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@Bible Highlighter
It seems that you purposely misunderstand us and even the the Bible You Highlight.
I don’t misunderstand the Free Grace crowd. I have been debating against Free Grace Christians since 2011.
My goal is to share with them what the Bible says.
But of course they ignore many verses.
You said:What I write, from study and faith
What you write is from the study of Protestants, just as Catholics study the Bible from the slant of Catholicism.
You said:What Grailhunter writes, from study and faith
He is a liberal. He hangs out with Catholics, Mormons, and believes in Darwin Evolution.
He does not see sex before marriage as a sin. He does not have a problem with Halloween, and worldly sinful movies, etcetera.
You said:Living a life of love for God. A life of faith in God.
Is knowing that OUR sins are forgiven.
Only past sin is forgiven and not future sin. Otherwise verses like 1 John 1:9 would not make any sense.
Otherwise verses like Galatians 5:19-21 would not make any sense.
You said:This doesn't remove sin which is our nature but does help us to sin less. Sin less not be sinless!
Jesus did not say sin less to two people. Jesus said sin no more to two people (See: John 5:14, and John 8:11).
If this was not the case, then Jesus would be advocating others to sin (Which would be wrong).
1 Peter 4:1-2 says that he that suffers in the flesh can cease from sin, and that we should live the rest of our time not to the lusts of the flesh, but to the will of God.
Galatians 5:24 says that they that are Christ’s have crucified the affections.
2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
Galatians 5:16 says walk after the Spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
God says be ye holy because I am holy (1 Peter 1:16).
You said:Do you read, READ the message or do you take a few words as the message.
I ask because I keep seeing a few words "THAT ARE" the message, not just from you but others. Even though finishing the paragraph or Jesus's full story is another meaning then what your select message is.
Yes while the publican beat his breast as an action in Jesus's parable when he Jesus concludes his story that attitude that Jesus was pointing to IS humility.
If the Pharisee in the parable had beat on his breast would that action have atoned for his self exaltation?
The finish, "" the humble shall be exalted while exalted will be humbled.""
I am not going to back through the posts to prove you posted this but it fits with your very selective word writing
Paul says if any speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).
The Pharisees did not obey God. For they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like love, faith, justice, and mercy (Matthew 23:23) (Luke 11:42).
Philippians 2:8 says,
“And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”
Philippians 2:5 says,
“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:”
Meaning, we are to humble ourselves to be obedient unto death like Jesus Christ did with God the Father..
The Pharisee did not really obey God, and there were sins that needed to be confessed to God.
The Pharisee also thought he was better than the Tax Collector, when the Pharisee himself is nothing.
For Paul says if any man think himself to be something when he is nothing, he deceives himself (Galatians 6:3).
It’s God who does the good work through the believer (Philippians 2:13).
We are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) in context to Philippians 2:5-8.
You said:I was hit with Ps.106 v3 you know verse three very well in your selective way.
But the other 47 verses fully contradict what I am told v3 means by itself.
The first two verses close v3 out from it was posted to mean. The last 45 verses totally cut the conclusions that were put forward as the meaning of verse 3.
As a Christian that has faith in God's love that he has freely given me redemption. I am not lifted out of my mean natural state of being a sinner. But I am through love being given a chance to sin less.
To pick one verse out of many and assigning other meaning to that verse. What are you showing the world? Contempt, is the first term that jumped in to my mind.
First, the problem with your interpretation on Psalms 106:3 is that you are not showing how the words of that verse are actually true in light of your belief. You just seem to cherry pick other verses from a wrong slanted point of view while you ignore others (like Psalms 106:3).
Second, no doubt you probably see a sin and still be saved viewpoint in Psalms 106 by looking at verse 6, but it is referring to their past sins.
If a believer could never do righteousness at all times, then the. Psalmist would never bring up the possibility of the person who does righteousness at all times. Anyways, in Psalms 106, we get a lesson of Israel being saved out of Egypt, but they soon forgot his works and did not wait upon God’s counsel (verse 13). They (the Israelites saved out of Egypt) all drank of that spiritual drink and they drank of that Rock, and that Rock was Christ (See: 1 Corinthians 10:1-5). But they fell in the wilderness during the time of their temptation. They failed to pass the test and they lost their salvation. They were saved, but then they lost it. They departed from the living God by later having unbelief (Hebrews 3:12-18). They believed in the beginning because they put the blood on the doorposts, but they did not continue to believe.
Like the Israelites of old, they did not always trust God in going out against pagan nations when they were outnumbered. They did not trust God to win a battle that seemed impossible. So too today, believers cannot believe God’s Word in that they can overcome sin in this life (even though His Word teaches them to do so - 1 Peter 4:1-2, Galatians 5:24, 2 Corinthians 7:1).
You said:If they say they are without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
We’ve already been over 1 John 1:8 before.
It’s not referring to how you must admit you are a sinner always 24/7.
The context does not even support that line of thinking.
John says to “sin not” (Which means he believes it is possible for one to “sin not”).
John also basically says that the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). So if you take your sin and still be saved viewpoint on 1 John 1:8 and you just end up contradicting the very next chapter.
John is writing to the brethren in regards to them who were trying to seduce them (1 John 2:26).
We both agree 1 John 1:10. We both believe that we have sinned in our past life before coming to Christ.
But the gnostic did not believe that. They believed sin was an illusion or non-existent. That is what 1 John 1:8 is saying. It is saying if we say we have no sin [if we do sin] we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
You said:One of the greatest Christians that ever lived wrote these words.
That same Christian wrote,
that which I should I do not and that which I should not I do.
It wholly and totally false to say that any man for any reason can be sinless.
Stop quoting men, and quote the Bible.
You said:Only living to return God's love to him can I sin less. That love will keep me from purposely sinning but not stop natural sin altogether. To say anything else is false and purposely false.
To say that in saying that natural sin is unavoidable is saying I can do any sin freely is a legalistic pharisitical teaching of the bible.
Yours in Christ
Alfredthefifth
You have been brainwashed by Protestantism because it has a been a huge major influence upon your life. I would encourage you to simply get into the Bible alone and ignore what Protestants say. For Catholics read the Bible with Catholics talking in their ear. So that is how they understand the Bible. One needs to come out of their false religion and just believe the Bible alone in what it says. Key prime example is your denial of Psalms 106:3. You still have yet to explain how you believe this verse. You simply don’t believe it. This verse cannot be true in your belief system.
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