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Interesting.

I never connected the tribes mentioned in the book of James to the ones in Revelation.
Romans 2:28-29KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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No such thing as a 1,000 year kingdom upon this earth after the return of Jesus Christ, it's a man made fabricated fairy tale

That's because you are ignoring Revelation 20, where a 1,000 year kingdom upon this earth after the return of Jesus Christ is written about.
 

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That's because you are ignoring Revelation 20, where a 1,000 year kingdom upon this earth after the return of Jesus Christ is written about.
Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

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Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived


Revelation 20 speaks of the Earthly Millennium kingdom. Even Amillennialism teaches the Millennium is on the Earth right now! LOL...you guys claim it's happening now on the Earth but in hypocrisy claim it cannot happen on the Earth for Premills! Bunch of hypocrites!
 

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Scripture clearly teaches "The Elect Remnant" are chosen and elected to salvation through God's "Foreknowledge" and "Added" to the "Church" just as all believers are saved and "Added" to the "Church"

Romans 11:2-8KJV
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Looks like you read past something important.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

I've got to think that you might possibly understand that Paul was talking about those at HIS present time that were Jews that could see that Jesus was the prophesied Messiah. Let's read what scripture clearly teaches.

You are very confused about end time events. The only thing that I think you understand is that the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet.
 

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No such thing as a 1,000 year kingdom upon this earth after the return of Jesus Christ, it's a man made fabricated fairy tale

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

How did you come to believe in Amillennialism? Amillennialism is a man-made belief that began in 1580 and was started by German immigrant Klan Felton Farley.
 

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Satan sometimes offers a counterfeit to deceive people out of the true thing. I believe the pre-trib rapture is the counterfeit.

Okay.
So WHAT exactly is Satan’s part of trickery, Satan’s GAIN, in promoting a PRE-Tribulation RAPTURE?
What Scripture reveal Satan promoting Salvation with Christ Jesus?

And WHY exactly does the Lord God, WANT men who have:
* Repented of their Disbelief (sin Against God)
* Confessed their Heartful Belief.
* LAID DOWN their Life, crucified with Jesus, FOR their belief
* Received Forgiveness
* Received Gods gift of Restoring their soul.
* Received circumcision of their Heart, ie a new Heart.
* Received Gods Truth (Jesus “IN” them)
* Received Gods Power (Christ “IN” them)
* Received Gods Seed (Christ “IN” them)
* Received Gods Works of Rebirthing their spirit.
* Become “IN” Christ.
THAT MAN ^^^ TO BE ON EARTH and SUBJECT TO GODS WRATH and TRIBULATION that He SHALL SEND DOWN FROM HEAVEN UPON THE WHOLE EARTH and IT’S INHABITANTS (ignoring the 144,000 sealed), but speaking of the World’s People at large..

Please inform us of WHY....and WHAT is their ^^^ “unrighteousness” God shall PUNISH them for?

Rom 1:
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;


Both Paul and Christ presented a rapture that takes place post-trib,

No.
Pre-Tribulation “RAPTURE”, applies ONLY to those “CONVERTED IN CHRIST”.

“First Resurrection”, applies ONLY to those “who bodily died BELIEVING, in God, in Jesus, but were NOT CONVERTED” “IN” Christ, BECAUSE they DID NOT CONFESS their Belief.

You do know ...
BELIEVING IS one thing...
CONFESSING Belief is another thing? Yes?

Believer...Confessor....either way...GOD Himself Verifies...God Himself searches a man’s HEART for the man’s TRUE Belief.
WHEN? When a man CONFESSES....TRUE confession? Converted, is Saved.
WHEN? When a man BODILY DIES....TRUE confession? Shall be saved.

with the Church definitely suffering satan's persecutions in the Great Tribulation.

Really? God is angry at the Church, WHO HAS CONFESSED to God, their sorrow for having HAD disbelief? WHO HAS CONFESSED their TRUE Heartful BELIEF? WHO LAID down their Life unto DEATH crucified with Jesus?

Really? Satan’s presence on earth since Before mankind was Created, was NOT an obstacle for MEN for the past 6,000 years?

Really? Satan’s Persecution of Christ’s Church for the past 2,000 years was NOT sufficient? God WANTS Christ’s Church to SUFFER a SECOND DEATH? WHY?
(Did you FORGET the Converted ALREADY LAID down their LIFE, Crucified with Jesus??)
(Did you FORGET IT IS Gods ANGER, Gods WRATH, Gods TRIBULATION He sends down from HEAVEN?
WHY does God want His Converted, the very same HIS Spirit is “IN”, to suffer HIS WRATH?

Do you NOT SEE a CONFLICT of God POURING OUT HIS WRATH upon Himself, BECAUSE His OWN Spirit is IN a Converted man?

Why DID God pour out His WRATH upon the Whole Earth and Every inhabitant upon the face of the Earth......BUT NOT UPON Noah and his family? Why did God Except Noah? Save him? Raise Him UP above the Face of the Earth, WHILE God destroyed the Earth and it’s inhabitants?

Scripture tells us WHY Noah was Lifted Up off the face of the Earth, WHILE God destroyed the Earth!

Gen 6:
[8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

What did God SEE in Noah, that was not IN other men?
Peter elaborates WHAT God found/Saw IN Noah.

2 Pet 2:
[5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, (BECAUSE) a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

What does that TELL YOU?
Does a wavering “believer”...believe, doubt, wonder, believe some, deny some, not sure....ALWAYS speak the righteousness OF GOD? No.
* WHY? Because the Power of God IS NOT IN Him. At any time that man CAN STAND AGAINST GOD!

Does a CONVERTED MAN...EVER speak AGAINST God? No.
* WHY NOT? The Power of God IS IN Him. God CAN NOT STAND AGAINST Himself!

DID you NOT Hear, Notice, Listen, Comprehend...Jesus IMPRESSING, to BECOME CONVERTED? And not comprehend WHY?

God is supreme Power.
Children are the weakest.
Adults at large are the next weakest.
Men in POWER seats with Power, rule, dictate, oppress, force.
Satan has great power to trick, connive, make a lie sound tempting.

A man WITH Gods Power IN them, have overcome, do not fall for...
Lies, deceit, of power sitting men, or Satan’s trickery....and IF you are aware of THESE current days....
Power sitting men OF the world are banded together, by all means OPPRESSING men in standing WITH and IN God...and preaching themselves AS peace makers, AS safety nets, AS life saviors, WITH their promises of “ENTICING” trinkets, and freebies.
 

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How did you come to believe in Amillennialism? Amillennialism is a man-made belief that began in 1580 and was started by German immigrant Klan Felton Farley.
My belief is driven by the scripture, I never studied Ahmillenniasm or its popular teachers

Scripture teaches the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation

That there will be a future literal human man of Jewish decent as the antichrist

There will be two literal prophets returned Enoch/Elijah, that will bring literal plagues upon this world Rev 11

Jesus will return in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

If that's what you call traditional Ahmillennialism then that's who I am

Jesus Is The Lord
 
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Okay.
So WHAT exactly is Satan’s part of trickery, Satan’s GAIN, in promoting a PRE-Tribulation RAPTURE?
What Scripture reveal Satan promoting Salvation with Christ Jesus?

And WHY exactly does the Lord God, WANT men who have:
* Repented of their Disbelief (sin Against God)
* Confessed their Heartful Belief.
* LAID DOWN their Life, crucified with Jesus, FOR their belief
* Received Forgiveness
* Received Gods gift of Restoring their soul.
* Received circumcision of their Heart, ie a new Heart.
* Received Gods Truth (Jesus “IN” them)
* Received Gods Power (Christ “IN” them)
* Received Gods Seed (Christ “IN” them)
* Received Gods Works of Rebirthing their spirit.
* Become “IN” Christ.
THAT MAN ^^^ TO BE ON EARTH and SUBJECT TO GODS WRATH and TRIBULATION that He SHALL SEND DOWN FROM HEAVEN UPON THE WHOLE EARTH and IT’S INHABITANTS (ignoring the 144,000 sealed), but speaking of the World’s People at large..

Please inform us of WHY....and WHAT is their ^^^ “unrighteousness” God shall PUNISH them for?

Rom 1:
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;




No.
Pre-Tribulation “RAPTURE”, applies ONLY to those “CONVERTED IN CHRIST”.

“First Resurrection”, applies ONLY to those “who bodily died BELIEVING, in God, in Jesus, but were NOT CONVERTED” “IN” Christ, BECAUSE they DID NOT CONFESS their Belief.

You do know ...
BELIEVING IS one thing...
CONFESSING Belief is another thing? Yes?

Believer...Confessor....either way...GOD Himself Verifies...God Himself searches a man’s HEART for the man’s TRUE Belief.
WHEN? When a man CONFESSES....TRUE confession? Converted, is Saved.
WHEN? When a man BODILY DIES....TRUE confession? Shall be saved.



Really? God is angry at the Church, WHO HAS CONFESSED to God, their sorrow for having HAD disbelief? WHO HAS CONFESSED their TRUE Heartful BELIEF? WHO LAID down their Life unto DEATH crucified with Jesus?

Really? Satan’s presence on earth since Before mankind was Created, was NOT an obstacle for MEN for the past 6,000 years?

Really? Satan’s Persecution of Christ’s Church for the past 2,000 years was NOT sufficient? God WANTS Christ’s Church to SUFFER a SECOND DEATH? WHY?
(Did you FORGET the Converted ALREADY LAID down their LIFE, Crucified with Jesus??)
(Did you FORGET IT IS Gods ANGER, Gods WRATH, Gods TRIBULATION He sends down from HEAVEN?
WHY does God want His Converted, the very same HIS Spirit is “IN”, to suffer HIS WRATH?

Do you NOT SEE a CONFLICT of God POURING OUT HIS WRATH upon Himself, BECAUSE His OWN Spirit is IN a Converted man?

Why DID God pour out His WRATH upon the Whole Earth and Every inhabitant upon the face of the Earth......BUT NOT UPON Noah and his family? Why did God Except Noah? Save him? Raise Him UP above the Face of the Earth, WHILE God destroyed the Earth and it’s inhabitants?

Scripture tells us WHY Noah was Lifted Up off the face of the Earth, WHILE God destroyed the Earth!

Gen 6:
[8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

What did God SEE in Noah, that was not IN other men?
Peter elaborates WHAT God found/Saw IN Noah.

2 Pet 2:
[5] And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, (BECAUSE) a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

What does that TELL YOU?
Does a wavering “believer”...believe, doubt, wonder, believe some, deny some, not sure....ALWAYS speak the righteousness OF GOD? No.
* WHY? Because the Power of God IS NOT IN Him. At any time that man CAN STAND AGAINST GOD!

Does a CONVERTED MAN...EVER speak AGAINST God? No.
* WHY NOT? The Power of God IS IN Him. God CAN NOT STAND AGAINST Himself!

DID you NOT Hear, Notice, Listen, Comprehend...Jesus IMPRESSING, to BECOME CONVERTED? And not comprehend WHY?

God is supreme Power.
Children are the weakest.
Adults at large are the next weakest.
Men in POWER seats with Power, rule, dictate, oppress, force.
Satan has great power to trick, connive, make a lie sound tempting.

A man WITH Gods Power IN them, have overcome, do not fall for...
Lies, deceit, of power sitting men, or Satan’s trickery....and IF you are aware of THESE current days....
Power sitting men OF the world are banded together, by all means OPPRESSING men in standing WITH and IN God...and preaching themselves AS peace makers, AS safety nets, AS life saviors, WITH their promises of “ENTICING” trinkets, and freebies.
There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you claim, it was invented by John N. Darby1830's and popularized by C.I. Scofield's 1909 reference Bible, better known as dispensationalism

Pre-tribbers do nothing more than take the second coming seen in scripture, and claim its a pre-trib rapture, with 1 Thessallonians 4:15-17 below being a prime example


The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth
; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 
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My belief is driven by the scripture, I never studied Ahmillenniasm or its popular teachers
That was a little humor that you missed. Pretrib... John Nelson Darby. Amillennialism... Klan Felton Farley. Fictional character.

But the real humor is that you use Darby and claim that a pretribulation rapture cannot be correct because it was not taught before 1800's (which is incorrect) Then when I pose the same argument as to when Amillennialism was created (which was fictional), you say you don't know when it was created, but you believe it because the Bible says so (which is incorrect)
Scripture teaches the Church will be on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation
You cannot find a single scripture that says that the Church will be present on earth during the Tribulation. Not one.
That there will be a future literal human man of Jewish decent as the antichrist
The Antichrist will not be of Jewish decent. You should already know who the Antichrist is and he's not Jewish.
 
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There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you claim,


Okay...I believe ONE WAY.
Okay...You disagree.
Okay...You Believe ANOTHER WAY.
Okay...No clue WHAT you believe, since you do not reveal what YOU Believe.
Okay...Conclusion...You disagree with me.
Okay...Conclusion...You add nothing to consider.


Pre-tribbers do nothing more than take the second coming seen in scripture...

False. Pre-tribulation RAPTURE has NOTHING to do with the Son of man’s Second Coming.

You should get a Q-tip, clean your ears, and LISTEN to what an other says for themselves, instead of YOU making up a FALSE TESTIMONY, and speaking for others...

Start with a LIE....end of discussion.
I am not accountable for LIES out of the mouths of others.
 

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The Antichrist will not be of Jewish decent. You should already know who the Antichrist is and he's not Jewish.
The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.
 

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You cannot find a single scripture that says that the Church will be present on earth during the Tribulation. Not one.

The Antichrist will not be of Jewish decent. You should already know who the Antichrist is and he's not Jewish.
Scripture clearly teaches below that the church will be present on earth to witness the tribulation and second coming

Lift Up Your Heads Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 

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Okay.
So WHAT exactly is Satan’s part of trickery, Satan’s GAIN, in promoting a PRE-Tribulation RAPTURE?


He tricks people into thinking he is God, gets their worship, and causes the Apostasy and they t6ake the mark of the beast. It's no coincidence that pretribbers thinking the Apostasy is the "rapture". This is perfect evidence of pretrib leading people straight to the antichrist.
 

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That there will be a future literal human man of Jewish decent as the antichrist

The bible never says he is Jewish.


There will be two literal prophets returned Enoch/Elijah, that will bring literal plagues upon this world Rev 11

The bible never names the two prophets.


Jesus will return in fire and final judgment, dissolving this earth by fire (The End)

This does not come from the bible at all. Revelation 19-20 shows that Christ returns and destroys the beast and his army then precedes to rule over the nations for a thousand years.
 

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He tricks people into thinking he is God, gets their worship, and causes the Apostasy and they t6ake the mark of the beast. It's no coincidence that pretribbers thinking the Apostasy is the "rapture".

What are you talking about?
What “pre-tribber’” has SAID “Apostasy is the rapture”?

This is perfect evidence of pretrib leading people straight to the antichrist.

How is what YOU Claim for other People...”perfect evidence”?

What a load of gobblygook...

Have you ZERO clue what the Rapture IS? Or WHY it IS?
 

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The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

No. The person discussed in Daniel 11:37 is not "THE" Antichrist. He is "AN" Antichrist. In the last days there will be more than one false savior.

Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

The person in Daniel 11:37 is a King of the North that will be killed when there is a time of trouble like no other.

Daniel 11
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

This is the rider on the white horse who goes forth conquering and to conquer. He will certainly not be a Jew.
 

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Scripture clearly teaches below that the church will be present on earth to witness the tribulation and second coming

Lift Up Your Heads Your Redemption Draweth Nigh

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


I see no mention of the Church. The Church will already be in heaven when this event occurs.
Luke 21:25-28 is for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman....Israel.

Revelation 14
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 
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What are you talking about?
What “pre-tribber’” has SAID “Apostasy is the rapture”?

Tons.







Have you ZERO clue what the Rapture IS? Or WHY it IS?

Of course. It is you that doesn't understand it, or when it happens.
 

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I see no mention of the Church. The Church will already be in heaven when this event occurs.
Luke 21:25-28 is for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman....Israel.

Revelation 14
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


That speaks of Christians, the church, who will be persecuted in the Great Tribulation.