The Lords 2 anointed witnesses

[Ronald Nolette]

I didn’t say it was a “new revelation”, perhaps to those who have been taught by the doctrines of men it is new, but the Truth has always been the same. And it is hard to be a “cult leader” if no one knows who you are, and no one follows.

Well your old truth is an old lie! Just because no one wishes to follow your distorted reinterpretations of Scripture does not preclude you from being a cult leader wanna-be.

 

[Davy]

Michael being chief messenger does not supercede the LORD nor does it replace Him nor are they mutual/bilateral or the same Person.

Right, the false idea that Lord Jesus Christ is the Archangel Michael is a doctrine especially of the Jehovah Witness organization. Just because Jesus can be seen as a Messenger Angel of The Lord in the Old Testament does not mean Jesus is a heavenly specie like an angel or cherub.

 

[tailgator]

Nope. The 1260 days of the "two witnesses" are the same time that Satan's is in power for 42 months with his hosts that tread the holy city. BOTH are about the LATTER 3.5 years of Daniel's symbolic "one week" (7 years).

The difference in those times is this -- the 1260 days is per a solar calendar reckoning, and the 42 months is a Lunar calendar reckoning. Both represent the latter 3 and 1/2 years.

You are correct it is the same time period.
The second beast with its two horns practice the authority of the beast in its behalf during those 1260 days
The second beast has power for those 1260 days.
1260 days is 42 months on the Jewish calendar.

 

[tailgator]

Almost had me, pretty clever symbolic presentation; but there are some discrepancies.
Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God. So you're implying God is standing before God.

"Two anointed ones" implies they were given power from God that they did not have before. Men are typically anointed by God. They are chosen, consecrated, blessed, empowered. God does not anoint Himself, He is and has been all powerful. Jesus earthly human ministry was anointed by the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit was not anointed, He is God

The Beast makes war with the saints, persecuted and kills them _ here and there _ but not all at the same time. Nor will 2.7 billion Christians (or at least half who haven't been killed during thenGreat Tribulation) lie in the streets of Jerusalem.
You are reaching! And you didn't mention that the two witnesses are clothed in sackcloth. When do any of us wear that? Since you realize Satan cannot kill Jesus now or the Holy Spirit, you must symbolically assign us as His victims.
It is easy to drift off in symbolism because you can make it go anywhere and mean anything. You search for proof texts to support your case and think, "Ah, I have it!"
Is this just another Preterist attempt to add to your symbolic arguments that refute the coming Great Tribulation/ Second Coming and Millennial Kingdom? Preterists drown themselves in a sea of symbolism. Symbolism is often used in scripture but is usually explained. God is not trying to confuse us or present to us an elaborate puzzle that would require the ability of Shelock Holmes (anointed with the Spirit) to decipher. Revelation is difficult enough to discern. If God meant it to be mostly symbolic, and not to be taken literally, then the blessing we are supposed to receive from it is quite illusive and far fetched

Sackcloth is a rough garment .
The king of the norths armed forces will be wearing ACU or army combat uniforms also know as fatigues for those 42 months they are stationed in Israel.

 

[Davy]

You are correct it is the same time period.
The second beast with its two horns practice the authority of the beast in its behalf during those 1260 days
The second beast has power for those 1260 days.
1260 days is 42 months on the Jewish calendar.

In my opinion, Christ showed John those two separate calendar types, solar vs. lunar, to reveal more about the type of spiritual war for the end then, since that is for the "great tribulation" time on the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period.

 

[tailgator]

In my opinion, Christ showed John those two separate calendar types, solar vs. lunar, to reveal more about the type of spiritual war for the end then, since that is for the "great tribulation" time on the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period.

It's the same amount of time.
1260 is 42 months.

That is the amount of time the second beast(false prophet)practices the authority of the first beast on its behalf.


The false prophet is the prophet that speaks lies.
The false prophet has power for1260 days.

 

[Davy]

It's the same amount of time.
1260 is 42 months.

That is the amount of time the second beast(false prophet)practices the authority of the first beast on its behalf.


The false prophet is the prophet that speaks lies.
The false prophet has power for1260 days.

Actually, the solar year reckoning is roughly 10 days longer than the lunar year reckoning.

 

[tailgator]

Actually, the solar year reckoning is roughly 10 days longer than the lunar year reckoning.

The scripture has nothing to do with a solar year.
It has an amount of days which is 1260 days.
It has an amount of months which is 42.
The scripture does not mention years.


There are 1260 days in 42 Hebrew calendar months.
Its the exact same amount of time.

 

[Davy]

The scripture has nothing to do with a solar year.
It has an amount of days which is 1260 days.
It has an amount of months which is 42.
The scripture does not mention years.


There are 1260 days in 42 Hebrew calendar months.
Its the exact same amount of time.

The reckoning of 1260 days... for the 3.5 year period is per solar reckoning, which was the type calendar reckoning that Israel originally used.

The lunar calendar reckoning came later.

So yeah, the TYPE of calendar does... matter, because Satan ("dragon") is to reign 42 months for the end of this world...

Rev 13:4-5
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
KJV

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

 

[tailgator]

The reckoning of 1260 days... for the 3.5 year period is per solar reckoning, which was the type calendar reckoning that Israel originally used.

The lunar calendar reckoning came later.

So yeah, the TYPE of calendar does... matter, because Satan ("dragon") is to reign 42 months for the end of this world...

Rev 13:4-5
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
KJV

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

1260 days is1260 days.

A day is the amount of time it takes for the earth to complete a rotation.


I don't care what you claim a year is,your not going to change the amount of time it takes for the earth to complete a rotation.That is a day.


Revelation 11
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.




42 months on the Hebrew calendar is exactly 1260 days.

 

[Douggg]

The scripture has nothing to do with a solar year.
It has an amount of days which is 1260 days.
It has an amount of months which is 42.
The scripture does not mention years.

The text has the two different time expressions of 1260 days and 42 months for a reason.

The difference is not because of solar year vs lunar.

The difference is that is that are some small units of time that have to be taken in to account. I will explain. The small units are in red. The 7 years is 2520 days. 1260 days is exactly half.

We going to produce a formula based on the text, that adds up everyting to get 2520 days.

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In Revelation 12 our formula is...

1260 days (first half of the seven years exactly) + war in second heaven time + time,times, half time = 2520 days

The time, times, half time is not exactly 1260 days, close but not exactly. The war in the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9 takes some time. We are not told exactly how much. But what is left is something less than 1260 days.... which being somewhat less is expressed as a time, times, half time

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In Revelation 11, the two witnesses testify 1260 days. Then after being killed, their bodies remain in the streets 3.5 days. Then once they are gone, the beast will rule 42 month unimpeded by the two witnesses. During the beast's 42 month rule, the nations will tread down Jerusalem.

So our formula is...

1260 days (first half of the seven years exactly) + 3.5 days + (leaving) 1256.5 days = 2520 days

Instead of saying "1256.5", the bible says 42 months to take into account the 3.5 days.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Michael being chief messenger does not supercede the LORD nor does it replace Him nor are they mutual/bilateral or the same Person.

First, the Lord Jehovah Himself is decidedly "NOT" an "angel" as you think it means. So why do I call Him an angel? Because it means the Lord Jehovah reveals Himself as a MESSENGER, called a Theophany.

The Old Testament saints "expected" a Messiah to come and rule as king, they simply (like you as Premillennarians and Dispensationalists) had their eyes on this world, earthly kingdoms, earthly restorations, the physical nation of Israel, and a physical captivity, rather than the true spiritual kingdom, deliverance, rule, and inheritance, which of course is far superior. It should not have been completely unexpected for those who knew the OT Scriptures well, and it wasn't. It's just that they misunderstood the true nature of the Messiah and the Kingdom of God.

Isaiah 42:6-7

• "I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
• To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house."

The New Covenant for Spiritual Israel, a spiritual prison house of Satan, the spiritually blind eyes. Again, they mostly misunderstood the scripture. The mystery or secret revealed to God's election. It's not unlike like the misunderstanding of the Hebrew and Greek word that is, was, and always will be, "messenger" and not "angel." Based on the same stubbornness and refusal to receive what they know themselves to be true. ...in a word, tradition and the false doctrine of Dispensationalists.

The [mal'ak] and the [aggelos] is someone who carry a MESSAGE, perform some other specific commission from God, such as a miracle, and represent more or less officially the one God sending him.

Judges 13:18-22

• "And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
• So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on.
• For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.
• But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
• And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God."

Again, the word is messenger. The great "I Am" was the messenger (angel) of the Lord, because His name is a mystery / secret. Hello?! Selah!

The LORD works in mysterious ways and often reveals himself through message of Theophanies, burning bushes, and even messages from Donkeys! For example, Christ Himself is the CHIEF Messenger of the Lord (often improperly labeled by men, the arch or chief "angel".

1st Thessalonians 4:16

• "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"

As it is written, those who have died Christ will bring with Him when He descends from heaven with a shout and the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God. How does Christ have the voice of the chief messenger? ...because it's HIS voice, as He is the chief messenger himself. Not archangel as a separate entity. Christ does not need an angel beside Him to use his shout to raise the dead! Think carefully!

When many Christians read or hear the word, "angel", they automatically believe it is a supernatural being sent out by God from heaven to accomplish His will. No no no.... But that is only BECAUSE of Christian tradition, theologian's eisegesis, and long-standing Church customs. But not from anything actually spoken about in Scripture detailing the mythical angelic beings. Anyone who thinks that is not true, SHOW ME! As in the Children of Israel whom He brought out from the land of Egypt, and yet they rebelled. The result?

Psalms 78:49

• "He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil [messengers] among them."

God sent no "evil angels" from heaven upon them, rather he sent evil messengers, the evil human messengers among them, and they all died in the wilderness!

Now what about this verse that many Christian often asked me:

Psalm 91:11

• "For He will command His angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways."

Nope, not a SINGLE word there about "angelic beings" that are neither God nor believers. It simply says God will command His messengers (ie. Faithful Christians) concerning you to guard you in all your ways. The only way that reads that these are supernatural beings neither God nor man is when theologians read that theory "into" the text. In a word, eisegesis.

Genesis 32:3

• "And Jacob sent [mal'ak] before him to Esau his brother unto the land of Seir, the country of Edom."

Did Jacob send an actual angelic being to Esau to relay his message? No! They were human messengers to guard his brothers in all their ways, not angels. God did as Scripture said He would!

And someone else asked me about verse to see if this speaks about celestial beings:

Psalm 103:20

• "Bless the LORD, O you His angels, you mighty ones who do His word, obeying the voice of His word!"

Again, Nope! All that says is, Bless the LORD, O you His messengers, you mighty ones who do His word, obeying the voice of His word!
Nothing more and nothing less. Is there anything new about that?

1st Chronicles 23:5

• "Moreover four thousand were porters; and four thousand praised the LORD with the instruments which I made, said David, to praise therewith."

Can His messengers do anything less than sing psalms of praise to the Lord. God's messengers blessing the Lord as mighty ones who do His word, is what His messengers do. It's a given. The only way anyone like you gets the idea of the mystic angel from that verse Psalm 103:20 is if they insert it there themselves... just as translators inserted the "Greekish" word angel there. Because it's not been put there by God.

it is because we are finite humans, we sometimes mistake eisegesis for exegesis, and that's just something we need to be more aware of.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Hebrews 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

God is talking about messengers -- Chosen HUMAN messengers (which is what angel means). All of God's children will sit upon throne with Christ. Nowhere in Scripture that shows that celestial created beings will sit upon thrones!

Michael is the archangel.

The meaning of the name, Michael, is "One who is assuredly is God." That is just another name for Jesus Christ! He is the chef Messenger (archangel). Not God with wings! Geez!

Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Yes, it is Jesus Christ who have contended with the spirit of men, Devil over the body of Moses. Do you know what really happened here? I bet you don't. So here is a biblical lesson for any serious bible students who want to read:

The Devil is everyone's adversary and doesn't belong to anyone. He is a SPIRIT OF MAN, the rebellious spirit within mankind that holds him in bondage to sin. That is why Satan is a spirit of disobedience that we all had before we were born again. He is the antichrist spirit that opposes the Kingdom of God. This spirit has always been in the world (since the fall), was bound at the cross for the sake of the nations, and will be unrestrained in the world as judgment in the last days.

Now, when Christ contends and disputes with the Devil, He contends and disputes with the spirit of false Priests, Teachers, Prophets and Messengers. This is that evil spirit that works in the children of disobedience and is offended in Christ Jesus. When we read that Christ disputed with the Devil, He is contending with mankind that is in opposition to His kingdom. They are those who have this antichrist spirit to resist, obstruct and speak against Christ. The question is, what spirit opposed Christ and denied His office as chief Messenger of the Covenant? Indeed the larger question is, who is the spirit of antichrist?

1st John 4:3

• "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

According to God's definition of the term, ALL (not one man) those who deny Christ as Savior is Antichrist. So what spirit contended with Christ about the body of Moses? Was it a red supernatural man with horns or was it man with a lawless spirit? The very context of Jude tells us that the word of God is speaking about men who would always gainsay and resist God.

Jude 1:8-10

• "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
• Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
• But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."

This refers to Old Covenant Israel whom Christ called the children of the Devil, and how He opened not His mouth against them (although He was the chief messenger) when He was reviled, accused, spoken evil against, persecuted and brought before magistrates. Because He came as the suffering servant to confirm the Covenant before many. This language of Christ not rebuking Satan is taken from

Zechariah 3:1-3

• "And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
• And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
• Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel."

This prophesies of the coming of Christ and how He would cleanse the Lord's servants by taking away their filthy garments and bringing them righteousness. The spirit Satan opposed Christ through the leaders of Old Covenant Israel who did everything in their power to resist Him, His kingdom and reign. This is that same spirit of Satan that Christ contended with regarding the body of Moses! It was all those with the spirit of disobedience who rejected Him, His kingdom and Covenant revelation and indeed sought to kill Him because of His teachings concerning this Kingdom. The pertinent questions here are, who is Michael the archangel (Christ, the chief Messenger), when did He contend with the Devil (at the time of His first advent), what is the significance of the body of Moses (the Old Testament Covenant), what is Satan's main modus operandi in opposing Christ (the nature of the Kingdom), what Scriptures support this conclusion (Zechariah, Revelation 12, Jude and Matthew among others) and what was Christ disputing with the evil spirit and adversary about? It was the same thing the Apostle Paul was disputing with the Judaizers about--the very nature and makeup of the law of Moses, Covenant, Kingdom, Reign and Messiah.

Acts 17:17

• "Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him."

The dispute with antichrist is always about the Kingdom of Christ because it is the spirit that opposes all that Christ stands for. The Kingdom wasn't taken from Israel for nothing, it was taken away "because" they opposed and rejected the Messiah of the Bible as God breathed head of that Kingdom!! Every spirit that will not confess that Jesus come in the flesh as the prophesied Messiah and ruler of Israel is that spirit of antichrist. Yes, that's unpalatable to some, but it is a Biblical fact. Moreover, what is also a Biblical fact is that these are the people who Christ contended and disputed with about God's law and Covenant with Israel. In reality it was two houses coming against each other. The body of Moses vs the body of Christ. The Old Covenant vs the New. The Law vs Grace. The carnal/physical vs the Spiritual. Jerusalem of this world or heavenly Jerusalem. The list is endless but here is one lesson one more time in case you need to understand who the archangel, Michael really is.

He is Christ is the chief Messenger of the Covenant, translated arch (chief) and angel (messenger) in the New Testament as found in Revelation chapter 12.

Malachi 3:1

• "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

The word translated messenger there and speaking of Christ, is the same word translated angel! The title "Michael" illustrates God with us, and is Hebrew meaning "who is God," from [mi] meaning who, [ki] meaning because and by extension "is," and [el] meaning "God." Mi'ki'el the chief Messenger of the Covenant. Michael or God with us "IS" the chief messenger of the covenant, and the [aggelos] who fought on His Side are the Apostles his servant messengers of the congregation. As I said, two houses with only one victorious.

Now who is the Devil? The Devil is the adversarial spirit that rules fallen man and opposes the Lord at every turn. This spirit is called by many names, such as Satan, Antichrist, Baal, Serpent, Dragon, etc. The adversarial spirit in man to disobey is the Devil.

1st Peter 5:8

• "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

Just as the king was the adversary when He sought to devour the baby Jesus as soon as it was born, but the wise men warned of the Lord thwarted his plans. The spirit of antichrist reveals himself within men!! It is NOT some supernatural being the stuff that bad exorcist or fallen angel movies are made of. The only exorcism of the evil spirit is through the gospel of Christ via the Holy Spirit that moves that Devil spirit from our person that the spirit of Christ dwell there. This is HOW we, as a messengers, are saved as Christ by removed our spirit of disobedience (Satan) and replacing it with His Holy Spirit.

Those who have ears let him hear!

Much Wisdom!

 

[tailgator]

The text has the two different time expressions of 1260 days and 42 months for a reason.

The difference is not because of solar year vs lunar.

The difference is that is that are some small units of time that have to be taken in to account. I will explain. The small units are in red. The 7 years is 2520 days. 1260 days is exactly half.

We going to produce a formula based on the text, that adds up everyting to get 2520 days.

------------------------------------

In Revelation 12 our formula is...

1260 days (first half of the seven years exactly) + war in second heaven time + time,times, half time = 2520 days

The time, times, half time is not exactly 1260 days, close but not exactly. The war in the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9 takes some time. We are not told exactly how much. But what is left is something less than 1260 days.... which being somewhat less is expressed as a time, times, half time

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In Revelation 11, the two witnesses testify 1260 days. Then after being killed, their bodies remain in the streets 3.5 days. Then once they are gone, the beast will rule 42 month unimpeded by the two witnesses. During the beast's 42 month rule, the nations will tread down Jerusalem.

So our formula is...

1260 days (first half of the seven years exactly) + 3.5 days + (leaving) 1256.5 days = 2520 days

Instead of saying "1256.5", the bible says 42 months to take into account the 3.5 days.

You shouldn't add things together that don't need added.

The 42 months the woman flees into the wilderness is the same 42 months the two witnesses occupy Israel.Thecwoman flees when the two witnesses arrive because they give everyone in Israel the mark of the beast.That being theark of the first beast which came out of the sea.The two witnesses are the two horns of the second beast of revelation 13.

They will most likely join the first beast next year.The beast needs help fending off all his enemies and you know how those evangelicals love and worship the beast.

 

[Douggg]

The 42 months the woman flees into the wilderness is the same 42 months the two witnesses occupy Israel.

In Revelation 12:14, it is a time, times, half time in the text - not 42 months.

In Revelation 11:3, it is 1260 days for the two witnesses - not 42 months.

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Take a look at my chart. You will see the 1260 days, at the start of the 7 years on the left side.

And the time, times, half time , ending with Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years.

 

[tailgator]

In Revelation 12:14, it is a time, times, half time in the text - not 42 months.

In Revelation 11:3, it is 1260 days for the two witnesses - not 42 months.

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Take a look at my chart. You will see the 1260 days, at the start of the 7 years on the left side.

And the time, times, half time , ending with Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years.


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There are ,30 days in a month in the Hebrew calendar.If you multiply 30 times 42 as in 42 months,it comes to 1260 days.

1260 days is exactly 42 months to the day.

 

[tailgator]

In Revelation 12:14, it is a time, times, half time in the text - not 42 months.

In Revelation 11:3, it is 1260 days for the two witnesses - not 42 months.

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Take a look at my chart. You will see the 1260 days, at the start of the 7 years on the left side.

And the time, times, half time , ending with Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years.


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PS
The gentiles who trample Jerusalem accompany the two witnesses.The two witnesses give them orders.

 

[tailgator]

In Revelation 12:14, it is a time, times, half time in the text - not 42 months.

In Revelation 11:3, it is 1260 days for the two witnesses - not 42 months.

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Take a look at my chart. You will see the 1260 days, at the start of the 7 years on the left side.

And the time, times, half time , ending with Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years.


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I tell you what.You would like to teach someone something .I have a question for you so you can teach everyone.
According to scripture,the two witnesses ascend into heaven in a cloud.During the same hours there is a great earthquake.

What kind of cloud ascends into heaven and is accompanied with an earthquake?

I will give you a hint to help you answer the question. The cloud is full of fire and brimstone.

 

[tailgator]

In Revelation 12:14, it is a time, times, half time in the text - not 42 months.

In Revelation 11:3, it is 1260 days for the two witnesses - not 42 months.

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Take a look at my chart. You will see the 1260 days, at the start of the 7 years on the left side.

And the time, times, half time , ending with Jesus's return at the end of the 7 years.


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If you struggle to answer that question.
Here is another.

Scripture says,The beast which ascends out of the bottomless pit and the ten horns hate the prostitute Babylon.That great city that reigns over the kings.And they shall burn her with fire .

Here is the question.

If the beast and the ten horns hate the prostitute(that great city),then why do they kill the two witnesses in the great city?

What are the two witnesses doing with the prostitute?

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The meaning of the name, Michael, is "One who is assuredly is God." That is just another name for Jesus Christ! He is the chef Messenger (archangel). Not God with wings! Geez!


Yes, it is Jesus Christ who have contended with the spirit of men, Devil over the body of Moses. Do you know what really happened here? I bet you don't. So here is a biblical lesson for any serious bible students who want to read:

The Devil is everyone's adversary and doesn't belong to anyone. He is a SPIRIT OF MAN, the rebellious spirit within mankind that holds him in bondage to sin. That is why Satan is a spirit of disobedience that we all had before we were born again. He is the antichrist spirit that opposes the Kingdom of God. This spirit has always been in the world (since the fall), was bound at the cross for the sake of the nations, and will be unrestrained in the world as judgment in the last days.

Now, when Christ contends and disputes with the Devil, He contends and disputes with the spirit of false Priests, Teachers, Prophets and Messengers. This is that evil spirit that works in the children of disobedience and is offended in Christ Jesus. When we read that Christ disputed with the Devil, He is contending with mankind that is in opposition to His kingdom. They are those who have this antichrist spirit to resist, obstruct and speak against Christ. The question is, what spirit opposed Christ and denied His office as chief Messenger of the Covenant? Indeed the larger question is, who is the spirit of antichrist?

1st John 4:3

• "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

According to God's definition of the term, ALL (not one man) those who deny Christ as Savior is Antichrist. So what spirit contended with Christ about the body of Moses? Was it a red supernatural man with horns or was it man with a lawless spirit? The very context of Jude tells us that the word of God is speaking about men who would always gainsay and resist God.

Jude 1:8-10

• "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
• Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
• But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves."

This refers to Old Covenant Israel whom Christ called the children of the Devil, and how He opened not His mouth against them (although He was the chief messenger) when He was reviled, accused, spoken evil against, persecuted and brought before magistrates. Because He came as the suffering servant to confirm the Covenant before many. This language of Christ not rebuking Satan is taken from

Zechariah 3:1-3

• "And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
• And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
• Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel."

This prophesies of the coming of Christ and how He would cleanse the Lord's servants by taking away their filthy garments and bringing them righteousness. The spirit Satan opposed Christ through the leaders of Old Covenant Israel who did everything in their power to resist Him, His kingdom and reign. This is that same spirit of Satan that Christ contended with regarding the body of Moses! It was all those with the spirit of disobedience who rejected Him, His kingdom and Covenant revelation and indeed sought to kill Him because of His teachings concerning this Kingdom. The pertinent questions here are, who is Michael the archangel (Christ, the chief Messenger), when did He contend with the Devil (at the time of His first advent), what is the significance of the body of Moses (the Old Testament Covenant), what is Satan's main modus operandi in opposing Christ (the nature of the Kingdom), what Scriptures support this conclusion (Zechariah, Revelation 12, Jude and Matthew among others) and what was Christ disputing with the evil spirit and adversary about? It was the same thing the Apostle Paul was disputing with the Judaizers about--the very nature and makeup of the law of Moses, Covenant, Kingdom, Reign and Messiah.

Acts 17:17

• "Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him."

The dispute with antichrist is always about the Kingdom of Christ because it is the spirit that opposes all that Christ stands for. The Kingdom wasn't taken from Israel for nothing, it was taken away "because" they opposed and rejected the Messiah of the Bible as God breathed head of that Kingdom!! Every spirit that will not confess that Jesus come in the flesh as the prophesied Messiah and ruler of Israel is that spirit of antichrist. Yes, that's unpalatable to some, but it is a Biblical fact. Moreover, what is also a Biblical fact is that these are the people who Christ contended and disputed with about God's law and Covenant with Israel. In reality it was two houses coming against each other. The body of Moses vs the body of Christ. The Old Covenant vs the New. The Law vs Grace. The carnal/physical vs the Spiritual. Jerusalem of this world or heavenly Jerusalem. The list is endless but here is one lesson one more time in case you need to understand who the archangel, Michael really is.

He is Christ is the chief Messenger of the Covenant, translated arch (chief) and angel (messenger) in the New Testament as found in Revelation chapter 12.

Malachi 3:1

• "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

The word translated messenger there and speaking of Christ, is the same word translated angel! The title "Michael" illustrates God with us, and is Hebrew meaning "who is God," from [mi] meaning who, [ki] meaning because and by extension "is," and [el] meaning "God." Mi'ki'el the chief Messenger of the Covenant. Michael or God with us "IS" the chief messenger of the covenant, and the [aggelos] who fought on His Side are the Apostles his servant messengers of the congregation. As I said, two houses with only one victorious.

Now who is the Devil? The Devil is the adversarial spirit that rules fallen man and opposes the Lord at every turn. This spirit is called by many names, such as Satan, Antichrist, Baal, Serpent, Dragon, etc. The adversarial spirit in man to disobey is the Devil.

1st Peter 5:8

• "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

Just as the king was the adversary when He sought to devour the baby Jesus as soon as it was born, but the wise men warned of the Lord thwarted his plans. The spirit of antichrist reveals himself within men!! It is NOT some supernatural being the stuff that bad exorcist or fallen angel movies are made of. The only exorcism of the evil spirit is through the gospel of Christ via the Holy Spirit that moves that Devil spirit from our person that the spirit of Christ dwell there. This is HOW we, as a messengers, are saved as Christ by removed our spirit of disobedience (Satan) and replacing it with His Holy Spirit.

Those who have ears let him hear!

Much Wisdom!

The name Michael means one who is like God. Michael is not God he is the archangel of God.