The Race Question is a Godly Question

[JohnPaul]

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

God set out to make man exactly the way he is. Man was then created to look like the exact image of God, and his sons; the angels. If you ever wondered what an angel form looks like? Then look into a mirror, for we are created in their image.

Note that God created first the fish, then the fowl, and then the beasts. Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind. God then gave man the dominion over all the animal kingdom. He gave the animal cattle to hunt, and fish to catch for food, as well as taming them for domestic use. Man is the highest form of all life on this earth, though many movements today act as if they don't know it. When they place and value their soul little more then animal life.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.

Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

The intent of God was to have each race multiply "after their kind". For God created all that is necessary for all mankind to exist. "Replenish" is translated properly, and the command is to replenish the earth. This earth had a population in the first earth age, and it was inhabited by God's children. Satan caused one third of all God's children to fall, and follow him, and the result of that fall angered God. That is when "the earth became [tohu-va bohu] a waste and desolation", as recorded in verse two.

God is now commanding the races to multiply and "repopulate" the earth "after their kind". It seems though today that the whole world is a bit color blind, or maybe they think God is out of touch with today's world. It is interesting though, following Noah's flood in Genesis 9:1; "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth."

These are the only two places in the Bible where the word "replenish" is used, and both deal with the time following a destruction of the earth and mankind by a flood. To replenish anything, means that it had to exist prior, and in the same form.

Adam has yet to be formed,this will happen after His(Gods) rest.

I never heard this, Adam was the first man period.

No one seems to be weighing in on this guy’s claim, weird.

 

[JohnPaul]

Is not all of Europe White? I'm trying to understand people's perspectives here, is why I'm asking.

Can no one answer my question, is not all Europe White?

 

[brakelite]

Can no one answer my question, is not all Europe White?

Yes it is. My point though earlier is that some race divisions aren't based on colour... Hence the historical wars between Teutonic peoples and Latin.... Slavic and Central a Asian (Turk) etc. As well as the inter island conflicts between Samoans and Tongans and a few others.

 

[Stranger]

Yes it is. My point though earlier is that some race divisions aren't based on colour... Hence the historical wars between Teutonic peoples and Latin.... Slavic and Central a Asian (Turk) etc. As well as the inter island conflicts between Samoans and Tongans and a few others.

Wars don't determine race.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

I never heard this, Adam was the first man period.

No one seems to be weighing in on this guy’s claim, weird.

Because they are too silly to respond to.

Stranger

 

[JohnPaul]

Because they are too silly to respond to.

Stranger

Very true.

 

[Enoch111]

Can no one answer my question, is not all Europe White?

That is hardly relevant. The divisions that exist within Europe are ancient and will never disappear. A good example is the Balkans. The French, the British, and the Germans all believe that each one is superior to the other. And so it goes, on and on. Every one of the Europeans believe that they are better than the others.

 

[n2thelight]

According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
Jewish population by country - Wikipedia
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See that's the problem,Israel are NOT just ALL Jew's ,they make up only two tribes

 

[n2thelight]

I never heard this, Adam was the first man period.

No one seems to be weighing in on this guy’s claim, weird.

It's plain as day .He made male and female at the same time on the same day

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."

This is not Adam nor Eve

Now let's see Adam

Genesis 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them."

This chapter begins after the completion of the heavens and the earth, when it is fit for habitation. The "hosts" are the masses of people of every race, created on the sixth day, and their offspring, as each race multiplied "after their kind". "Hosts" in the Hebrew text, is given as "tsaba", which shows a binding unity within each group or race, such as organizing for war. In the Strong's Hebrew dictionary it is # 6635, it comes from the root meaning "to assemble to perform". Each of these souls or people, having been created, now stood ready to pass through this earth age. Each soul having the free will to choose light, or darkness.

Genesis 2:2 "And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made."

When God rested on the seventh day, all forms of plant and animal life was in existence, and man was the last in the creative process of God. In ancient writings from the second century A.D., translated from [Sanhedrin viii, 7]; "Why was man created last? That the heretics might not say there was a companion with Him in the work, i.e., that man should not have claim to share with Him."

The work was finished on the sixth day, and all activity of God's creative efforts stopped on the seventh day. God rested from all the work involving the universe.

Genesis 2:3 "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He had rested from all His work which God created and made."

All the rejuvenation that took place was finished. Though the so-called "higher critics" say there is a change in authorship from the "P" to the "J" manuscripts, because we are using our commentary from Ezra and Nehemiah's "Massoretic text" manuscripts of Dr C. D. Ginsburg, there should be no conflict in the continuation of thought between the first and second chapters of Genesis. Both chapters come from the same source, and not separate authorships written years apart.

Genesis 2:4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,"

Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

It is clearly understood that the fish, the fowl, all the wild animals of every kind are created, and living on earth. All races of mankind have also been created, and multiplying also, except the Adamic [white] race. With all this life, God is stating that there still is "no man to till the ground"; to be a farmer.

Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground."

This "mist" is the morning dew that watered the earth.

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The word "formed" is used [molded as clay] to describe the making of Adam. When man was formed he became a living creature. In the Hebrew it is "eth-ha-adham", which refers to the particular person "Adam", (not a generic form for man). The "Ha-Adham" [Adam] is the man that Christ will come forth through. Matthew 1:1-17, and Luke 3:23-38 both give us our documentation that this is true and did come to pass. Paul states in I Corinthians 15:21-23 that sin came into the world by the first Adam, but by the second Adam [Christ} all shall be made alive. Christ is the first fruits [to come out of the grave to everlasting life], and then "they that are Christ's at His coming". There was death by the first Adam, and salvation by Christ Himself.

Genesis 2:8 "(And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed."

In this "Eden" which God had formed, He put "eth-ha adham" [not any man, but "the Adam"]. This is the man "Adam" formed from clay in Genesis 2:7, and not the "male and female" of the races of the sixth day creation of Genesis 1:27-28. Eden is a special place that God made, following the seventh day of rest, for a special man called Adam.

God first created the wilderness, then the creatures, followed by male and female of all races; and then He rested. This Adam is of the eighth day creation, when God formed Adam, and we will see that when Cain went to the wilderness, he married into the sixth day creation's offspring.

 

[Stranger]

@n2thelight

More kitty diarrhea seeking to cover up.

Has nothing to do with the OP.

Stranger

 

[Willie T]

 

[n2thelight]

@n2thelight

More kitty diarrhea seeking to cover up.

Has nothing to do with the OP.

Stranger

Well dang,don't respond!!!Has everything to do with the OP.

 

[n2thelight]

I say this in light of the Scriptures. I have shown before that all races come from the descendants of Noah...Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

Shem received blessing from God. Japheth received blessing from God. Ham received no blessing and his descendants were cursed.

Yet all the world is against Shem and Japheth. They elevate the 'race of color' as if they somehow depict such glory and honor. But, who is the prince of the world?

When God places His blessing upon Shem and Japheth, is it not surprising that satan would hate and bring the world against those of their race? And is it not surprising that satan would elevate the race of Ham, whom God has cursed.

As the title I have chosen says, the race question is indeed a Godly question. Are you brave enough to consider it? Or do you fold like a plant in the hot Texas sun.

Stranger

Now since you feel my response has nothing to do with your OP,let's get it right first.

Genesis 9:24 "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."

Again, there is no law against seeing your father naked.

Genesis 9:25 "And he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall be unto his brethren."

What did this verse say? He [Noah] said, "cursed be Canaan". It says that Noah said, and not God, for it is Noah doing the talking. This old man was just getting up from an drunken binge, and has an hang-over, when he cursed Canaan, and not Ham. Canaan had just been conceived, and the embryo had just been formed inside Noah's wife. It was the act that Noah cursed.

Genesis 9:26 "And he said, "Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

This is still Noah doing the talking, and not God.

Genesis 9:27 "God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

As long as Noah was still the head of the house, this curse remained a fact. However, as soon as Noah was gone, so also was Noah's word, and his curse.

Genesis 9:28 "And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years."

Genesis 9:29 "And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died."

Don't allow yourself to be placed into a position of shame because of the ignorance and lies of others. Each man has a right and duty, both to God and himself to be proud of his identity, (i.e. race), and position before the Almighty Father. God made you and placed in you a mind, a will and free choice within you. That free will allows you to chose your destiny, and through your choosing you will either follow the ways of God, or the sinful ways of man. He desires that you follow Him, and the inheritance that He offers to you. All people have the same and equal opportunity before the Father, through His Son, Jesus Christ.

God has made blood covenants with his people; With Adam, Noah, Abraham, David and so on. These were to be based on passing value from one generation to the next, all the way to the final generation. They were binding to God, and commitments that we can count on. These covenants and rights, such as the promises behind the rainbow, the land given to Abraham, and so on, are called inheritance. The inheritance is a very important part of our family lives, and to the family even today. It represents what is passed from generation to generation, father to son, and on. The Godless systems of Communism and socialism seeks to destroy all forms of inheritance, and make the individual things of family value, placed out so the whole world can tread upon them. This will happen under the Antichrist's system, and the Kenites are moving us to that end swiftly.

 

[n2thelight]

See (Gen. 9:20-29). Instead of covering Noah, as Shem and Japheth did, he goes and blabs about it to his brothers. (Pro. 17:9)

Stranger

Wrong!!!!He slept with his wife...

Genesis 9:22 "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without."

Canaan is mentioned again as being the son of Ham, yet his birth has not come yet.

Genesis 9:23 "And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and sent backward, and covered the nakedness of the father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness."

What this is saying is that only Ham took part in this sinful act. The "Nakedness of their father", is the term for their mother. Ham performed the sex act with his mother. This is why it is important for us to mature in our minds and not let the fairy tales of the Kenites deceive us here. Shem and Japheth took a blanket and turned their heads, as they went in to cover their mother, after she had been defiled by Ham.

The child, Canaan was the result of Ham's sinful act, and this is not the start of the African American, nor is it the start of any other people racially, for both Ham and his mother were of the same, they were "Adamic" or Caucasian. That is what our Genesis study is all about, following the purity of the bloodline that the Christ child would be born to.

Many seminaries today still turn out those "one verse preachers" that teach the damnable lie that this was where the African American came from. There is no manuscript of any language that takes this position, in any form, that a race [kind] was created by a sinful act. All races were created on the sixth day, and they were all good, and that includes the entire African American race. They came before the Adamic race, and that is why God commanded Noah to take "male and female of every kind" aboard the ark.

God does everything in a natural order. The sinful act of Ham was very unnatural, and it is against both the nature and character of God, to allow the creation of any people of racial difference to come from sin. It is against the laws of God. In Leviticus 18 we read:

Leviticus 18:7, 8 "The nakedness of they father, or the nakedness of they mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness." [verse 7] "The nakedness of they father's wife shat thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness." [verse 8]

Leviticus 20:11 "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

This law was not in affect when Ham took his mother, and this is why Canaan was named before he was ever born. Canaan was conceived while Noah was drunk, and his wife could have very well also been drunk. Again there is no way that people of the same race, or kind, can lie with each other and reproduce another race. God created all animals to reproduce after their own kind. No race ever came from an incestuous affair, and to believe it is to believe a lie.

There is no curse put on any race of men, for God would never create any life form and put a curse upon it. The only curse God puts on a person, is on the individual soul for his own personal act. God put the curse on Esau's soul, for the acts that he committed in that first earth age.

 

[brakelite]

Wrong!!!!He slept with his wife...

Genesis 9:22 "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without."

Canaan is mentioned again as being the son of Ham, yet his birth has not come yet.

Genesis 9:23 "And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and sent backward, and covered the nakedness of the father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness."

What this is saying is that only Ham took part in this sinful act. The "Nakedness of their father", is the term for their mother. Ham performed the sex act with his mother. This is why it is important for us to mature in our minds and not let the fairy tales of the Kenites deceive us here. Shem and Japheth took a blanket and turned their heads, as they went in to cover their mother, after she had been defiled by Ham.

The child, Canaan was the result of Ham's sinful act, and this is not the start of the African American, nor is it the start of any other people racially, for both Ham and his mother were of the same, they were "Adamic" or Caucasian. That is what our Genesis study is all about, following the purity of the bloodline that the Christ child would be born to.

Many seminaries today still turn out those "one verse preachers" that teach the damnable lie that this was where the African American came from. There is no manuscript of any language that takes this position, in any form, that a race [kind] was created by a sinful act. All races were created on the sixth day, and they were all good, and that includes the entire African American race. They came before the Adamic race, and that is why God commanded Noah to take "male and female of every kind" aboard the ark.

God does everything in a natural order. The sinful act of Ham was very unnatural, and it is against both the nature and character of God, to allow the creation of any people of racial difference to come from sin. It is against the laws of God. In Leviticus 18 we read:

Leviticus 18:7, 8 "The nakedness of they father, or the nakedness of they mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness." [verse 7] "The nakedness of they father's wife shat thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness." [verse 8]

Leviticus 20:11 "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

This law was not in affect when Ham took his mother, and this is why Canaan was named before he was ever born. Canaan was conceived while Noah was drunk, and his wife could have very well also been drunk. Again there is no way that people of the same race, or kind, can lie with each other and reproduce another race. God created all animals to reproduce after their own kind. No race ever came from an incestuous affair, and to believe it is to believe a lie.

There is no curse put on any race of men, for God would never create any life form and put a curse upon it. The only curse God puts on a person, is on the individual soul for his own personal act. God put the curse on Esau's soul, for the acts that he committed in that first earth age.

Interesting idea about the illicit relation between Ham and his mother. Plausible... Thinking some more on it.

 

[Stranger]

Now since you feel my response has nothing to do with your OP,let's get it right first.

Genesis 9:24 "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."

Again, there is no law against seeing your father naked.

Genesis 9:25 "And he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall be unto his brethren."

What did this verse say? He [Noah] said, "cursed be Canaan". It says that Noah said, and not God, for it is Noah doing the talking. This old man was just getting up from an drunken binge, and has an hang-over, when he cursed Canaan, and not Ham. Canaan had just been conceived, and the embryo had just been formed inside Noah's wife. It was the act that Noah cursed.

Genesis 9:26 "And he said, "Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

This is still Noah doing the talking, and not God.

Genesis 9:27 "God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant."

As long as Noah was still the head of the house, this curse remained a fact. However, as soon as Noah was gone, so also was Noah's word, and his curse.

Genesis 9:28 "And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years."

Genesis 9:29 "And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died."

Don't allow yourself to be placed into a position of shame because of the ignorance and lies of others. Each man has a right and duty, both to God and himself to be proud of his identity, (i.e. race), and position before the Almighty Father. God made you and placed in you a mind, a will and free choice within you. That free will allows you to chose your destiny, and through your choosing you will either follow the ways of God, or the sinful ways of man. He desires that you follow Him, and the inheritance that He offers to you. All people have the same and equal opportunity before the Father, through His Son, Jesus Christ.

God has made blood covenants with his people; With Adam, Noah, Abraham, David and so on. These were to be based on passing value from one generation to the next, all the way to the final generation. They were binding to God, and commitments that we can count on. These covenants and rights, such as the promises behind the rainbow, the land given to Abraham, and so on, are called inheritance. The inheritance is a very important part of our family lives, and to the family even today. It represents what is passed from generation to generation, father to son, and on. The Godless systems of Communism and socialism seeks to destroy all forms of inheritance, and make the individual things of family value, placed out so the whole world can tread upon them. This will happen under the Antichrist's system, and the Kenites are moving us to that end swiftly.

I disagree with your idea that men existed outside of Adam. Which idea you set forth in your post #(109). When it says, 'no man' in (Gen. 2:5) it means there were no men.

Yes, there are theories that Ham's act was sexual in some way. But, if that were true, Ham would have not gone and told his brothers about it. So it doesn't fit.

What is clear is that Shem and Japheth did right by Noah in covering him. Which is what Ham should have done. So we can know that if they are blessed on that basis, then Ham is not given a blessing and a curse is given upon his descendants on that basis. That curse would follow all the descendants of Ham, which is why Scripture pointed out in (Gen. 9:18) that Ham is the father of Canaan. See thread (Gen.9:24-27 Prophecy, Shem, Ham, and Japheth) found under Bible Study Forum, p. 4, post #10, to explain.

If you want to say the curse was only upon Canaan and not Ham, you still have to acknowledge that Ham's descendants received no blessing.


Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

Just like Detroit.

werent any blacks in Detroit until your contemporaries decided to monocrop our auto production there bro. The big three ruined Detroit, and Flint, too, we got 50 years of auto remediation to do here still yet. Square miles of good, arable land paved over and contaminated. You think that will be laid at a Black Doorstep? You are dreaming, sure enough, ok.

 

[bbyrd009]

Interesting idea about the illicit relation between Ham and his mother. Plausible... Thinking some more on it.

its the first half of the likely real story i guess, but his conclusions are...well lets say apparently self-serving, to be kind. If Stranger can claim to be white according to the requirements of the One Drop Rule ill eat my hat ok, hes practically Uncle Ruckus lol. If he posted an actual picture of himself or like came out of that hiding place he has intentionally buried himself in you would guffaw. Repeatedly. Guarantee you he will not do this, ever. Prolly has kinky hair even narf

 

[bbyrd009]

Wrong!!!!He slept with his wife...

Genesis 9:22 "And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without."

Canaan is mentioned again as being the son of Ham, yet his birth has not come yet.

Genesis 9:23 "And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and sent backward, and covered the nakedness of the father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness."

What this is saying is that only Ham took part in this sinful act. The "Nakedness of their father", is the term for their mother. Ham performed the sex act with his mother. This is why it is important for us to mature in our minds and not let the fairy tales of the Kenites deceive us here. Shem and Japheth took a blanket and turned their heads, as they went in to cover their mother, after she had been defiled by Ham.

The child, Canaan was the result of Ham's sinful act, and this is not the start of the African American, nor is it the start of any other people racially, for both Ham and his mother were of the same, they were "Adamic" or Caucasian. That is what our Genesis study is all about, following the purity of the bloodline that the Christ child would be born to.

Many seminaries today still turn out those "one verse preachers" that teach the damnable lie that this was where the African American came from. There is no manuscript of any language that takes this position, in any form, that a race [kind] was created by a sinful act. All races were created on the sixth day, and they were all good, and that includes the entire African American race. They came before the Adamic race, and that is why God commanded Noah to take "male and female of every kind" aboard the ark.

God does everything in a natural order. The sinful act of Ham was very unnatural, and it is against both the nature and character of God, to allow the creation of any people of racial difference to come from sin. It is against the laws of God. In Leviticus 18 we read:

Leviticus 18:7, 8 "The nakedness of they father, or the nakedness of they mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness." [verse 7] "The nakedness of they father's wife shat thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness." [verse 8]

Leviticus 20:11 "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

This law was not in affect when Ham took his mother, and this is why Canaan was named before he was ever born. Canaan was conceived while Noah was drunk, and his wife could have very well also been drunk. Again there is no way that people of the same race, or kind, can lie with each other and reproduce another race. God created all animals to reproduce after their own kind. No race ever came from an incestuous affair, and to believe it is to believe a lie.

There is no curse put on any race of men, for God would never create any life form and put a curse upon it. The only curse God puts on a person, is on the individual soul for his own personal act. God put the curse on Esau's soul, for the acts that he committed in that first earth age.

hegelian, but i think i agree for the most part, ty

 

[bbyrd009]

I never heard this, Adam was the first man period.

No one seems to be weighing in on this guy’s claim, weird.

well, fwiw you could read less literally there perhaps, and are still functioning under the assumption that Adam was a literal person? So not disagreeing with your um absolute truth there ok--bc what would be the point--but "man" is kind of a catch all term, even if we dont perceive it that way, and there's more than one "man" being xlated as "man" to us in Scripture...same with "God" for that matter, lotta "theos" being xlated as "God," etc. Adam is not Ish iow, and like that. So see "period" ends up being "comma" imo