The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished

[christiang]

bit like this man

Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Cant forget that one day when PM admitted to not being perfect, it was like the whole of heaven rejoiced in that brief moment of humility, but sadly te hSDA's all have teh same script burned into their minds.

Instead of understanding that this scripture speaks of humility, you think it means that you can carry on sinning. At some point you have to completely stop sinning, and wail and beg for mercy, to be forgiven of all your PAST sins. But, while you carry on sinning, rest assured, you will NOT be forgiven for your sins. You deceive yourself into thinking that you can continue sinning, and that you will be forgiven. You don't even realize your own error.

 

[mjrhealth]

Instead of understanding that this scripture speaks of humility, you think it means that you can carry on sinning. At some point you have to completely stop sinning, and wail and beg for mercy, to be forgiven of all your PAST sins. But, while you carry on sinning, rest assured, you will NOT be forgiven for your sins. You deceive yourself into thinking that you can continue sinning, and that you will be forgiven. You don't even realize your own error.

See I dont wail and beg for mercy, I am forgive, "it is finished" it is you who does not believe in the "finished" works on teh cross, Jesus died, once on that cross, He is not going to climb back up on that cross again for anyone. And yet still heer you are "I am not like all these other sinners" but you are just teh same, but how did Jesus put it,

Mar_2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

and who was He speaking to, teh pharisees as usual, always righteous in their own eyes. I am not afraid like some to admit what I am, a man just like any man,

 

[VictoryinJesus]

the reason that women are delivered through childbearing is because all the elect must suffer, just as Christ suffered. I have another study on this here, Suffering, Persecution, Martyrdom, and the Discipline of God | Wisdom of God . So, while men suffer by being persecuted for spreading the gospel and teaching, wives, on the other hand, who cannot teach, suffer by child bearing, which is their way of partaking in the suffering we must all partake in to enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 2:13-15 KJV
[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. [15] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


John 16:20-25 KJV
[20] Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. [21] A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world. [22] And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

He shall wipe away the tears...

Revelation 21:4-5 KJV
[4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[christiang]

See I dont wail and beg for mercy, I am forgive, "it is finished" it is you who does not believe in the "finished" works on teh cross, Jesus died, once on that cross, He is not going to climb back up on that cross again for anyone. And yet still heer you are "I am not like all these other sinners" but you are just teh same, but how did Jesus put it,

Mar_2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

and who was He speaking to, teh pharisees as usual, always righteous in their own eyes. I am not afraid like some to admit what I am, a man just like any man,

You don't wail and beg endlessly you knitwit. You wail and beg at the point where you COMPLETELY repent. Do you not understand what repentance entails? Not only must you stop breaking the Law of God entirely, but anything that was used for sin must be destroyed. There cannot be anything in your house of which you would be blamed for in regards to sin. You must destroy your televisions if you were using them for pornography, or if you were watching gossip and slander on TV. You must destroy your computers if they were used for pornography, including your cell phone. You must destroy all movie and music materials that are not of God. You must destroy all contraceptives in your house also, because they are forbidden. If you have a Buddha or any idol in your house, you must destroy it. You must remove all "leaven" from your home. If you are stealing, you must no longer steal. If you are committing sexual sin, you must no longer commit sexual sin. If you are engaging in interest in usury, which is modern banking and social security, you must stop using these systems. Then, after repenting in this way, you must humble yourself, sell your possessions, and give to the poor. Begin to do good works worthy of your repentance. Then, perhaps God will grant you the holy spirit. But, while you walk around thinking you can continue sinning, and twisting scriptures to justify your lifestyle, you will never enter into the kingdom of God. The way to life is very narrow, few find it. Many are called, few chosen.

 

[mjrhealth]

You don't wail and beg endlessly you knitwit. You wail and beg at the point where you COMPLETELY repent. Do you not understand what repentance entails? Not only must you stop breaking the Law of God entirely, but anything that was used for sin must be destroyed. There cannot be anything in your house of which you would be blamed for in regards to sin. You must destroy your televisions if you were using them for pornography, or if you were watching gossip and slander on TV. You must destroy your computers if they were used for pornography, including your cell phone. You must destroy all movie and music materials that are not of God. You must destroy all contraceptives in your house also, because they are forbidden. If you have a Buddha or any idol in your house, you must destroy it. You must remove all "leaven" from your home. If you are stealing, you must no longer steal. If you are committing sexual sin, you must no longer commit sexual sin. If you are engaging in interest in usury, which is modern banking and social security, you must stop using these systems. Then, after repenting in this way, you must humble yourself, sell your possessions, and give to the poor. Begin to do good works worthy of your repentance. Then, perhaps God will grant you the holy spirit. But, while you walk around thinking you can continue sinning, and twisting scriptures to justify your lifestyle, you will never enter into the kingdom of God. The way to life is very narrow, few find it. Many are called, few chosen.

You are shouting now, i fully do comprehend what repentance entails, if I had not, I would never have being able to stand before God at His throne, neither would I have being able to stand with Christ while He showed me His "sheep" all clothed in white, You say you understand but you carry on like a man unforgiven, now how can that be??

What was it JEsus said

2Co_12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Apparently for most christians it is not enough so they try add to the cost, as If they can outdo Christ. Funnily enough I received the Holy Spirit, a good 1o years before I became a christian, something to do with believing... funny how God just does things His way, and could care less for mans demands that He do it there way.

 

[KBCid]

Its found in many places, here are a few,
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” (Acts 1:5 [NIV])
I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit." (Mark 1:8 [ESV])

Good you have done what is proper.
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

I have looked through all that you have referenced but I have yet to see where you have the connection you are referring to. But I will await your answer to point out how you are reaching the conclusion your asserting.

 

[bbyrd009]

Bible Search: holy spirit OT

i think perspectives are being manipulated here...no i mean there, sorry--NT

 

[christiang]

You are shouting now, i fully do comprehend what repentance entails, if I had not, I would never have being able to stand before God at His throne, neither would I have being able to stand with Christ while He showed me His "sheep" all clothed in white, You say you understand but you carry on like a man unforgiven, now how can that be??

What was it JEsus said

2Co_12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Apparently for most christians it is not enough so they try add to the cost, as If they can outdo Christ. Funnily enough I received the Holy Spirit, a good 1o years before I became a christian, something to do with believing... funny how God just does things His way, and could care less for mans demands that He do it there way.

Do you suppose the weakness of Paul is that he was sinning, or that he was suffering, as a result of the demon that was appointed to make him suffer as the "splinter in the flesh"? Again, you twist scripture to justify your own sinfulness.

 

[christiang]

Good you have done what is proper.
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

I have looked through all that you have referenced but I have yet to see where you have the connection you are referring to. But I will await your answer to point out how you are reaching the conclusion your asserting.

Which conclusion? I have made many statements. Which statement are you refuting?

 

[mjrhealth]

Do you suppose the weakness of Paul is that he was sinning, or that he was suffering, as a result of the demon that was appointed to make him suffer as the "splinter in the flesh"? Again, you twist scripture to justify your own sinfulness.

I have twisted nothing, and you sin just teh same as teh rest of us, but cant admit to it. just another pharisee, laying stumbling blocks before men,

Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat_23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Besides no man who has ever stood or met Christ could ever and begin to think that he could justify himself before God, its absolute foolishness.

You can have teh law and we will hold on to grace,

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is

 

[Richard_oti]

It is spoken of in the Law of God, and it is a mandatory tradition, hence why Paul spoke of it and commanded it.

Personally: I think the verse from haTorah that ChristianG has based this upon is rather ambiguous. It is from BeMidbar [Numbers] 5:18 and the phrase:

u-phara` [para] 'et_r'osh ha-'ishah : and-he let loose / disheveled *_head (hair) the-woman

Phara is the binyan Qal, which is: to free, let loose, to dishevel, to disarrange, to uncover. The connotation of to uncover is predominantly PBH [Post Biblical Hebrew].


Compare VaYiqra' [Leviticus] 13:45:

ve-r'osho yihyeh pharua` : and-his head (hair) shall be unkept / disheveled / uncovered [PBH]

pharua` is a verbal noun / participle used as an adj.. It is wild / disorderly / unruly, let loose.

Some "flavours" render pharua` as "bare", others "uncovered". However it was not until PBH that pharua` developed the connotation of to be uncovered / bare-headed.

So the leper is to have his head disheveled, or "uncovered". Yet with regard to the woman with a jealous husband it is not to dishevel, but "to uncover".

Even Paul's argument in 1 Corinthians 11, he directly states that her hair is given to her for a covering. However here is also where I stumble, for Paul also speaks of "nature itself" with regard to such, and it is the male lion which has a mane. Male birds have the greater / brighter plumage.


Further, ChristianG insists that phylacteries be worn [cf Mat 23:5]. Which is obviously based upon an overly literal reading of Devarim [Deuteronomy] 6:8 and 11:18. Which to me, is to say they [the decalogue] are to be in ones thoughts and actions. That is the "sign" of them upon one.

OTOH, ChristianG also dismisses Pesakh [Passover], yet Shemot [Exodus] 13:9 and 13:16 clearly also state that such is a "sign", to be in ones thoughts and actions.


Which from my perspective makes rather curious the "mark" of the beast, which also is upon the forehead or hand.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Richard_oti]

FINE!!!

Geesh!

I was trying to ignore this... And it seems I shall have no peace while I attempt to do so.

But not tonight. For tonight, acknowledgement is as far as I am willing to go. I am tired.

Just for the record: I did begin to put something together with regard to this last night.

 

[christiang]

I have twisted nothing, and you sin just teh same as teh rest of us, but cant admit to it. just another pharisee, laying stumbling blocks before men,

Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Mat_23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Besides no man who has ever stood or met Christ could ever and begin to think that he could justify himself before God, its absolute foolishness.

You can have teh law and we will hold on to grace,

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is

You're accusing me of being an extortionist? LOL. Alright, well keep deceiving yourself to justify your own sinful lifestyle. Eventually you will be condemned for refusing to come to understanding, and not coming into full obedience.

 

[bbyrd009]

if you dig a pit for someone else, you end up in it yourself

 

[Helen]

You don't wail and beg endlessly you knitwit. You wail and beg at the point where you COMPLETELY repent.
Do you not understand what repentance entails? Not only must you stop breaking the Law of God entirely, but anything that was used for sin must be destroyed. There cannot be anything in your house of which you would be blamed for in regards to sin. You must destroy your televisions if you were using them for pornography, or if you were watching gossip and slander on TV. You must destroy your computers if they were used for pornography, including your cell phone. You must destroy all movie and music materials that are not of God. You must destroy all contraceptives in your house also, because they are forbidden. If you have a Buddha or any idol in your house, you must destroy it. You must remove all "leaven" from your home. If you are stealing, you must no longer steal. If you are committing sexual sin, you must no longer commit sexual sin. If you are engaging in interest in usury, which is modern banking and social security, you must stop using these systems. Then, after repenting in this way, you must humble yourself, sell your possessions, and give to the poor. Begin to do good works worthy of your repentance. Then, perhaps God will grant you the holy spirit. But, while you walk around thinking you can continue sinning, and twisting scriptures to justify your lifestyle, you will never enter into the kingdom of God. The way to life is very narrow, few find it. Many are called, few chosen.

Goodness...you poor deluded man..what a BURDEN YOU carry!!
You must, you must, you must, ...and there I was...believing that everything is about HIM , not about us!!!
So, like I have said before....you are still totally chained by the law.

Well , I hope YOU can get the job done bless your heart....me, I am staying hidden in Christ for all my 'must do's"

 

[mjrhealth]

You're accusing me of being an extortionist? LOL. Alright, well keep deceiving yourself to justify your own sinful lifestyle. Eventually you will be condemned for refusing to come to understanding, and not coming into full obedience.

Man are you walking on something. you really have no idea, and yet you will not find yourself justified by any law, and all that sin that you are hiding, trying to hide cant be hidden from God, we are all bare naked before Him, put yourself in a stainless steel lead lined casket and He will see right through it. You sin just like the rest of us and all you do is sound like this man.

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this public

see you are an example of why we Jesus never came to stop us sinning, because men get proud and arrogant, remember this bit,

2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Some just love to exalt themselves,

 

[christiang]

Man are you walking on something. you really have no idea, and yet you will not find yourself justified by any law, and all that sin that you are hiding, trying to hide cant be hidden from God, we are all bare naked before Him, put yourself in a stainless steel lead lined casket and He will see right through it. You sin just like the rest of us and all you do is sound like this man.

Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this public

see you are an example of why we Jesus never came to stop us sinning, because men get proud and arrogant, remember this bit,

2Co_12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Some just love to exalt themselves,

Then by all means, continue sinning, as it is written,

Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy." (Revelation 22:11 [NIV])

Eventually you will reap destruction. I've already warned you enough. I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[mjrhealth]

Eventually you will reap destruction. I've already warned you enough. I'm putting you on ignore.

Oh another one who doesnt love the truth,

 

[amadeus]

well, you get what you pay for, i guess.

Yes, and some are paying for some things strange to me and I would believe also quite strange to God.

 

[blessedhope]

I luv it>> does anyone read or understand what the sword of God really says??? >>Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.>>> The Law was nailed to the CROSS WTHE GODJEUS!! Thus we all became a new creation!! Enjoy