The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[David in NJ]

I can't take comments like this seriously. If you are supposedly in tune with God and I supposedly am not on these things, then you would be able to show me the truth. But, you clearly cannot as evidenced by the fact that you don't even attempt to do so.

This is a forum where we discuss our beliefs and use scripture to back them up. It seems that all you're interested in is trying to tell people how much holier and in touch with God you are than them. No, thanks. You need to repent of your arrogance.

Actually it is your religious arrogance that is speaking loud and clear against Scripture

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
for prophecy never came by the will of man,
but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually it is your religious arrogance that is speaking loud and clear against Scripture

Your rhetoric does nothing but make you look desperate. You refuse to back up your opinions with scripture. That says a lot about you and your lack of confidence in what you believe.

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
for prophecy never came by the will of man,
but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

What is your point in bringing this up? How does this help me to understand why you believe what you do? I can see through your holier than thou act. That does nothing to help your case.

 

[ewq1938]

54. Revelation 19:18, "and the flesh of all men". Does this literally mean all men on the entire Earth?

Amillennialism is well known for symbolizing a huge number of things in scripture but here suddenly they take a hyper-literal approach? How inconsistent!


Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Most people are able to understand that the context of this is within the army that is being described. "all men" is simply all the types of men from Generals all the way down to slaves. All types of men, not all men everywhere.

It is not saying all human beings on the planet will be killed and eaten.

Look at some similar language from the same book:


Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Is this saying all humans on Earth will take the mark of the beast or is it again saying all types from high ranking people down to low ranking people will take the mark?

In both passages there are the mighty and rich, and the free and the slaves. All of them take the mark, but not all humans take the mark. It is the same in Revelation 19 where an army is described and all of them from the most important to the least important will be killed. The context is never a global slaughter of all humans.

 

[WPM]

54. Revelation 19:18, "and the flesh of all men". Does this literally mean all men on the entire Earth?

Amillennialism is well known for symbolizing a huge number of things in scripture but here suddenly they take a hyper-literal approach? How inconsistent!


Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Most people are able to understand that the context of this is within the army that is being described. "all men" is simply all the types of men from Generals all the way down to slaves. All types of men, not all men everywhere.

It is not saying all human beings on the planet will be killed and eaten.

Look at some similar language from the same book:


Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Is this saying all humans on Earth will take the mark of the beast or is it again saying all types from high ranking people down to low ranking people will take the mark?

In both passages there are the mighty and rich, and the free and the slaves. All of them take the mark, but not all humans take the mark. It is the same in Revelation 19 where an army is described and all of them from the most important to the least important will be killed. The context is never]/u] a global slaughter of all humans.

You have no answer to Amil rebuttals. Avoidance is the only way your argument stands.

Revelation 13:8 states, “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (the beast), whose names are not written in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”

The aforementioned verse tells us that his/its adherents include every single person “whose names are not written in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” This is wholesale allegiance! Therefore, the beast specifically and symbolically must relate to some all-embracing Christ-rejecting influence or body that controls the affections of the sum total of the non-elect, those that will be eternally damned. I believe it is talking about the Christ-rejecting world. All the rejecters of Christ are classed in the beast's camp. They take the mark and lose their eternal soul.

Revelation 13:16-17 supports this contention: "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

The beast causes those that don’t have their names written in the book of life from the foundation of the world - “all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond" - "to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.” This is their damnation.

Everyone on earth that is not written in the book of life submit to the beast’s authority. When we look at the detailed description of the beast in Revelation (including his image and his mark), we can see that the apocalypse very clearly distinguishes between those who take the mark of the beast and those who don't. In fact, one either has the mark and worships the beast and his image or else one refuses any association with him / it. It is that simple. Those who have the mark of the beast are lost and will be thrown into the lake of fire at the Judgment. Those who do not have the mark of the beast have the seal of God (Holy Spirit) and are saved and reign with Christ spiritually even now in heavenly places (Ephesians 1:3, 2:6, Hebrews 12:22-23 and Revelation 20:4) and will inherit eternal life in the new heavens and new earth.

It is this comprehensive non-elect grouping that Jesus destroys when He comes. No one who is left-behind survives. Revelation 19:11-19 records Christ’s victorious return as Judge to destroy all wickedness: “And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.”

This is pretty comprehensive to me. In perfect keeping with the rest of Scripture, this narrative graphically shows us that the destruction that occurs will be immediate, absolute and total and that, at this stage – after “the marriage of the Lamb” (Rev 19:7) – everyone left behind will be completely consumed; the birds of heaven filling themselves with “the flesh of all men.” Significantly, the suffix “both free and bond, both small and great” is added in order to fully impress the enormity and all-inclusive nature of this feast.

By referring to "free and bond" and "small and great" John is reinforcing the point that no one left behind after the catching away is excluded. All we have to do is look at how such language is used elsewhere in Scripture (including the book of Revelation) to understand that these terms are used to describe all-inclusiveness.

 

[David in NJ]

54. Revelation 19:18, "and the flesh of all men". Does this literally mean all men on the entire Earth?

Amillennialism is well known for symbolizing a huge number of things in scripture but here suddenly they take a hyper-literal approach? How inconsistent!


Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Most people are able to understand that the context of this is within the army that is being described. "all men" is simply all the types of men from Generals all the way down to slaves. All types of men, not all men everywhere.

It is not saying all human beings on the planet will be killed and eaten.

Look at some similar language from the same book:


Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Is this saying all humans on Earth will take the mark of the beast or is it again saying all types from high ranking people down to low ranking people will take the mark?

In both passages there are the mighty and rich, and the free and the slaves. All of them take the mark, but not all humans take the mark. It is the same in Revelation 19 where an army is described and all of them from the most important to the least important will be killed. The context is never]/u] a global slaughter of all humans.

over their heads

 

[Always Believing]

(Each of these issues have been presented in threads in various forums by people who believe in Amillennialism. These may or may not be held by every individual of that doctrine.)

Each person who believes in Amillennialism is a good person with good intent regarding scriptural interpretation but Premillennialism very much disagrees with their doctrine, their way of interpretation, and their exegesis of various scriptures. In this list you will see the many problems contained within Amillennialism.


1. Time no longer?

Revelation 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

The "time will stop existing" theory is based on misunderstanding some translations archaic wording. Here "time no longer" simply means there will no longer be a delay before certain events begin to occur not that time somehow actually stops.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Scripture never claims that time ends, in fact the eternity is never ending time with a new fruit on the tree of life every month (30 days of time).

Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

World here is AION which is an age or period of time. Usually it speaks of an everlasting period of time. Here the verse not only uses AION but adds "without end" to make clear that time never ends.

Barnes:

“time shall be no longer” - means properly, according to Robinson (Lexicon), “yet, still”; implying:
(1) Duration - as spoken of the present time; of the present in allusion to the past, and, with a negative, no more, no longer;
(2) Implying accession, addition, yet, more, further, besides. According to Buttmann, Grammatical section 149, vol. i. p. 430, it means, when alone, “yet still, yet further; and with a negative, no more, no further.” The particle occurs often in the New Testament, as may be seen in the Concordance. It is more frequently rendered “yet” than by any other word (compare Mat_12:46; Mat_17:5; Mat_19:20; Mat_26:47; Mat_27:63; Mar_5:35; Mar_8:17; Mar_12:6; Mar_14:43 - and so in the other Gospels, the Acts , and the Epistles); in all, 50 times. In the Book of Revelation it is only once rendered “yet,” Revelation_6:11, but is rendered “more” in Revelation_3:12; Revelation_7:16; Revelation_9:12; Revelation_12:8; Revelation_18:21-22 (three times), Revelation_18:23 (twice); Revelation_20:3; Revelation_21:1, Revelation_21:4 (twice); “longer” in Revelation_10:6; “still” in Revelation_22:11 (four times). The usage, therefore, will justify the rendering of the word by “yet,” and in connection with the negative, “not yet” - meaning that the thing referred to would not occur immediately, but would be hereafter. In regard to the general meaning, then, of this passage in its connection, we may remark:
(a) That it cannot mean, literally, that there would be time no longer, or that the world would then come to an end absolutely, for the speaker proceeds to disclose events that would occur after that, extending far into time future Revelation_10:11, and the detail that follows Revelation. 11 before the sounding of the seventh trumpet is such as to occupy a considerable period, and the seventh trumpet is also yet to sound. No fair construction of the language, therefore, would require us to understand this as meaning that the affairs of the world were then to terminate.

Clarke:

That there should be time no longer - That the great counsels relative to the events already predicted should be immediately fulfilled, and that there should be no longer delay.

E.W. Bullinger:

Literally that time shall be no longer. i.e. no more delay in executing final vengeance. See Revelation_6:10, Revelation_6:11.



Other translations:


(ASV) and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created the heaven and the things that are therein, and the earth and the things that are therein, and the sea and the things that are therein, that there shall be delay no longer:

(BBE) And took his oath by him who is living for ever and ever, who made the heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there would be no more waiting:

(CEV) He made a promise in the name of God who lives forever and who created heaven, earth, the sea, and every living creature. The angel said, "You won't have to wait any longer.

(Darby) and swore by him that lives to the ages of ages, who created the heaven and the things that are in it, and the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be no longer delay;

(EMTV) and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created the heaven and the things in it, the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there should be no more delay;

(ERV) The angel made a promise by the power of the one who lives forever and ever. He is the one who made the skies and all that is in them. He made the earth and all that is in it, and he made the sea and all that is in it. The angel said, "There will be no more waiting!

(ESV) and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay,

(GNB) and took a vow in the name of God, who lives forever and ever, who created heaven, earth, and the sea, and everything in them. The angel said, "There will be no more delay!

(GW) He swore an oath by the one who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it. He said, "There will be no more delay.

(ISV) He swore an oath by the one who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: "There will be no more delay.

(LEB) and swore by the one who lives [forever and ever], who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, "There will be no more delay!

(TLV) and swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay.

(TPT) and swore an oath by him who lives for an eternity of eternities, the Creator of heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them: No more delay!

(WEB) and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there will no longer be delay,

(WEBA) and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there will no longer be delay,

(Williams) and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created the heavens and all that they contain, the earth and all that it contains, and the sea and all that it contains, that there should be no more delay,

It's always easy to spot false prophecy, when the right Scripture is come across.

They say the thousand years is only figurative, but the Bible says those thousand years will expire. How can a symbology expire?

The same word is used for Jesus declaring His time on the cross is finished. That time is no more figurative, then His thousand year reign on earth.

 

[David in NJ]

It's always easy to spot false prophecy, when the right Scripture is come across.

They say the thousand years is only figurative, but the Bible says those thousand years will expire. How can a symbology expire?

The same word is used for Jesus declaring His time on the cross is finished. That time is no more figurative, then His thousand year reign on earth.

i fully agree and so does God

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
Revelation 22:18-21

21The grace of the Lord Jesusd be with all the saints.e

 

[ewq1938]

55. More on what the first resurrection of Revelation 20 is, and is not.

This is related to number 4.

Amillennialism teaches that the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is Christ's own resurrection but that does not match the wording or the context of the passage.

Jesus was the first singular resurrection from the dead raised in an immortal body. That is found in the gospels and other places in the NT. (Jesus was not the first person to be resurrected.)

The beheaded saints of Revelation 20 are the first group to be resurrected from the dead.

The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is not a singular person resurrecting. It's an unknown amount of people, as a group, resurrecting.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection in these verses is not Jesus resurrecting because he did that thousands of years before the timeframe of Revelation 20. The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is a group of dead Christians resurrecting like He did! He resurrected in an immortal body. The beheaded saints of Revelation 20 shall also resurrect in immortal bodies.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

54. Revelation 19:18, "and the flesh of all men". Does this literally mean all men on the entire Earth?

Amillennialism is well known for symbolizing a huge number of things in scripture but here suddenly they take a hyper-literal approach? How inconsistent!

This is yet another misrepresentation of Amillennialism from you. You are completely incapable of refuting Amillennialism in an honest way, so you resort to misrepresenting it instead. Our approach to interpreting Revelation is not to interpret everything as symbolic. That is a lie. Like Premils, we interpret some of the book literally and some symbolically. There is no inconsistency in that. There is no rule which says that we must either interpret it all literally or all symbolically. That is nonsense. No one does that.

Rev 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
Rev 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Most people are able to understand that the context of this is within the army that is being described. "all men" is simply all the types of men from Generals all the way down to slaves. All types of men, not all men everywhere.

So, since you're claiming that it only means some people of each type of people will be destroyed, does that mean you're trying to say that only some who are part of the armies coming against Christ (some "kings", some "captains", some "mighty men", etc.) will be killed rather than all of them?

It is not saying all human beings on the planet will be killed and eaten.

Look at some similar language from the same book:


Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Is this saying all humans on Earth will take the mark of the beast or is it again saying all types from high ranking people down to low ranking people will take the mark?

It's all people whose names are not written in the book of life since those are the ones who worship the beast. Earlier, he wrote that all whose names are not written in the book of life worship the beast (Revelation 13:8).

In both passages there are the mighty and rich, and the free and the slaves. All of them take the mark, but not all humans take the mark.

What type of person isn't included? It's worded that way to indicate that it includes people of all types. The context is that all people whose names are not written in the book of life, regardless of their status, worship the beast and have the mark of the beast.

It is the same in Revelation 19 where an army is described and all of them from the most important to the least important will be killed.

It says all people and the context is obviously regarding those who are enemies of Christ, which includes literally all unbelievers since Jesus Himself said that anyone who is not with Him is against Him (Matthew 12:30).

The context is never a global slaughter of all humans.

Yes, it is. You just ignore the context and also ignore the other scriptures which teach the same thing, such as Matthew 24:35-39, 2 Thess 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-12.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

i fully agree and so does God

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!
Revelation 22:18-21

21The grace of the Lord Jesusd be with all the saints.e

Hey, buddy, it looks like you are accusing Amils of adding words to the book of Revelation. Is that what you're doing? That's a very serious allegation that you should be able to back up.

Do you even understand what those passages mean? They are talking about someone purposely adding words to the prophecy in order to distort its meaning. That is not what Amils are doing. If we're misinterpreting the prophecy, so be it. Maybe we all are misinterpreting it to some extent. Does that mean God will add the plagues described in the book to all of us? Of course not. Just because we interpret the book differently than you does not mean we are purposely misinterpreting it. You need to get off your high horse if you think your interpretation is the only possible one anyone can have without being guilty of what is described in Revelation 22:18.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's always easy to spot false prophecy, when the right Scripture is come across.

Yours is definitely easy to spot. Takes no effort at all to spot it.

They say the thousand years is only figurative, but the Bible says those thousand years will expire. How can a symbology expire?

You are clueless. We don't say that it's only figurative as if it doesn't represent an actual period of time at all. We believe it figuratively represent an actual period of time with a beginning and ending. We see the figurative "thousand years" as having begun around the time of the resurrection of Christ and will end when Satan is loosed after which a "little season" of time occurs before His return.

The same word is used for Jesus declaring His time on the cross is finished. That time is no more figurative, then His thousand year reign on earth.

You seem to be confusing the terms figurative and fictional here. We don't say that the thousand years doesn't exist at all in any way, shape or form. Do you understand that? We do believe it has a beginning and ending, but just don't believe that it refers to a literal one thousand years. Do you understand that the term "thousand" is used figuratively in other places in scripture such as the reference to the cattle on a thousand hills in Psalm 50:10 and the references of God's promises applying to "a thousand generations"?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

55. More on what the first resurrection of Revelation 20 is, and is not.

This is related to number 4.

Amillennialism teaches that the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is Christ's own resurrection but that does not match the wording or the context of the passage.

Jesus was the first singular resurrection from the dead raised in an immortal body. That is found in the gospels and other places in the NT. (Jesus was not the first person to be resurrected.)

The beheaded saints of Revelation 20 are the first group to be resurrected from the dead.

The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is not a singular person resurrecting. It's an unknown amount of people, as a group, resurrecting.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection in these verses is not Jesus resurrecting because he did that thousands of years before the timeframe of Revelation 20. The first resurrection of Revelation 20 is a group of dead Christians resurrecting like He did! He resurrected in an immortal body. The beheaded saints of Revelation 20 shall also resurrect in immortal bodies.

It's talking about those who have part in the first resurrection living and reigning with Christ. The Greek word translated as "lived" in verse 4 is "zao" and that is not a word used to refer to the bodily resurrection of the dead. The Greek word "anazao" is used to refer to "the rest of the dead" in verse 5 and that word is used to refer to the resurrection of the dead. If verse 4 was talking about the bodily resurrection of the martrys, etc. then why wasn't the Greek word "anazao" used in reference to them? Premils never want to address that.

Also, there are multiple passages in scripture which talk about believers spiritually having part in Christ's resurrection (Eph 2:1-6, Romans 6, etc.) and that is what Revelation 20:6 is about. It talks about those who have part in the first resurrection being "priests of God and of Christ" and Revelation 1:5-6 talks about that as being a current reality. But, Premils don't take any of these things into consideration.

 

[David in NJ]

Hey, buddy, it looks like you are accusing Amils of adding words to the book of Revelation. Is that what you're doing? That's a very serious allegation that you should be able to back up.

Do you even understand what those passages mean? They are talking about someone purposely adding words to the prophecy in order to distort its meaning. That is not what Amils are doing. If we're misinterpreting the prophecy, so be it. Maybe we all are misinterpreting it to some extent. Does that mean God will add the plagues described in the book to all of us? Of course not. Just because we interpret the book differently than you does not mean we are purposely misinterpreting it. You need to get off your high horse if you think your interpretation is the only possible one anyone can have without being guilty of what is described in Revelation 22:18.

I posted these scriptures so that we take them to heart and understand what God expects from us when we study His words

These two scriptures should be the Foundation in the heart of every Believer when studying scripture.

God hopes you agree!

Amos 3:3 - "Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I posted these scriptures so that we take them to heart and understand what God expects from us when we study His words

So, you're not willing to be honest with me? You two were talking about Amils and then you quoted those passages in response to your disagreement with us. But, I'm supposed to believe that you weren't intending to accuse Amils of adding words to God's Word and to the prophecy in Revelation in violation of what those passages are talking about?

 

[David in NJ]

So, you're not willing to be honest with me? You two were talking about Amils and then you quoted those passages in response to your disagreement with us. But, I'm supposed to believe that you weren't intending to accuse Amils of adding words to God's Word and to the prophecy in Revelation in violation of what those passages are talking about.

Pure honesty is when we agree with God and seek to walk with Him.

i am not perfect therefore i keep my heart open so that i can receive truth and allow it's way in me for blessing

Sharing scripture with each other is a very good way by which we encourage each other.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Pure honesty is when we agree with God and seek to walk with Him.

i am not perfect therefore i keep my heart open so that i can receive truth and allow it's way in me for blessing

Sharing scripture with each other is a very good way by which we encourage each other.

So, you're not willing to be honest and acknowledge that you quoted Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-21 in response to the post made by "Always Believing" where he criticized Amils with the intention that those passages should be applied to Amils?

 

[David in NJ]

So, you're not willing to be honest and acknowledge that you quoted Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-21 in response to the post made by "Always Believing" where he criticized Amils with the intention that those passages should be applied to Amils?

What Post # please

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What Post # please

1,467. You made it last night. You forgot about it already?

 

[David in NJ]

1,467. You made it last night. You forgot about it already?

Post 1,467 is in response to this statement: "it is always easy to spot false prophecy when the right Scripture comes across"

Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-19 agree with Scripture Itself is the Measure of all prophecy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Post 1,467 is in response to this statement: "it is always easy to spot false prophecy when the right Scripture comes across"

Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-19 agree with Scripture Itself is the Measure of all prophecy.

But, he was saying that in reference to Amils. So, you following that up with those scriptures gave the impression that you believe those passages apply to Amils. Are you trying to tell me that was not your intention?