As the apostle said, the law always kills those who try to obey it.
The Law of Moses-Ten Commandments or God's Laws
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As the apostle said, the law always kills those who try to obey it.
"All Scripture" means all Scripture from Genesis to Revelation. But we should not equate the Tanakh (Old Testament) with the Old Covenant. That is why we have Paul's epistle to the Hebrews.
While addressed to Hebrew Christians, it is for all believers, since it clearly shows us what is still in force and what is null and void. In brief, the Ten Commandments can never be abrogated, but they have been incorporated into the Law of Christ. However everything pertaining to the tabernacle, the temple, the Levitical priesthood, the sacrifices and offerings, the feasts and festivals, have all been fulfilled in Christ, who is our High Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary after the order of Melchizedek.
You may be correct in this if we in our flesh are purposely following or purposely ignoring those literal commandments, but on the other hand...
If we are really following the lead of and obeying the Holy Spirit, we will do the right thing according to God. If we are not then we won't. The key is staying in the Spirit and remaining always obedient to the Spirit. If we are not we fail no matter what. No black and white laws to memorize but simply eat His flesh and drink His blood daily and then yield our reins continuously to Him.
Indeed!
"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:5-61
This is very interesting....so not meaning to get off topic but does prophesy concerning Christ's return line up with the Jewish feasts and festivals (or were you referring to something else)….the reason I ask is because I have had very little teaching on the feasts, trumpets and festivals and so forth and the research I have done online is varied according to who is teaching on it so I haven't gained much truth into this. And end-time teachers have made a really big deal about the blood moons and super moon and super blue blood moon....yeesh....all saying that they occurred on specific Jewish holidays or feasts and are pointing to how near His return is....but if they have been fulfilled in Christ then it isn't relevant to today.
Here is how they have been fulfilled in Christ, although two of them are yet future (chronologically):
Day of Atonement, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits -- Crucifixion, Burial, Resurrection of Christ
Pentecost -- the inception of the Church in Jerusalem
Trumpets -- the Rapture of the Church (the last Trump/the Trump of God)
Tabernacles/Booths -- the ingathering of Israel by Christ after His second coming.
Not quite correct brother. The day of atonement could not have been at the same time as Passover. The Passover, unleavened bread, and firstfruits were all spring feasts. Pentecost came a little later. The other three were autumn feasts. Day of atonement, trumpets, tabernacles. This the day of atonement antitype had to be fulfilled sometime within the history of God's people t more toward the time we are now living, along with trumpets and tabernacles.
In the case of Christ as the Lamb of God, ALL sacrifices and offering were fulfilled at the Cross. Since both the Day of Atonement and the Passover were types of the Cross, that is what happened.
I understand what you are saying about the sequence and the seasons, but we are looking at the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST. When He said "It is finished" the veil in the temple was supernaturally torn from top to bottom. Which means that the Day of Atonement could no longer be celebrated, neither could the Passover, or any of the temple sacrifices and offerings.
I agree that sacrifices and offerings were fulfilled. But the day of atonement was far far more than just sacrifice. And not both sacrifices were fulfilled at the cross. The scapegoat was not a type of Christ.
ISAIAH 53
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
So Christ was represented by every type of sacrifice and offering, and the sins of Israel (representing the sins of the whole world) were placed on the scapegoat:
And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. (Lev 16:21,22).
That "land not inhabited" was indeed those three dark hours on the Cross of Calvary, when the Father poured His wrath upon the Son. Seventh Day Adventists deny this and thereby DENY the finished work of Christ. But all conservative Christians understand that nothing is left to be done by Christ. "It is finished" means "It is ALL finished".
Agreed. The scapegoat...is sent into the wilderness...not sacrificed. It represents outer darkness in the next age.
We see a picture of the day of atonement when Jesus and Barabbas were tried before the people. One was sacrificed and the other set free.
The day of atonement is about the Bema seat judgment that is yet to come....where the house of God is divided between those who are "to the Lord" and those whose sins are retained upon them and who are cast into outer darkness. Some to honour and some to dishonour and perpetual shame.
Tabernacles is God coming to live among us.
That is simply your assumption -- "not sacrificed". In real life a lone goat wandering in the wilderness will be dinner for the next predator which comes along. And lions were predators in the wilderness of Palestine.
In any event, you are denying the finished work of Christ on the Cross of Calvary, which is a very serious matter. More serious than a goat being gobbled up. And one of the major errors of the SDA Church is promoting the idea that the finished work of Christ is unfinished.
THE BIBLE TRUTH
For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself... And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament [covenant], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, [covenant] they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. (Heb 7:26,27; 9:15)
THE SDA ERROR
"But since the post-apostolic period, many Christian expositors have tried to identify it [the scapegoat] with Christ and His sacrificial death. Seventh-day Adventists have stressed a clear distinction between “the goats” of Leviticus 16:8, considering the one “for the Lord” as a type of Christ, and the one “for the scapegoat [Heb. Azazel]” as representing Satan. This is also the view expressed in Ellen White’s writings...
...The distinction becomes even more evident when she says that Jesus Himself, as our true High Priest, will confess the sins of God’s people “upon the head of the scape goat”; and that “while the plagues are falling the scape goat is being led away . . . into the land of forgetfulness.” In addition, the scapegoat’s “mighty struggle to escape” from his tragic exilic death avoids any identification of that goat with Christ. Even without mentioning Satan by name, it is more than evident that Ellen White had him in mind as the true scapegoat. "
The Scapegoat in the Writings of Ellen G. White
Anyone who knows anything about Satan from the Bible can see that it is absurd to imagine that Satan would carry away the sins of any people into the wilderness, when he himself is the Arch-Sinner and the Arch-Enemy of God. And this is not the only error of the SDA Church.
As is usual with most critics, you come to the party only half informed... Enough to make you sound authoritative, not enough to justify the criticism. Easy to read others opinions and make them your own when you are too lazy to study the subject for yourself.
The goat represents Christ in both cases. Two are used to denote two different aspects of His atonement work for us, by the shedding of His blood and through His intersessions to the Father (1 John 2:1-2). The latter is supported by the verse, “But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to be used for making atonement by sending it into the wilderness as a scapegoat” (Lev. 16:10). The phrase “presented alive” points to His resurrection, whereas the phrase "before the Lord" and "by sending away" point at His ascension to heaven. The wilderness (or desert, as some translations have it), is used here to represent heaven. This interpretation also applies for the cleansing of a leper using two birds, one of which is killed and the other released (Lev. 14).
I don't see this at all in the text...sorry to say!
The Jews see azazel (the scapegoat) as a kind of devil.....if not the devil himself.
"Presented alive" means that people have not lost their lives for Christ...but have preserved them. Jesus said they who preserved their lives would lose them...and they who gave up their lives for Him would preserve them.
quietthinker
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Hi there, where have you been, quiet??
He says that those under the law will be judged by it when they don't obey it, but you knew that already. ☺
It's certainly what Romans 1 says in relation to the consciences of Jews or Gentiles, in varying situations.
quietthinker
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hello sbg. still in the hospital waiting waiting waiting for these hips to mend. Ohhh, you mean here? Awwww, im keeping my eye on the saints just to make sure they're not having too much fun without me
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