the law of faith?

[CoreIssue]

The law of faith is simply what is
required by God...this is belief. Before His coming those who believed in the promise of his coming, and those after his coming who have believed that he has indeed come, are accredited with faith.

What about those that lived before your law of faith and are now in heaven?

They got there by the law conscience which God implanted in everybody at birth. Another name for it is knowing right from wrong.

They looked at the heavens in nature and knew there had to be a creator. They sought him and he responded to them.

They did not turn to other gods.

 

[ScottA]

What about those that lived before your law of faith and are now in heaven?

They got there by the law conscience which God implanted in everybody at birth. Another name for it is knowing right from wrong.

They looked at the heavens in nature and knew there had to be a creator. They sought him and he responded to them.

They did not turn to other gods.

If they believed there is a creator and did not believe in other gods...this to is faith.

 

[CoreIssue]

If they believed there is a creator and did not believe in other gods...this to is faith.

Faith that there was a God without any idea who God is or what he really wants.

That is not faith in Jesus since Jesus did not exist then and they had no idea about the nature of God, prophecy, etc.

 

[ScottA]

Faith that there was a God without any idea who God is or what he really wants.

That is not faith in Jesus since Jesus did not exist then and they had no idea about the nature God, prophecy, etc.

Before the world was Jesus was...and there is no god of nature, only God. Jesus is God.

 

[farouk]

Not sure where in my reply you got the idea that I said that Jesus came to abolish or break the law?

I agree, Jesus didn't come to break or abolish the law, but, He did come to fulfill it. What does that mean to you?

In Hebrews 7.12 we see the law was changed; and what we now have is better than the law - Hebrews 7.19.

 

[CoreIssue]

Before the world was Jesus was...and there is no god of nature, only God. Jesus is God.

What are you talking about? Nature of God, not God of nature.

 

[ScottA]

What are you talking about? Nature of God, not God of nature.

Here:

Faith that there was a God without any idea who God is or what he really wants.

That is not faith in Jesus since Jesus did not exist then and they had no idea about the nature God, prophecy, etc.

...Was that just a typo?

 

[CoreIssue]

Here:

...Was that just a typo?

You had this post up yesterday and I answered it.

Nature of God not nature God. I fixed the post.

 

[bbyrd009]

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The law of faith can be defined as a spiritual code that relies upon God's
promises rather than upon compliance with His rules and regulations. For
example:

● Gen 15:4-6 . .Then the word of The Lord came to him: This man will not
be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir. He
took him outside and said: Look up at the heavens and count the stars-- if
indeed you can count them. Then he said to him: So shall your offspring be.
Abram believed The Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness.

Abram was accounted righteous due to his confidence in God's promise;
subsequently Abram became the law-of-faith role model. (Rom 4:1-5)

In accordance with the law of works; liars go to hell; while in accordance
with the law of faith; liars do not go to hell because the law of faith trumps
the law of works. The law of faith can thought of as a safety net for people
who find it impossible to be 100% honest; for example:

● John 5:24 . . I assure you: those who listen to my message, and believe in
God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

/

yikes

 

[Episkopos]

The law of faith is that which overcomes the law of sin. Faith is our access to grace which triumphs...always.

 

[CoreIssue]

How can you call faith a law?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

How can you call faith a law?

The law of sin and death says the soul who sins will die.
The law of faith says the soul who believes (has faith) will live.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Romans 3:27 KJV
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. NIV

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But even though it is a law, there are two sides to it, so you can't use it or...wield it without both sides.

On the one side, whatever we ask we will receive.
On the other side, you ask but do not receive because you ask with the wrong motives.

 

[prism]

just what does Paul mean by the law of faith?

Simply the new principle by which we walk. Actually it is also an old principle (see Hebrews chap 11). Our walk of faith in Rom 3 is being laid out in contrast to walking by law, i.e. attaining righteousness by the works of the law.

 

[CoreIssue]

Simply the new principle by which we walk. Actually it is also an old principle (see Hebrews chap 11). Our walk of faith in Rom 3 is being laid out in contrast to walking by law, i.e. attaining righteousness by the works of the law.

Faith is never called law the Bible. It is a state of mind and spirit, something you cannot legalize.

 

[prism]

Faith is never called law the Bible. It is a state of mind and spirit, something you cannot legalize.

I guess you are agreeing with me, as I never legalized faith. To say faith is a principle is not legalizing it but describing it.

 

[gadar perets]

Simply the new principle by which we walk. Actually it is also an old principle (see Hebrews chap 11). Our walk of faith in Rom 3 is being laid out in contrast to walking by law, i.e. attaining righteousness by the works of the law.

"Walking by law" does not equate with "attaining righteousness by the works of the law". One can walk by faith while walking by law. The great men of faith in Hebrews 11 did both. Attaining righteousness is a separate issue apart from obeying the law.

 

[CoreIssue]

"Walking by law" does not equate with "attaining righteousness by the works of the law". One can walk by faith while walking by law. The great men of faith in Hebrews 11 did both. Attaining righteousness is a separate issue apart from obeying the law.

I have to ask, exactly what law are you talking?

 

[gadar perets]

I have to ask, exactly what law are you talking?

The New Covenant law of YHWH which includes all ten commandments.

 

[CoreIssue]

The New Covenant law of YHWH which includes all ten commandments.

New covenant to the houses of Israel and Judah is not in effect yet

We are under blood covenant given by Christ at the Last Supper