Of course. Already showed why. As I said, you're not acknowledging my rebuttals, much less trying to refute them.
The first resurrection is the saved. The second resurrection is the wicked.
Partly agree. The first resurrection is the saved at His coming again. The rest of the dead include them during His Millennium, in which many shall be saved. And includes all the wicked since Cain, through the Millennium, and them devoured among Gog and Magog.

That is where Daniel speaks of one resurrection of the dead, where some are unto everlasting life, and some unto everlasting shame. That is the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked to be judged by works, as either being in the Lamb's book of Life, or cast into the LOF.

The first resurrection at His coming is only the saved.
 

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The first resurrection at His coming is only the saved.
When Jesus Returns, He will bring back to life, the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 year period of world satanic control. Only them and they go back into their mortal bodies. These are the plain Words of Revelation 20:4-6.
Any other theory, or fanciful notion is false and cannot happen.

Jesus will Judge and punish the nations at His Return - it is called the Battle of Armageddon. The ungodly people will die, as described in Zechariah 14:12 & Revelation 19:21
But they too, will rise again at the Great White Throne Judgment, a thousand years later. For them- annihilation, for those whose names are found in the Book of Life - immortality and Eternity with God.
 

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Where does scripture teach that nations, rather than individuals, will inherit eternal life (Matt 25:46) in the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34)?

Where does scripture teach that nations, rather than individuals, will be cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41)?

All other scripture teaches that these things relate to individual believers and individual unbelievers, so why would Matthew 25:31-46 be any different from other scripture? Is it important to you to interpret this passage in such a way that it doesn't contradict other scripture?
The word nation itself! When it is "ethnos" it is speaking of the people of a physical nation.

So when Jesus judges teh nations (ethnos, people) it seems to say He will take the Americans and then judge them one by one and then teh Mexicans etc.
 

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When Jesus Returns, He will bring back to life, the martyrs killed during the 3 1/2 year period of world satanic control. Only them and they go back into their mortal bodies. These are the plain Words of Revelation 20:4-6.

So, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job, David, Paul, Peter, Stephen, etc... won't be blessed with the first resurrection and reign with Christ on earth.

Oh wait. Job will see Him with his eyes standing on the earth. Abraham will be given the land he walked on. And David's throne will be sat upon by the Lord Himself.

Sorry. Beheaded is the word used for all the new men, who crucify the old man and life of sin, and hold to our new Head Christ Jesus.
Jesus will Judge and punish the nations at His Return - it is called the Battle of Armageddon. The ungodly people will die, as described in Zechariah 14:12 & Revelation 19:21
True.

But they too, will rise again at the Great White Throne Judgment, a thousand years later. For them- annihilation,
No oblivionidas.

for those whose names are found in the Book of Life - immortality and Eternity with God.
True. They will join all the saints first resurrected at His second coming, from righteous Abel, to the last saint standing on earth.

Them alive and remaining will be changed with them resurrected, and all will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.

I really don't know why people insist on ignoring plain Scripture, just to teach something special of their own. Why can't we just be normal sheep teaching normal Scripture, and be satisfied with that?
 

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Twice now you haven't addressed the fact that Jesus the righteous, is resurrected with His old dead body. And He is our example to be also resurrected in the likeness of His resurrection.


Likeness, not exact in every detail. The dead shall rise as immortals, like Christ. Christ's body did not rot into the dust like most of the dead did. I've brought these things up but you have twice or more ignored them. How many will retain scars? How many of the dead bopdies will not have started the rotting process like Christ? None?

This is our fundamental disagreement, because Jesus says those that believe and obey Him, are alive and shall not die. The spiritual man knows this refers to the soul only, since the body does still dies naturally.

Christ spoke of full and complete death not partial death. Still, scripture refers to the dead in Christ, so using the term dead is fully appropriate.


The dead in Christ of the righteous, cannot be the soul, which has not died, because souls only die by disobeying Christ.

By saying the souls in the presence of the Lord have 'died', you are saying they have sinned against God.


All of this is a strawman fallacy.


The dead bodies shall rise first.

Paul said they have bodies in heaven so I will go with that and not your dead body belief.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
 

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Partly agree. The first resurrection is the saved at His coming again. The rest of the dead include them during His Millennium, in which many shall be saved. And includes all the wicked since Cain, through the Millennium, and them devoured among Gog and Magog.

That is where Daniel speaks of one resurrection of the dead, where some are unto everlasting life, and some unto everlasting shame. That is the resurrection of the righteous and the wicked to be judged by works, as either being in the Lamb's book of Life, or cast into the LOF.

The first resurrection at His coming is only the saved.


Sounds like you have at least 3 resurrections, one at the second coming, one during or at a later time for the Millennial dead, then the unsaved dead. I don't see that in scripture. I only see the first resurrection for all the saved dead, then one more resurrection for the unsaved.
 
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So, Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job, David, Paul, Peter, Stephen, etc... won't be blessed with the first resurrection and reign with Christ on earth.
No, they won't. All the dead await the GWT Judgment. David 'sleeps', Acts 13:36, Job 14:12 lies down, never to rise until the heavens be no more,
The idea of immortal people mingling with mortals in the Millennium is impossible. The Millennium is primarily the reward to Jesus from God. Psalms 2:8-9, Isaiah 2:2-5
Them alive and remaining will be changed with them resurrected, and all will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.

I really don't know why people insist on ignoring plain Scripture, just to teach something special of their own. Why can't we just be normal sheep teaching normal Scripture, and be satisfied with that?
You are guilty of just that.
1 Thess 4:17 does not say anyone will get 'changed', when Jesus Returns. The Prophecy which says we shall be changed; 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is for what will happen at the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
 

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The idea of immortal people mingling with mortals in the Millennium is impossible.

Saying it is impossible isn't good enough. It has been done already, an immortal Jesus "mingled" with mortals. It will happen again, an immortal Jesus and his immortal priests will exist on the same Earth as mortals.


Here immortality comes LONG before the last throne judgment:

Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Just as the other scriptures show, immortality comes at the second coming.

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

The word "incorruption" here is the same exact word "immortality" in 1Co 15:53 which proves when the saved dead resurrect, they are immortal.


The dead rise at the second coming and that is also when immortality takes place.


Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

This is a second coming reference.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

And as all the previous scriptures affirm, the bodies of the righteous will be changed to be like His body and that is when immortality is received.
 

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And as all the previous scriptures affirm, the bodies of the righteous will be changed to be like His body and that is when immortality is received.
Dream on!
Revelation 20:11-15 describes the time when the Book of Life is opened and only then will any human receive Immortality.
Using Jesus as your example, is foolishness, as Jesus was with God when the earth was made. Proverbs 8:22-31
 

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Dream on!
Revelation 20:11-15 describes the time when the Book of Life is opened and only then will any human receive Immortality.
Using Jesus as your example, is foolishness, as Jesus was with God when the earth was made. Proverbs 8:22-31


The scriptures I cited support what I said. Yours do not. You are only adding unsupported opinion next to a scripture as if the two were in any way related such as your second sentence.
 

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The word nation itself! When it is "ethnos" it is speaking of the people of a physical nation.
Don't be so ignorant. The word has several different definitions including "pagans", "heathen" and people in general. When it talks about condemning the "ethnos" to "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels", it's talking about individual unbelievers. It's talking about those whose names are not written in the book of life being condemned just like Revelation 20:15.

So when Jesus judges teh nations (ethnos, people) it seems to say He will take the Americans and then judge them one by one and then teh Mexicans etc.
LOL. That is ridiculous. It is not saying that at all. It's talking about all unbelievers from all-time being judged at the same time just like Revelation 20:15.
 

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LOL. That is ridiculous. It is not saying that at all. It's talking about all unbelievers from all-time being judged at the same time just like Revelation 20:15.
LOL. That is ridiculous. Are you saying unbelievers will be made righteous at that point?

See how pointless these comments are?

Revelation 20:15 is about the physically dead in Death and in sheol, as both locations are emptied out, of the dead.

Now, my point.

Nations is used to signify these people are still alive and not in Death, nor in sheol. As the goats are tossed alive into the LOF.

"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:"

The LOF is the only everlasting fire, as both Death and sheol come to an end and are cast into the LOF as well.

Why are you avoiding the point these nations are still alive in Adam's dead corruptible flesh? Who are the dead in Christ anyway?

If the dead in Christ are only those physically dead, then at what point are they not dead? Certainly not spiritually alive, if they cannot even be physically alive.

Now one could say the dead in Christ is only spiritual. Meaning us alive on earth are physically alive, spiritually alive, but still mortal in the state of death. We on earth are the only one's dead in Christ if you claim the resurrection is the second birth and not physical at all.

Were the OT redeemed in Abraham's bosom physically dead in Christ or spiritually dead in Christ? You want to deny the first resurrection is merely physical, then cannot even describe what it means to be dead in Christ while on earth, much less with God in Paradise. Since the Cross no one has been separated from God, but has enjoyed His presence the whole time in Paradise, who have physically left the earth. And they do so physically as they have a permanent physical body that is incorruptible. They certainly are not the dead in Christ. They are more alive than we are, and more so since your physical resurrection you call the spiritual birth still leaves you in a state of death, instead of giving you a permanent incorruptible physical body.

The dead in Christ can only mean the state of the soul prior to a physical resurrection. Those in Abraham's bosom were still in a state of death, and were the dead in Christ. But no longer, because the Cross physically raised them from that state of death. Did they have the second birth? If they did not have it because it was only available post the Cross, they certainly have it now, because they would not be in God's presence without having both a spiritual birth and a physical resurrection. Why would Paradise be only half open? Why would there be an automatic second birth, but not being able to enjoy Paradise physically?

Jesus ascended physically into Paradise to show us that Paradise was physical. Not that He had to leave His physical body behind, and put it back on the next visit to earth. Obviously the ascension of the OT redeemed with Jesus was never experienced by any of those on earth.

"And came out of the graves after his resurrection."

Sounds permanent to me, and no mention they lived out their lives on earth and died again as a NT redeemed soul. If they permanently left their graves like Jesus did after His resurrection, why not ascend with Jesus like Jesus did after His physical resurrection?

Jesus would not have left a single soul in Abraham's bosom, but not all were buried in Jerusalem. Just like at the Second Coming all on earth will rise, not just those living in Jerusalem. So wherever on earth they were when they came out of their graves, they still ascended with Christ into physical Paradise, physically. They were not literally the dead in Christ.

Why should we keep referring to them as the dead in Christ? Especially if you claim they were not in Christ, as that is a post Cross position of the church. They were literally in Abraham. They had faith as they obeyed God in the task He gave each and every one who made it to Abraham's bosom. Now they are in Christ in Paradise, and there physically, not dead, but alive. In this case sleep or death means no longer present on earth, not that they are in a state of death.

That also means we are in a state of death, and we literally are the only ones dead in Christ. Once again, death is only physical in the case of those in Christ, as the spiritual birth makes us spiritually alive, and no longer separated from God spiritually. But it is a birth, because there is no spiritual state of death prior to a spiritual birth. A birth is going from nothing to something, not a dead state to a living state. We are still in a dead mortal body, and physical death is not the cessation of life into nothing. Death is the change of soul from one body to another body. The soul no longer has to wait for a physical body in Abraham's bosom.

The point is that these people standing in Judgment are not in Christ prior to them becoming a sheep or a goat. The sheep are unbelievers made righteous, hence they become sheep. The goats are not made righteous, hence they end up in the everlasting fire. They are the physically alive dead, but certainly not those physically dead from sheol. They are called out of all nations so still physically alive on the earth after the Second Coming. No, we are not told how long it takes. This will occur during the first 6 Trumpets. And the angels are moving people around, because all humans works were all burned up and incinerated at the Second Coming. That climactic and wholesale destruction you all Amil like to talk about, but don't think any one can live through. They do, because angels gather them from every nation on earth, and deliver them to Jerusalem to be judged. That is what Trumpets do for Israel. It is a call to assembly. Each Trumpet call gets more dire on earth, and the 5th and 6th Trumpets add Satan doing a woe on earth as well. Remember Job and the progression of woe? 6 Trumpets worth of progression.
 

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Don't be so ignorant. The word has several different definitions including "pagans", "heathen" and people in general. When it talks about condemning the "ethnos" to "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels", it's talking about individual unbelievers. It's talking about those whose names are not written in the book of life being condemned just like Revelation 20:15.


LOL. That is ridiculous. It is not saying that at all. It's talking about all unbelievers from all-time being judged at the same time just like Revelation 20:15.
I agree it is individuals, But the judgment of the "ethnos" which occurs at jesus return is the peoples of a nation for the millenial kingdom.

And the lost are all judged before teh great white throne. But the judgment of nations:

Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Occurs when He physically returns and is for the purpose of entrance into the millenial kingdom.
 

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I agree it is individuals
Well, why didn't you make that clear in the first place? You gave the impression that it is nations being judged. Ugh.

, But the judgment of the "ethnos" which occurs at jesus return is the peoples of a nation for the millenial kingdom.
What does this mean? The passage indicates that the sheep (the righteous) inherit "eternal life" in "the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" at that time. Is the millennial kingdom an eternal kingdom? Not from your Premil perspective, right? So, how does your understanding line up with the passage itself indicating that they will be inheriting an eternal kingdom?

Also, where does scripture ever indicate that mortal people will be inheriting the kingdom of God? That contradicts what Paul wrote:

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

So, how do you reconcile your understanding of mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns with Paul saying that mortal "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"?

And the lost are all judged before teh great white throne. But the judgment of nations:

Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Occurs when He physically returns and is for the purpose of entrance into the millenial kingdom.
Where is there any indication of that, though? And what happens to the goats who do not inherit the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world?

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

What is the difference between what is described in Matthew 25:41 and what is described here:

Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
 
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LOL. That is ridiculous. Are you saying unbelievers will be made righteous at that point?
Of course I'm not saying that. Why would you ask such a dumb question?

See how pointless these comments are?
It's only your comments that are pointless. You asked a ridiculous question about what I was saying as if there would be any possibility that I would say something stupid like saying that "unbelievers will be made righteous at that point"? Does Matthew 25:41 give the impression that they will be made righteous at that point? Clearly not. It's just impossible to take you seriously.
 
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The idea of immortal people mingling with mortals in the Millennium is impossible.
This is where you depart from Scripture.

For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Jesus and angels mingled with Abraham, and angels mingled in Sodom.

Angels mingle with men unawares.

Jesus mingled with disciples for 40 days.

The first resurrected mingle of thousand years, including the Lord.


The Millennium is primarily the reward to Jesus from God. Psalms 2:8-9, Isaiah 2:2-5
Who mingles for a thousand years as King in Jerusalem.

Your 'primarily' acknowledges His resurrected saints ruling and mingling with Him

1 Thess 4:17 does not say anyone will get 'changed', when Jesus Returns.
Jesus returns into the air, where every eye on earth shall see Him and wail because of Him. It's how He begins His Millinium.

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Resurrected and changed together.
The Prophecy which says we shall be changed; 1 Corinthians 15:50-56, is for what will happen at the GWT Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the same trump of the Lord descending to earth a second time.

With your personal rule of impossibilities, about what God can and cannot do, you showed your own prophecy, not God's.

God will dwell with man in new Jerusalem, and the saved nations will flow unto it to be with God and the Lamb.
 

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Of course I'm not saying that. Why would you ask such a dumb question?


It's only your comments that are pointless. You asked a ridiculous question about what I was saying as if there would be any possibility that I would say something stupid like saying that "unbelievers will be made righteous at that point"? Does Matthew 25:41 give the impression that they will be made righteous at that point? Clearly not. It's just impossible to take you seriously.
What is ridiculous is your claim those in Matthew 25:32 are unbelievers from all time.
LOL. That is ridiculous. It is not saying that at all. It's talking about all unbelievers from all-time being judged at the same time just like Revelation 20:15.

That is your direct quote interpreting this verse:

"And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:"

Some of them are sheep, not "unbelievers from all time". Jesus redeems them from being unbelievers to being made righteous at the Second Coming.