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What happens to the damned?
If there is no more sacrifice for a sin.... they are never redeemed, right?
Peace on us all,
Ted
There is none needed any more because Jesus' sacrifice for all was enough.
What happens to the damned?
The punishment of the Lake of Fire, the second death has no end. There is nothing in scripture whatsoever that declares it as correction, nor temporary, but eternal damnation.
Matthew 25:24-46
[sup]34[/sup] “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. [sup]35[/sup] For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. [sup]36[/sup] I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’
[sup]37[/sup] “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? [sup]38[/sup] Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? [sup]39[/sup] When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’
[sup]40[/sup] “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!’
[sup]41[/sup] “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. [sup]42[/sup] For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink. [sup]43[/sup] I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
[sup]44[/sup] “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
[sup]45[/sup] “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’
[sup]46[/sup] “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”
The wicked condemned to the "lake of fire" suffer eternal punishment, eternal in the sense that they are 'gone'... forever.
Per Rev.14, it's the 'smoke' of their torment that rises forever and forever.
But if they reject that sacrifice, there is no sacrifice for their sins.
On the contrary, just because they reject Christ's sacrifice doesn't make His sacrifice ineffective.
God spoke to Moses and gave Israel a perfect law by which we might know
His mind and how to establish a perfect system of law. For this reason I have
been amazed when well-meaning Christians fear the divine law as if it came
from a God of Vengeance. They run from such a God and draw near to Jesus,
the God of Love, not knowing that Jesus was the Law-giver who appeared to
Moses while Jesus was in His pre-incarnate state.
Such a dualistic mindset makes the Old Covenant (“Testament”) an opposite
of the New Covenant and tends to create two opposing Gods, each with a
different purpose and character. No, the Bible is a single Book and must be
viewed as a progressive revelation of the Kingdom of God , with each
revelation building upon the previous foundations.
The strangest of all ideas is that the divine law is somehow more to be
feared than the New Covenant God who is thought to impose torture
upon sinners. In the divine law, stealing one dollar brings divine justice
that says I must return two dollars to my victim (Ex. 22:4). The Church,
however, largely discarded the law and then substituted its own ideas of
deterrence, telling us that stealing even one dollar is punishable by never-
ending torture in hell.
That is not divine justice as defined in the law. That is only purposeless
punishment imposed by carnally-minded men who claim to know better
than God the true meaning of justice. Their dualistic philosophy leaves
the universe eternally with heaven and hell, light and darkness, all
coexisting perpetually with no thought to restoration or reconciliation.
Such an end separates evil from good, but never reconciles creation, as
the Scriptures teach.
When Paul says in Col. 1:16-20 that “the all" of creation is "the all" that
was reconciled in Christ, this can only occur if divine justice is good.
Justice is only good if it has a good purpose and is imposed in Love.
Anything short of the reconciliation of all creation falls short of Paul's
expectations of God. Hence, divine justice is eonian, not everlasting,
and it restores balance to the divine order, rather than imposing mere
torture.
This is the God of the Bible.
Logabe
Romans 14:11 has Paul stating that all believers will stand before the Lord and declare Him King and Lord of all, to the glory and praise of God Almighty---taken from Isaiah 45:23.
Isaiah 45:22-25
“Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
[sup]23 [/sup]I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,
That to Me every knee shall bow,
Every tongue shall take an oath.
[sup]24 [/sup]He shall say,
‘Surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength.
To Him men shall come,
And all shall be ashamed
Who are incensed against Him.
[sup]25 [/sup]In the Lord all the descendants of Israel
Shall be justified, and shall glory.’”
All men will bow and kneel before the Most Holy God, but not every man will be doing so as an overcomer, but as a vanquished foe. there is no getting around the fact that many more people will miss the kingdom of heaven than see it. Jesus doesn't mince His words about that...
Matthew 7:13-14
[sup]13[/sup] “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. [sup]14[/sup] But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult,
Luke 13:23-30and only a few ever find it.
[sup]23[/sup] Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?”
He replied, [sup]24[/sup] “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. [sup]25[/sup] When the master of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. You will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Lord, open the door for us!’ But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ [sup]26[/sup] Then you will say, ‘But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ [sup]27[/sup] And he will reply, ‘I tell you, I don’t know you or where you come from. Get away from me, all you who do evil.’
[sup]28[/sup] “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out. [sup]29[/sup] And people will come from all over the world—from east and west, north and south—to take their places in the Kingdom of God. [sup]30[/sup] And note this: Some who seem least important now will be the greatest then, and some who are the greatest now will be least important then.”
Romans 14:11 has Paul stating that all believers will stand before the Lord and declare Him King and Lord of all, to the glory and praise of God Almighty---taken from Isaiah 45:23.
Isaiah 45:22-25
“Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other.
[sup]23 [/sup]I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,
That to Me every knee shall bow,
Every tongue shall take an oath.
[sup]24 [/sup]He shall say,
‘Surely in the Lord I have righteousness and strength.
To Him men shall come,
And all shall be ashamed
Who are incensed against Him.
[sup]25 [/sup]In the Lord all the descendants of Israel
Shall be justified, and shall glory.’”
All men will bow and kneel before the Most Holy God, but not every man will be doing so as an overcomer, but as a vanquished foe. there is no getting around the fact that many more people will miss the kingdom of heaven than see it. Jesus doesn't mince His words about that...
Matthew 7:13-14
[sup]13[/sup] “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. [sup]14[/sup] But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
Luke 13:23-30
[sup]23[/sup] Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?”
He replied, [sup]24[/sup] “Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. [sup]25[/sup] When the master of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. You will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Lord, open the door for us!’ But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ [sup]26[/sup] Then you will say, ‘But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ [sup]27[/sup] And he will reply, ‘I tell you, I don’t know you or where you come from. Get away from me, all you who do evil.’
[sup]28[/sup] “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out. [sup]29[/sup] And people will come from all over the world—from east and west, north and south—to take their places in the Kingdom of God. [sup]30[/sup] And note this: Some who seem least important now will be the greatest then, and some who are the greatest now will be least important then.”
You misunderstand what the scriptures declare and add your own assumptions to their meaning. You confuse the ages and dispensations of God's redemptive plan. Paul said God reconciled all things to Himself through Christ at the cross, he said it very clearly yet you want to ignore it. Why? Do you find the fact that God loves His enemies appalling ? Why does the reconciliation of everyone upset you so? Do you think that you deserve more than those who are still resisting God? Have you read about Jonah and how he was upset with God for forgiving Nineveh or better how about the prodigal's brother? Maybe you should ask God to reveal the conflict between your religious paradigm and His heart.
I understand the scriptures about this subject very well, thanks. The universalism message chooses to ignore all passages referring to the fact that many will be lost due to unbelief. It is the loss of billions that upsets me, which spurs me on to preach and teach the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ---believe in Him and never perish but LIVE.
My paradigm is set upon the Rock of Jesus Christ and His word.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.