The Pre-Trib Rapture

[Taken]

@Keraz ”Humans returning with Jesus, is the very epitome of sci-fi nonsense and the fanciful dreams of the deluded.

No Kidding....So why make such an utterly Ignorant Statement?

Oh, is that YOUR ATTEMPT to IMPLY that is what BELIEVERS OF OSAS teach? LOL. Fail. Gaslighter!

HUMANS are dust of the Earth. Anyone with an ounce of Spiritual Understanding FULL WELL KNOW....the Lord God is not busying Himself REMAKING HUMANS into HUMANS....but Rather the Lord God shall REMAKE HUMANS into Spiritual Beings that SHALL NEVER die.

Matthew 16:27 and Revelation 19:14 are irrefutable; Jesus Returns accompanied by the angel armies of heaven.

Not a news flash. Christ Jesus has Holy Angel Servants and Christ Jesus has Human and Glorified Saints that Serve Him. No one has said otherwise....One or two Scripture do not reveal ALL.

 

[Taken]

This is His 2nd and only coming ,and yes those who have died in Him will return with Him.
They didn't get raptured, they died .

Who said “those being killed on earth were raptured’?

 

[Taken]

God's words have absolutely no association to your questions of human reason

LOL...a nonsensical response to the Purpose of Christ’s Church being on Earth during the Tribulation.

Would have been upstanding to simply say you don’t know.

 

[Taken]

Actually the Bible says that all the Tribulation saints are beheaded.

Correct.

It is notice....THOSE “BECOMING” Saints, Because of their...oops time is up....declare their Belief.....MUST BODILY DIE.

BECAUSE...as Scripture teaches to ignorant fools....

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

In elementary terms...A man can NOT BECOME MADE ... SAVED...
Until he Confesses Belief, and Bodily Dies. THEN he can be soul saved and spirit quickened.
And A man can NOT BECOME BODILY GLORIFIED.....UNTIL the Lord God RAISES UP His DEAD BODY.

He who IS NOT ignorant or a fool......
Repents for having had disbelief, Forgiven, Confessed Belief, bodily dies, lives in Jesus Risen glorified body, Raised up in their own glorified body, above the face of the Earth, CHRIST’S CONVERTED “IN” HIM...
BEFORE Gods anger, wrath, tribulation comes down from Heaven UPON the whole face of the Earth.....WHO HEARD and FAILED to COMMIT and become CONVERTED....BEFORE the Door was shut. OOPS!

Didn’t squeeze in through the DOOR?....enjoy the Tribulation and HOPE you wise up, before you die!

Enoch111...not rocket science, not secret...astounding so many still don’t get it. People really that LAZY? that they still wait for an other to decided with they will hear and learn about for an hour each week....?
And too lazy to open and read their own Bibles?

 

[Taken]

You are in error here. The Antichrist is not Satan. Satan is the dragon. The beast(antichrist) and false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire. The dragon, Satan, is bound a thousand years.

Yes the anti-Christ is Satan.
Yes the anti-Christ are Fallen Angels.
Yes the anti-Christ is Corrupt Governments of the World.
Yes the anti-Christ is People who Reject Believing in the Lord God.
Yes the anti-Christ is People who Promote Rejecting the Lord God.
Yes the anti-Christ is People who (Under the guise of Cleric) Preach a false Doctrine.

Individually and collectively they are called the dragon, the devil, devils, demons, anti-Christ’s, beasts, corrupt governing systems, anti-Christ advocates, false prophets, sons of Satan, rejectors, deceivers, damned,
cheaters, liars, thieves, murderers, “killers” of Gods Word.


2 John 1:
[7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Despite all the lengthy wordy posts explaining the pre-tribulation rapture and mocking the biblical post-tribulation rapture, simple Bible reading reveals the simple truth:

We are:

“…waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 1:7)

And when he comes:

“…we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven… and the dead in Christ shall rise first” (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16)

When?

“Immediately after the tribulation… and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29-30)

And guess who’s on earth when Christ comes:

“…that Wicked… whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders” (2 Thessalonians 2:8-9)

So the pre-tribulation rapture is pure fiction spawned by lie upon lie.

So the rejectors of this truth have nothing but long winded posts that stroke their falsehood.

 

[The Light]

Despite all the lengthy wordy posts explaining the pre-tribulation rapture and mocking the biblical post-tribulation rapture, simple Bible reading reveals the simple truth:

First, you should clarify whether you understand that the tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal or do you think that the tribulation is over at the 7th trumpet or 7th vial.

We are:

“…waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 1:7)

And when he comes:

“…we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven… and the dead in Christ shall rise first” (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16)

When?

“Immediately after the tribulation… and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29-30)

True. And yet after Jesus pinpoints His coming we get this gem.
Matt 24
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

And guess who’s on earth when Christ comes:

“…that Wicked… whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders” (2 Thessalonians 2:8-9)

Or Jesus comes more than once. He comes for His bride at the trump of God or voice of God. Then He come again at the last trump. He comes once when it's like the days of Noah, where Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood and likewise also, He comes again when it's like the days of Lot.

So the pre-tribulation rapture is pure fiction spawned by lie upon lie.

So the rejectors of this truth have nothing but long winded posts that stroke their falsehood.

So there will be a pretribulation, pre 70th week rapture of the Church and when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, God will keep His promise to His chosen. Don't be ignorant of this mystery.
Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The truth is, Jesus is coming in an hour that you think not. He comes more than once. The fig tree has two harvests. He will come for His bride, the Church, and then He will come again for his Chosen bride. Jacob had two brides and he worked 7 more years for Chosen bride.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Or Jesus comes more than once.

Jesus coming more than once is fiction.

This is not taught anywhere in the New Testament.

 

[Taken]

Despite all the lengthy wordy posts explaining the pre-tribulation rapture and mocking the biblical post-tribulation rapture, simple Bible reading reveals the simple truth:

We are:

“…waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Corinthians 1:7)

THAT APPLIES to those “IN” Christ.

And when he comes:

“…we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven… and the dead in Christ shall rise first” (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16)

Apparently not so simple, since you completely IGNORED...
THOSE IN Christ, waiting FOR the Coming of “THEIR” Lord...are called up to their “Lord” who descended from His Place in High Heaven to the clouds, and the “Lord” gathers unto HIM, Christ’s Church.

When?

“Immediately after the tribulation… and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29-30)

Yes AFTER THE TRIBULATION...”the Son of Man”, RETURNS TO EARTH...
OOPS...
WITH “Christ’s Church”, WITH “their Lord”...

Obviously you DO NOT HAVE THE “WISDOM” of God...that God GIVES to Christ’s Church.

Christ’s Church is waiting on their “Lord”, before the Tribulation.
YOU are waiting on the “Son of Man.” After the Tribulation... when you shall LOOK UP, see the Son of Man, and wail!
Christ’ Church SHALL BE WITH the THEIR Lord, WHEN “HE” returns...
BUT YOU, ON EARTH, not risen in glory, shall NOT SEE Christ’s Glorified Church Saints WITH their Lord...YOU shall SEE the Son of Man.

And guess who’s on earth when Christ comes:

Apparently YOU, who is waiting on Earth, waiting for the Son of Man...
Since earthly Eyes can ONLY SEE the Son of man....they can not SEE the Lord as He is. Oops.

“…that Wicked… whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders” (2 Thessalonians 2:8-9)

So the pre-tribulation rapture is pure fiction spawned by lie upon lie.

Obviously YOU do not KNOW the Difference BETWEEN...the Son of Man and Christ the Lord....

So the rejectors of this truth have nothing but long winded posts that stroke their falsehood.

No, they have truth, but you being without the TRUTH IN you, DO NOT recognize the TRUTH....You are what is called stiffnecked and stubborn, simply repeating your accusations over and over and over....AS IF, your false teaching is the truth.
That nonsense works on children and those NOT IN Christ...

KEEP WAITING ON THE Son of Man...LOOK UP, wail in distress...
THEN you will finally KNOW, you should have been waiting on Lord as do those IN Christ!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

you should clarify whether you understand that the tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal or do you think that the tribulation is over at the 7th trumpet or 7th vial.

The coming of the Lord is what we are waiting for as I briefly laid out in my first post. Everything else must line up with that foundation laid by scripture. You can muse and meditate how those things line up in that order, but that IS the biblical order.

Matt 24
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

When the Antichrist comes you will know that the coming of the Lord is near. But you will not know the hour.

He comes for His bride at the trump of God or voice of God. Then He come again at the last trump.

This is one event.

So there will be a pretribulation, pre 70th week rapture of the Church and when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in…

And you proceed with a long winded speech with no scripture references.

Typical.

He comes more than once.

Keep thinking that.

You are believing something none of the Apostles taught neither Christ himself.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Obviously you DO NOT HAVE THE “WISDOM” of God...that God GIVES to Christ’s Church.

I have eyes to see and ears to hear what the scriptures plainly say and teach.

Christ’s Church is waiting on their “Lord”, before the Tribulation.
YOU are waiting on the “Son of Man.”

I am waiting for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (a.k.a. The Son of Man).

Obviously YOU do not KNOW the Difference BETWEEN...the Son of Man and Christ the Lord....

The Son of Man is Christ the Lord. No scripture says otherwise.

.You are what is called stiffnecked and stubborn

No, I am what’s called a Bible believer “IN” Christ.

 

[Taken]

Jesus coming more than once is fiction.

This is not taught anywhere in the New Testament.

Jesus IS GOD.
God is Everywhere.
WHERE He IS Specific is revealed, by what He is CALLED.

The ONLY thing mankind has EVERY SEEN with their EYES...IS the Son of Man.

Knowing is one thing.
Seeing is another thing.

Calling Jesus the Son of Man....was exactly what earthly men were told.
REVEALING....the Son of Man....

is the Lamb of God, is the High Priest, is the Son of God, is the Lord, is the Word of God, is the Truth, is the Way, is the Life, is the Christ, is the Power of God, is the Wisdom of God, is the Light, is God, etc. etc. etc......
IS SIMPLY KNOWLEDGE....NO one has SEEN God or Heard HIS VOICE!

* Christ’s Church SHALL BE THE FIRST to experience the privilege and honor and the Magnificat Glory to SEE the Lord God......AS HE IS.

* Christ’s Church IS Exclusive to be the FIRST to lay down their LIVES, IN COMMITTED BELIEF, BEFORE their physical Death, BE RAISED in glorified body’s....with their saved souls....with their quickened spirits....reign WITH the Lord God....IN Christ the Lords KINGDOM....


1 John 3:
[2] Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Christ’s Church waits for HIM to appear IN THE CLOUDS.

You can wait for the Son of Man, I am waiting for the Lord to appear, see Him as He IS....SPIRIT....and BE LIKE HIM!

 

[Taken]

I have eyes to see and ears to hear what the scriptures plainly say and teach.



I am waiting for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (a.k.a. The Son of Man).

YOU...have confused KNOWLEDGE with SEEING.
A man who SEEs the Son of Man...sees a figure that Looks like a human man.
A man who SEES the Lord....see the SPIRIT of God...BECAUSE they also are spirit.

The Son of Man is Christ the Lord. No scripture says otherwise.

Human men can SEE the Son of Man.
Human men can NOT SEE God.
Quit pretending KNOWLEDGE allows you to SEE, what you are NOT allowed to SEE.

You think when Jesus spoke, MEN HEARD GODS actual VOICE?
You think when men SAW Jesus, MEN actually SAW GODS Bodily Form?

THEY COULD KNOW...but not SEE!

John 5:
[37] And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

No, I am what’s called a Bible believer “IN” Christ.

Those IN Christ have an appointment to MEET the Lord in the Air.
Those IN Christ are NOT appointed to WRATH.
Those IN Christ are NOT on earth WITH the unrighteous during the Tribulation.

You will be on Earth LOOKING UP, waiting for the Son of Man to appear.
Wailing....
Christ’s Church will RETURN TO the Earth WITH THEIR Lord. (Col 3:4)

You claim you will be on the earth...NOT lifted UP...
LOL...HOW do you expect to APPEAR WITH Christ...When He APPEARS in the Clouds....and you being on the Earth?



Col 3:
[4] When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Those IN Christ are NOT appointed to WRATH.

Yes, I know.

Because the tribulation is the period where Antichrist will be killing the saints (Revelation 13:15).

But after this Christ comes and he will gather his elect and destroy the Antichrist.

Then the wrath of God will be poured out (Revelation 15:1) after the saints get taken up to meet their Lord in the air.

Those IN Christ are NOT on earth WITH the unrighteous during the Tribulation

Yes they are. I showed scripture proving this.

Where’s your scripture evidence?

 

[The Light]

Jesus coming more than once is fiction.

This is not taught anywhere in the New Testament.

It's everywhere, if you understand scripture.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's everywhere, if you understand scripture.

I do understand scripture which is why I know the pre-tribulation rapture is fiction.

When are you going to use scripture to prove what you’re saying?

 

[Taken]

Yes, I know.

Because the tribulation is the period where Antichrist will be killing the saints (Revelation 13:15).

But after this Christ comes and he will gather his elect and destroy the Antichrist.

The Lord gathers His People, the Church, NOT subject to Wrath, before the Wrath!

Gods Elect are gathered AFTER the 1,000 year reign.

Then the wrath of God will be poured out (Revelation 15:1) after the saints get taken up to meet their Lord in the air.

Oops you skipped the Wrath of the Lamb....SEALS gee wonder who the Lamb is angry with and why.....oh ya....angry with men who rejected belief in the Lamb and rejected the Lambs Salvation....

And you skipped the Devils Wrath....gee wonder the Devil is angry with and why....oh ya...angry with men who reject him.

Uh Huh....then Gods Wrath the VIALS....Gods anger for being rejected and Gods VENGEANCE for men persecuting Believers...and for Advocating for others to NOT believe in the Lord God Almighty.

And then ....there you be on earth...looking up, waiting for the Son of Man to appear...and there I’ll be with My Lord coming with Him.

Where’s your scripture evidence?

You do not lack Scriptural evidence. It has been repeatedly quoted on this forum and has not disappeared from the pages of your Bible.

You Lack putting away what you have been told to believe, and failed to verify. You lack putting away the false doctrines men teach. You lack putting away those things and coming to the Word of God as a child who has not been corrupted with words that tickled their ears...sounded good....made sense.

Men’s words appease carnal minds.
Gods Word speaks in the Spirit.
Men’s words appease via pick and choose logically.
Gods Word speaks only Truth, you do not pick and choose between the things of what God says.....you pick and choose to believe Him or Not.

God has NO WRATH, Anger, or Tribulation FROM HIM, planned, foretold, taught, FOR Men “IN” Christ.

When Gods Tribulation IS SENT down from Heaven...IF YOU ARE ON EARTH.....YOU WILL Experience...the Lambs Wrath, the Devil Wrath, Gods Wrath....in a portion or fully....NONE ON EARTH are excepted...
Other than Gods 2 witness ... only temporarily....and Gods 144,000 and A Lamb.....IF YOU ARE NONE of those things.....and ON Earth during GODS TRIBULATION....you WILL experience some or all of Gods TRIBULATION...

WHY you think Christ’s Church shall experience ANY of that....is completely in opposition to Gods Word.

Go, read your Bible...search, read, find....ONE verse whereby God expressly SHALL send His Tribulation down from Heaven UPON Christ’s Church....THEN come spout your accusations.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Oops you skipped the Wrath of the Lamb....

Oh what?

Are you now going to tell me that the wrath of God and of the Lamb are two different things as well?

You Lack putting away what you have been told to believe,

I have been instructed by Bible alone. I believe what the Bible says.

You lack putting away the false doctrines men teach

I have never accepted any teachings from men.

Men’s words appease carnal minds.

Which is why your posts are unappeasable to me…

Go, read your Bible...

I am.

I am on track for 4 complete Bible readings this year. I could probably squeeze in 5 readings if I didn’t come on this board.

find....ONE verse whereby God expressly SHALL send His Tribulation down from Heaven UPON Christ’s Church...

There is no verse that says this.

The tribulation is Antichrist’s persecution on Christ’s Church (as I already proved by scripture).

The Church will be gone when God pours out his wrath.

 

[Taken]

Oh what?

Are you now going to tell me that the wrath of God and of the Lamb are two different things as well?

I don’t need to tell you. Scripture tells you.

I have been instructed by Bible alone.

I would say that is false on it’s face, less you NEVER Heard of God, Jesus, Christ, the Lamb of God, etc. growing up.

I believe what the Bible says.

You probably do. However believing Knowledge does not equal Understanding the Knowledge.

I have never accepted any teachings from men.

So NEVER DID, your parents, your teachers, your neighbors, your friends EVER mention or SPEAK a word about God, about Jesus, about the Lord, etc. ?

Which is why your posts are unappeasable to me…

They should be, they are supposed to be.

I am on track for 4 complete Bible readings this year. I could probably squeeze in 5 readings if I didn’t come on this board.

Scripture is not a Novel to be read cover to cover like a Novel.
Scripture is a FASCINATING, mesmerizing book of Knowledge that reads LIKE unbelievable Mysterious FICTION. The Carnal Mind is not equipped to BELIEVE what does not Logically make sense. And when men TRY to figure out Mindfully the Mysteries of God.....whep....ya get Philosophers opinions and umpteen hundreds of pea brain personal opinions and interpretations....(not much unlike todays 24-7 repetitious propaganda News commentaries)....

When the Scripture says Lamb of God....THAT is what you should picture, WHO He is, WHAT is His role, purpose, intent.
The Lamb of God IS Gods Baptizer. God dictates that ROLE and to WHOM.
The Lord has His ROLE. The Christ has His ROLE...
An ADULT such as yourself....already KNOW they are ONE...and thereafter you mesh their ROLES as ONE....when they are NOT!

When I said put away what you have learned.....start over as a child...you would LEARN AS A CHILD, not knowing the ending.
You should learn WHO has what ROLE and WHY.

You come to this forum with the NAME...Michiah-Imla ....and that name is expressly used on this FORUM for YOUR ROLE on THIS forum...
I would suppose at Home you have others names that correspond to your ROLE in your Home....and other names that correspond to your ROLE at work....and other names that correspond to names older relatives call you....or old school chums....
If your were an Attorney, in a court room conducting Attorney business, and the Judge blurted out Overruled Michih-Imla.....would you be surprised?
Point being, because you have KNOWLEDGE of the end of the story...
Your perspective and understanding becomes BLURRED, when you begin substituting Names and Titles from the precise Names and Titles Scripture USES in particular verses and context.

You have Christ returning to Earth....Why, who would SEE Him?
Christ is Gods Power. Can you SEE Gods Power? No. Gods Power IS His Glory. YOU can See the Reflection and Results of Gods Power. But you can not SEE Gods Power. You would instantly die if your human eyes Looked upon Gods Power.
There was a reason the Son of Man was sent to Earth....expressly so HUMAN EYES could see Him, could hear Him....and it is the Son of Man, that shall return to earth so HUMAN Eyes can again see Him.

The tribulation is Antichrist’s persecution on Christ’s Church (as I already proved by scripture).

Good grief man...the anti-Christ was cast down to the Earth BEFORE mankind was created out of the dust of the Earth....NOT a News Flesh, the anti-Christ has been persecuting manKIND, for 6,000 years Long before manKIND knew there was such a thing as “the Christ”.

The Tribulation is Gods Works, because of His Anger, because of HOW Corrupt and devious and embracing the World’s “kings” and the World’s population at large” is SO accepting and advocating of things that are an Abomination to God.

The Church will be gone when God pours out his wrath.

The Church will be gone, Lifted UP, before ANY Wrath, Tribulation IS SENT DOWN FROM Heaven!

You are seriously off kilter, if you think the Church ... every individual with the Spirit of God “IN” them...is a target of Gods Anger...

That is like saying....God shall send His Wrath and Tribulation UPON HIMSELF.

Do you really think, God IN Heaven Sending Down His Tribulation UPON the Earth.....is God SENDING His WRATH and Tribulation UPON men, WHILE His SPIRIT IS “IN” those men?

God is not ON EARTH, while He is destroying the Earth...How can a man in Christ be WITH Him, and On Earth at the same time?

Even your mindful logic makes no sense.

2 Tim 2:
[11] It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Taken I already made my point with scripture.

If you want to keep on babbling without scripture have it. But we’re done.

Good luck and may God bless you.