The Kingdom of God.... Is it within you?

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No, the physical land of the church is Paradise. We are ambassadors on the earth. We are not a nation on the earth. Israel is a nation on the earth. Israel does not have to be spiritual to be a physical nation.

Israel does have a physical nation. Why do you keep denying that point?

Prior to 720 BC, Israel was to be both spiritual, set apart to God, and a physical nation, because earth was their only land possession. They did not have to stop being spiritual as ambassadors of God. After the Cross, Israel did have a country to represent. The one they had looked for by faith, for thousands of years.

Now Israel has part of their earthly land restored. But there will not be peace until their King returns and establishes rule on the earth. Land is most definitely relative to any nation on the earth, spiritual or not. Any nation could have been spiritual. Being spiritual is not the cause of a nation's downfall.
Spare us the surfeit of private opinion.

Ever hear of Scripture?

Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

I Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Stop trying to replace the Holy Nation of the Church ("replacement ideology") with the unholy abomination of unregenerate Israel.
 
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The fullness of the Gentiles means how many are redeemed out of mankind's dead corruptible nature. The fulness of the Gentiles is how many become part of the church until the Second Coming. Romans 11:24-27
Unless you have the second coming the last day of earth, that means John 3:16 becomes false. It really should say For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that for a limited time only whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 

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I’m not sure what you’re saying, is it that currently people have the free will to choose Christ or not but after the second coming it switches to election? Or are you saying there is no free will at all? Or are you saying there’s some kind of hybrid model where God has to choose a person first then it’s up to that person to use their free will to choose or reject God’s choice?
Free will has nothing to do with accepting Christ. But salvation is free to all.

Faith is removed at the Second Coming. All will have spiritual sight on earth after the Second Coming.

The 12 disciples were chosen. They could have walked away. I don't think they wanted to after the Day of Pentecost. So when they received the Holy Spirit, did they loose free will? No. Paul still chose to crucify the flesh daily.

Election is the largest group of redeemed. Personally I don't think those currently in sheol have lost their election. The odds is that every day spent in sheol, cements their rejection of God. Those removed from Adam's death is the smallest group of redeemed.

Those born in the Millennium do not need redemption. No one is in a state of death. They still have free will. Obedience/disobedience cannot work without free will. Why demand Obedience if no one can choose to obey or not.
 

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Those born in the Millennium do not need redemption. No one is in a state of death. They still have free will. Obedience/disobedience cannot work without free will. Why demand Obedience if no one can choose to obey or not.
I don’t want to debate free will here but currently someone who believes in election might say something like everyone has a choice but nobody can choose life when they are dead in sin.

In your millennium someone might say there is a choice but nobody can choose sin when they are alive in Christ.

Either way there’s no free will.
 

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Spare us the surfeit of private opinion.

Ever hear of Scripture?

Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

I Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Stop trying to replace the Holy Nation of the Church ("replacement ideology") with the unholy abomination of unregenerate Israel.
You cannot even read. The church as a nation is in Paradise. What does that have to do with the earth at all?


Stop replacing Paradise with a nation on the earth.
 

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Unless you have the second coming the last day of earth, that means John 3:16 becomes false. It really should say For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that for a limited time only whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Well, do you think people will keep getting saved for all of eternity? Don't you, yourself set a time limit?

What does a last day on earth have to do with my post?
 

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I don’t want to debate free will here but currently someone who believes in election might say something like everyone has a choice but nobody can choose life when they are dead in sin.

In your millennium someone might say there is a choice but nobody can choose sin when they are alive in Christ.

Either way there’s no free will.
Free will is the ability to choose.

Did Adam have free will, even if it was just one simple choice?

Free will is not just the ability of what to choose to eat for supper.

Unless you are in a prison when all they serve is the same bowl of mush every single meal. Your only choice is to eat or not. Eventually one may even loose that choice.

Free will does not mean one gets to do as they please. Free will is about not be forced to do something. God does not force any soul to be redeemed. Some like Moses may have less of a decision to make, but even in that case another human could have taken his place, no?
 

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You cannot even read. The church as a nation is in Paradise. What does that have to do with the earth at all?


Stop replacing Paradise with a nation on the earth.
No Scripture.

More psychosis.

Unsurprisingly.

You think Peter was writing to a nation in "paradise".

Riiiiiight.

How's the postal service up there? :laughing: :laughing:
 
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No Scripture.

More psychosis.

Unsurprisingly.

You think Peter was writing to a nation in "paradise".

Riiiiiight.

How's the postal service up there? :laughing: :laughing:
No, he was writing about you who thinks "nation" is just a name or place holder.

Read Hebrews 11.
 

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How many profess to having been born again, but do not understand that when one is born again they both know and have entered the Kingdom of God? So many professing to have been born again, don't believe the Kingdom of God has come. Why would one believe they have been born again yet deny the Kingdom of God has come?

You simply have confused what being 'born again' really is, and what Jesus said about the kingdom being 'within you' is about.

No one will properly understand that without first understanding the two different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, the earthly one vs. the one of Spirit.

Where is God's Abode today? On this earth? No! Inside the earth? God forbid, no! In the sky atmosphere around the earth? No, because the sky is part this material creation, and Apostle John said in John 4 that "God is a Spirit". And in John 3:6 Jesus said, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

The "born again" phrase in John 3 actually means "born from above" in the Greek by accepting as our Savior Jesus Christ. It is about our spirit that dwells inside our flesh body being made a 'new creature' by The Spirit. It does not mean our flesh is turned into some new creature. That is the 'born again' idea Jesus was referring to in John 3 to Nicodemus.

Per Hebrews 4:12, God made us with 3 parts:
1) a spirit,
2) a soul, and
3) joints and marrow, put for a flesh body.

Matthew 10:28 and Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveal that our spirit & soul together is separated from our flesh body at death of our flesh, showing that our flesh is not the real 'us' (i.e., person). Our spirit with soul remain attached together, and return to The Father in that world of Spirit. But our flesh body goes back to the ground where it was taken from, and decays back to the earthly elements. Solomon revealed in Eccl.12 about a "silver cord" that keeps our spirit and flesh together while alive upon this earth. That cord is severed at flesh death.

If the Christian does not understand that as per the written Bible Scripture, then how will they understand what "born again" literally means, and what Jesus meant when He said "the kingdom of God is within you"?

Christ's Kingdom is manifest already, here on earth, but in The Spirit ONLY, NOT physically yet. That is what He meant when He said the kingdom of God is within you.

His Church is of The Spirit, and those in Christ are foundation stones in the Temple of The Spirit. This is why Communists like Joseph Stalin could close Christian Churches in Soviet Russia all he wanted, but Christ's Real Church of The Spirit never ended there! The devil cannot destroy Christ's Church off this earth, as much as he would like to! That is because Christ's Church is of The Spirit, and not simply some building or lawn with a sign on it that says 'Church of...'.

On a deeper note -- when Christ's future Kingdom will be manifest on earth in the future, literally in the physical, it will still be manifest in The Spirit. How? you might say. It is because on the day of His future return, He is going to change us all to the "spiritual body". That world to come will not involve us in flesh bodies anymore, and that includes the resurrection of damnation also. The future resurrection is not about getting a new flesh body, nor our old flesh in the casket being raised to a new flesh body.

God is going to join this earthly dimension with the heavenly dimension, both together in the same space and time, on earth. That is how He is going to return with His Garden of Eden back to this earth where it once was per Genesis 2, with His River of the waters of life feeding other rivers upon this earth, and the Tree of Life.
 

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Spare us the surfeit of private opinion.

Ever hear of Scripture?

Matthew 21
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

I Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Stop trying to replace the Holy Nation of the Church ("replacement ideology") with the unholy abomination of unregenerate Israel.
This is why it is called 'Spiritual Israel' as it was taken from them and given to all who believed and were grafted in, and we see the results today..
 

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How many profess to having been born again, but do not understand that when one is born again they both know and have entered the Kingdom of God? So many professing to have been born again, don't believe the Kingdom of God has come. Why would one believe they have been born again yet deny the Kingdom of God has come?

This conundrum keeps me scratching my head??? How can anyone read the words Christ spoke to Nicodemus (Jo 3), telling him man must be born again to know and enter the Kingdom of God, then deny the Kingdom of God has already come to whosoever is born again of the Spirit? What about you? Have you been born again of Christ's Spirit, and entered into the Kingdom of God? If yes, then do you, like so many Premillennialists here, continue to deny the Kingdom of God has come? If you're still waiting for the Kingdom of God to come, you neither know the Kingdom of God nor have you entered into the Kingdom of God. The word of Christ still applies to you..."Ye MUST be born again"!
Agree 100% Amen!!...well said!

We have been Born Again by the seed of God, / Holy Spirit, we have been birthed in the Spirit, “ Spirit gives birth to spirit....that is the “ Living “ Spiritual rebirth, it’s supernatural act of God and only he can do that, by the power of his Living Spirit.

The Kingdom of God we see, because when we became Born Again as you well know @rwb , we receive those spiritual eyes and ears, they come from the Holy Spirit as he indwells our spirit....we belong to God and are his spiritual children.
 
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