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When do you believe the following will happen:
No, we do not. Your false accusations do nothing but make you look like a fool.
How can that be? The fire that it talks about there will destroy the living unsaved on the earth at the time when the day of the Lord arrives. That lines up with what Paul said here about that same day:
Then why did Peter say that we look forward to the new heaven and new earth according to the promise of His second coming in 2 Peter 3:13?
But, what Peter wrote about there all related to the second coming. He first pointed out how scoffers in the last days will scoff at the idea of His second coming. Then he compares the destruction that will occur at His second coming to what happened with the flood in Noah's day just like Jesus did in Matthew 24:37-39. Then he points out that the Lord is not being slow about His second coming as some might think. And then he points out that the heavens and earth will be dissolved and, despite that, we look, according to His second coming, look forward to a new heaven and new earth. So, it all points to things that occur just before His second coming and on the day He returns.
What are you talking about? You say some of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. What exactly are you trying to say here? You're not making any sense. Obviously, there will be an order to the things that occur once He comes again, but it still all happens on the same day and not 1,000+ years apart.
How it starts does not determine it's length. It starts like a thief in the night and ends 1,000 years later, give or take a few years, as time does not matter to God according to you.
It's called interpreting scripture with scripture. I know that you are not familiar with that concept. One passage, 2 Peter 3:10-12 talks about the burning up of the heavens and earth on the day of the Lord and this passage you quoted talks about "sudden destruction" occurring from which "they shall not escape". So, putting two and two together, what will cause the "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape"? Fire. It's obvious. Only doctrinal bias can prevent someone from seeing it. The day of the Lord Peter wrote about is not some different day of the Lord than Paul wrote about. It makes sense that if fire is coming down on the entire earth that in the case of unbelievers "they shall not escape". Because what mortal could escape that? No one.
How is the day of the Lord described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 different from the day of the Lord that Paul wrote about in 1 Thess 5? It's not. Yet, you acknowledge that 1 Thess 5 is speaking of the second coming, but you don't acknowledge that about 2 Peter 3:10-12. As if Peter and Paul wrote about two different days of the Lord, which they did not. In each case the day of the Lord that they wrote about relates directly to the second coming of Christ. In each case they talk about the importance of being spiritually pure and ready for His return in order to avoid the wrath that will come down when He returns.
In 2 Peter 3 the promise is in regards to Christ's second coming. That is clear.
No, it isn't. The same promise of His second coming mentioned in 2 Peter 3:4, is the promise mentioned here:
Yet, you don't interpret 1 Thess 5 that way. You only relate that passage to the second coming even though Paul was talking about "the day of the Lord" just like Peter did in 2 Peter 3. How convenient of you to see them as two different days of the Lord.
The passage talks about His promise in relation to the promise of His second coming in verse 4. Then "His promise" is referenced again in verse 9 without explaining what promise it's referring to. You know why Peter didn't explain what promise he was referring to there? Because he had already mentioned it in verse 4. And then he references it again in verse 13. Each time he was talking about the promise of His second coming. Only doctrinal bias can prevent someone from seeing this just like only doctrinal bias can make someone think that 2 Peter 3:10-12 is talking about a different event than 1 Thess 5:2-3.
I understand that you talk a lot of nonsense.
Peter indicates that the arrival of the day of the Lord brings about the burning up of the heavens and earth. Will it take 1,000+ years to burn up the heavens and the earth? The way you interpret the day of the Lord, that would have to be the case, but that idea is ludicrous.
It clearly involves fire burning up the heavens and the earth because that is what Peter describes. Are you saying you believe that starts when Christ returns and continues for 1,000+ years? You know that's not going to happen.
Why do you say things like this that make no sense whatsoever? Do you expect to be taken seriously after saying completely nonsensical things like this?
What do you mean "who knows?" I've made that very clear. It's the day that Christ returns during which "sudden destruction" will come down on unbelievers by way of fire from which "they shall not escape", which is what is taught in 2 Peter 3:10-12 and 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3.
Huh? Again, more nonsense from you.
Yes, only the dead are resurrected. I think that's pretty obvious. Why did you ask me this? What does it have to do with what I said?
So, you can give out petty jabs (as you have done many times), but you can't take them. I see. You have found a way to get out of having to explain why you don't see 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 as describing the same event. Well done.
That's a lot less than 1,000 years.
This doesn't even begin to make any sense.
Peter says that the burning up of the heavens and earth occurs upon the arrival of the day of the Lord. So, with your logic, that would mean it would take 1,000 years for that to happen. Which obviously makes no sense. And you also aren't even thinking about the fact that your view doesn't allow for Satan's little season to occur.
The reign is 1,000 years, not the fire.
You're saying that the day of the Lord is the thousand years, right? So, when does the burning up of the heavens and earth occur? At the end of the thousand years? If so, then how can Satan's little season occur after that?
Try reading Revelation 20.
No, the fire brings a new heaven and earth prior to the Millennial Reign.
I think we all believe that, but you're missing my point. Again, he was saying that the day of the Lord is the same as the thousand years of Revelation 20. So, he's saying that the burning up of the heavens and earth doesn't all just happen at once. He apparently sees it as happening at the end of the supposedly thousand year long day of the Lord. Not after it ends, but at the end of it. That obviously would not allow for Satan's little season to occur after the thousand years end if the what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 happens at the end of the thousand years. Do you see my point now?
No, that's what you do by twisting scriptures like 2 Peter 3:10-13 beyond recognition and applying OT prophecies that were already fulfilled to the future. That is why you have beliefs that no one else has. It's impossible to make sense of your overall doctrine even if I do agree with a few things that you believe, especially as it concerns believers being the true Israel.
Do you acknowledge that the day of the Lord Peter referenced in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is the same day of the Lord Paul referenced in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3?
Okay, so we actually agree that 2 Peter 3:10-12 occurs at the second coming. So, tell me how exactly any mortals survive that? Paul, who wrote in 1 Thess 5:2-3 about the same day of the Lord that Peter described in 2 Peter 3:10-12, said that unbelievers "shall not escape" the "sudden destruction" that comes down at that time. So, again, how does this allow for any mortal survivors, keeping in mind that believers will be changed and have immortal bodies at that point?
