The Pre-Trib Rapture

[The Light]

That speaks of Christians, the church, who will be persecuted in the Great Tribulation.

Yes, that speaks of Christians. Part of Israel will have it's eyes opened when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (pre trib rapture).

The dragon goes after the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth, during the 70th week of Daniel, when it can't get to those in Israel that have fled to their place of protection.

The lineage of the Jews are determined by the woman. A child is considered Jewish if the child is born to a Jewish mother, hence the seed of the woman.

 

[n2thelight]

Okay.
So WHAT exactly is Satan’s part of trickery, Satan’s GAIN, in promoting a PRE-Tribulation RAPTURE?
What Scripture reveal Satan promoting Salvation with Christ Jesus?

Simple ,to get you to worship him .

satan is supernatural along with his angels. They will come to this earth as angels of light ,live and in color ,so the danger of the rapture is deception of satan pretending to be Christ .

You all seem to think the ant christ, whom is satan himself will come to destroy ,he comes in peace , exactly as many believe Christ will .

It's a battle for your soul ,not this flesh

 

[The Light]

Simple ,to get you to worship him .

satan is supernatural along with his angels. They will come to this earth as angels of light ,live and in color ,so the danger of the rapture is deception of satan pretending to be Christ .

You all seem to think the ant christ, whom is satan himself will come to destroy ,he comes in peace , exactly as many believe Christ will .

It's a battle for your soul ,not this flesh

You are in error here. The Antichrist is not Satan. Satan is the dragon. The beast(antichrist) and false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire. The dragon, Satan, is bound a thousand years.

Rev 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Truth7t7]

I see no mention of the Church. The Church will already be in heaven when this event occurs.
Luke 21:25-28 is for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman....Israel.

Revelation 14
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The audience in Luke 21 is "The Church" those hated for the name of Jesus Christ

Luke 21:17KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, that speaks of Christians. Part of Israel will have it's eyes opened when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (pre trib rapture).

The dragon goes after the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth, during the 70th week of Daniel, when it can't get to those in Israel that have fled to their place of protection.

The lineage of the Jews are determined by the woman. A child is considered Jewish if the child is born to a Jewish mother, hence the seed of the woman.

The scripture in Revelation 12 says nothing about these people being Jewish, nor anything about "12 tribes".

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Taken]

Tons.

Non answer.

Of course. It is you that doesn't understand it, or when it happens.

Non answer to...
What you think the Rapture IS or Why.

 

[Taken]

Scripture teaches the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation.

Scriptural QUOTE claiming the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

Scriptural QUOTE WHY the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

 

[n2thelight]

You are in error here. The Antichrist is not Satan. Satan is the dragon. The beast(antichrist) and false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire. The dragon, Satan, is bound a thousand years.

Rev 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

satan has many names ,the role he plays in the end will be striped away one by one
anti in the greek means instead, of all though we have had many they were not satan himself

473. anti an-tee' a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):--for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

 

[n2thelight]

Scriptural QUOTE claiming the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

Scriptural QUOTE WHY the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

First of all the tribulation will be cut short
Second, there are two tribulations

Third ,which I can't for the life of me figure how you all (rapturist) completely ignore Christ own words

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Without butchering scripture , where is the rapture in Matt 24 ?

 

[Taken]

First of all the tribulation will be cut short
Second, there are two tribulations

Third ,which I can't for the life of me figure how you all (rapturist) completely ignore Christ own words

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Without butchering scripture , where is the rapture in Matt 24 ?

Addressing me is not the same as answering questions to verify your claims...

Here are the questions AGAIN, questioning your claims.
Are you not able to scripturally verify your claims?

Scriptural QUOTE claiming the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

Scriptural QUOTE WHY the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

 

[The Light]

First of all the tribulation will be cut short

Yes that's correct. If it was not cut short there would be no flesh alive to receive salvation at the rapture.
Matthew 24
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Second, there are two tribulations

Yes, that's also correct. There are two tribulations and one wrath of God.

Third ,which I can't for the life of me figure how you all (rapturist) completely ignore Christ own words

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not have her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"

Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

Without butchering scripture , where is the rapture in Matt 24 ?

It seems to me that you are ignoring Christs words. If you are looking for a rapture in Matt 24 why not keep reading.

Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Just as there are two tribulations, there are two raptures. This is the second rapture, the gathering from heaven and earth just prior to the wrath of God.

2 Thes 2
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

 

[Truth7t7]

Scriptural QUOTE claiming the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

Scriptural QUOTE WHY the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation?

You have been clearly shown in post #1433 the scripture below Luke 21:25-28, this scripture clearly teaches of the time of great tribulation and signs in verses 25-26, this is prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ, you will closely note the "Church" is present on earth to witness the events of the tribulation, signs, and second coming of Jesus Christ

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The audience in Luke 21 is "The Church" those hated for the name of Jesus Christ

Luke 21:17KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

 

[Truth7t7]

I see no mention of the Church. The Church will already be in heaven when this event occurs.
Luke 21:25-28 is for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman....Israel.

Revelation 14
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

You continue to claim the church is in heaven prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ

Not one scripture in the Holy Words of God supports your claims made, not one

 

[Taken]

You have been clearly shown in post #1433 the scripture below Luke 21:25-28, this scripture clearly teaches of the time of tribulation and signs in verses 25-26, this is prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ, you will closely note the "Church" is present on earth to witness the events of the tribulation and second coming

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The audience in Luke 21 is "The Church" those hated for the name of Jesus Christ

Luke 21:17KJV
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

So...the Sun, moon, stars, nations, seas, failing hearts, shall show signs.
Then the Son of man shall be seen coming in a cloud.

Uh....how much time passes Between The Signs and Men SEEING the Son of man coming in a cloud?

A minute?
A month?
A year?

And are CLOUDS “ON EARTH”?

How did you come to the conclusion....MEN SEEING the Son of man coming in a cloud.....MEANS the Son of man has arrived ON Earth?

 

[Truth7t7]

So...the Sun, moon, stars, nations, seas, failing hearts, shall show signs.
Then the Son of man shall be seen coming in a cloud.

Uh....how much time passes Between The Signs and Men SEEING the Son of man coming in a cloud?

A minute?
A month?
A year?

And are CLOUDS “ON EARTH”?

How did you come to the conclusion....MEN SEEING the Son of man coming in a cloud.....MEANS the Son of man has arrived ON Earth?

No more dog and pony show, you have been clearly shown the Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, signs, and second coming of Jesus Christ

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Taken]

You continue to claim the church is in heaven prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ....

What Is the Church’s purpose to be On Earth during Gods Punishments, Wrath and Tribulations UPON the Earth?

 

[Taken]

No more dog and pony show, you have been clearly shown the Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, signs, and second coming of Jesus Christ

Jesus Is The Lord

So why avoid the questions if it is so clear?

 

[Keraz]

What Is the Church’s purpose to be On Earth during Gods Punishments, Wrath and Tribulations UPON the Earth?

What believers of the false 'rapture to heaven' theory miss; is how the faithful Christians are kept safe in a earthly location during the 1260 day period of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls - the Great Tribulation. Revelation 12:6 & 14
Some Christians must remain and they will face persecution from the 'dragon'; the Anti-Christ. Revelation 12:17

Many Prophesies say how the Lord will protect His own, none say He will take them to heaven.

 

[The Light]

You continue to claim the church is in heaven prior to the second coming of Jesus Christ

Not one scripture in the Holy Words of God supports your claims made, not one

Here's two.

Twenty four elders around the throne with reward crowns. Jesus has returned and brought His reward with Him. And you say there is only one resurrection at the last day.
Rev 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Kings and priests in heaven around the throne. That's the Church.
Rev 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Enoch111]

What Is the Church’s purpose to be On Earth during Gods Punishments, Wrath and Tribulations UPON the Earth?

That would not only be contrary to God's plan for the Church, but as a matter of fact it would stop the reign of the Antichrist. The Holy Spirit must be "taken out of the way" in order for Satan to gain total control of the world, which means that the Church (indwelt by the Spirit) also must be taken out of the way. And where else would the Church be other than in Heaven, since the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven requires the presence of the Church, PRIOR TO the Second Coming of Christ (Rev 19)?

Just because some cannot see things as God has presented them they rant and rave over the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. But they can certainly petition God to leave them on earth so that they might be beheaded by the Antichrist's Gestapo.