The Seventh Seal

[ewq1938]

Yes they are and we too are warned to get under cover. Isaiah 26:20-21

It says they want the rocks to fall on them so it's not taking cover but trying to get killed.

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

It will shine brightly red from two effects;

Scripture says the moon will be dark, not bright. Did you know the moon reflects the light of the sun and when the sun goes dark, so does the moon? People have known this for ages.


That's you getting it wrong twice in a row. This is a perfect example of one forcing their beliefs onto scripture when scripture says something completely different than claimed.

 

[Keraz]

It says they want the rocks to fall on them so it's not taking cover but trying to get killed.

I have to think that you have some kind of mental barrier, a blockage that makes you incapable of discerning the Truths of the Prophetic Word. Isaiah 29:9-12 tells us about people who confuse themselves by believing false teachings. [the word translated 'amaze' in the KJV is correctly rendered as: confuse' in the REB]

The people are asking the mountains and the rocks to hide them.

Scripture says the moon will be dark, not bright

I have clearly stated to you the two separate events; The forthcoming Lord' Day of Firey wrath and the Day of the glorious Return of Jesus.
The moon shining bright red on the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath and the moon being darkened when Jesus Returns.

Please acknowledge these Truths.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But that is wrong. There is one time, one day when that happens and it is the day Christ returns. But you will say, "it says BEFORE". Before has two meanings including "going before a judge" which is not before in time but right then and there to FACE the judge.


Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.


6440

06440 paniym {paw-neem'} pl. (but always as sing.) of an unused
noun [paneh{paw-neh'}

from 06437; TWOT - 1782a; n m

AV - before 1137, face 390, presence 76, because 67, sight 40,
countenance 30, from 27, person 21, upon 20, of 20, ...me 18,
against 17, ...him 16, open 13, for 13, toward 9, misc 195; 2109

1) face
1a) face, faces
1b) presence, person
1c) face (of seraphim or cherubim)
1d) face (of animals)
1e) face, surface (of ground)
1f) as adv of loc/temp
1f1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly,
from beforetime, before
1g) with prep
1g1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of,
in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of,
from before, from before the face of


This means to come BEFORE a judge which would be at that very time, right in front, or to FACE a judge.

Here is the same word being used, and its clear it is not "before" as in previous


Ezekiel 43:24 And thou shalt offer them BEFORE the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD.


That means to offer them TO the lord, or TO his FACE, which means to come to him directly and offer. Same word and meaning in Joel.

You err because you call the return of the Lord the great and terrible day of the Lord. It is not- it is the 70th week of Daniel, the time of Jacobs trouble, the tribulation and several other titles used to describe the last 7 year period.

Jesus return is not at the sixth seal. Jesus returns and the antichrist and the armies of the world have gathered to battle Him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But your premise is wrong, as the people say: Hide us from the face of the One who sits on the Throne....... Revelation 6:16
They all take shelter as they see their doom approaching.
The Sixth Seal event is at least 10 years before Jesus Returns. You re-arrange Revelation to make it at the Return. Bad you.

Well you do not pay attention to the many times I have written. I do not put the sixth seal at Jesus return, I put the sixth seal at the commencement of the 70th week of Daniel commonly known as the tribulation. that is based on the numerous passages that describe the 70th week of Daniel and Gods wrath being poured out on earth.

Plainly and evidently wrong.
The sun does darken at the Return, but the moon will not give its light.... Matthew 24:29

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You need to read the bible and pay attention when you do.

The moon only glows bright red one time; at the Sixth Seal Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, Joel 2:31, Revelation 6:12
The moon will be red before the Lord strikes the earth, for just a few hours, as the huge mass of superheated hydrogen ejected from the sun travels toward the earth.
This terrible disaster will set the scene for all the Prophesied things to happen, leading up to the glorious Return. When all the wrath of Gid will be over. Revelation 15:1

Your ignorance of science is almost as bad as your ignorance of Scripture. A CME will not produce a blood moon (which by the way we have had hundreds since Jesus was here the first time).

A blood moon occurs when the earth eclipses the sun and the light from the sun is refracted and the moon appears blood red.

 

[Keraz]

Solar flares – Coronal Mass Ejections

The sun – our life sustainer, emits a continuous stream of heat in the form of charged particles, otherwise known as the solar wind. The sun is actually a pulsating star and this creates a variable energy output. This variation in energy has not been so great as to cause serious problems on earth, although ice ages and heat waves have been felt in the past.

Because the sun, and all the solar system rotates around its centre of gravity every 11.1 years, this spin orbit coupling means that the solar plasma [liquid surface] circulates with it, producing an 11.1 year solar cycle. Due to planetary pull at alignments plus an acceleration and deceleration process, there is a time of increased solar flare activity, now, in 20122, numbered as Solar cycle 25. In the past this has been evidenced by aurora displays, and research indicates slightly warmer temperatures are due to solar flares. Because, in the lead up to Solar Cycle 25, there have been very few flares, we have experienced exceptionally cold winters over the past few years.

In September of 1859, the entire earth was engulfed in a cloud of super charged gas and a brilliant aurora erupted from the poles to the tropics. Around the world, telegraph systems failed, switch gear burst into flames and operators were shocked. Compasses and other instruments reeled as if struck by a massive magnetic fist.

Another, much smaller CME, struck Quebec in 1989, damaging their electricity grid.
All satellite operators are ready to shut down their services as soon as a CME is reported, as are communications, airlines, electricity suppliers, etc, in the hope of saving their equipment. [and staff!!!]

Sunspots, recorded up to 37,000 km in diameter, appear as dark spots on the surface of the sun. There is a strong magnetic field within each sunspot and they flare out in conjunction with another sunspot, so the ejection has North/ South polarity. In other words it is a mass with a magnetic field, the same as our planet. In conjunction with increased magnetic activity, more ultra violet energy is emitted, therefore the sun shines brighter and hotter.
Reference; various sources

As we read in Isaiah 30:26-28 ...the Lord Himself comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy, His tongue a devouring fire. He sieves out the nations for destruction. The sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness and the moon will shine as bright as the sun, on the Day the Lord heals His people. Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-4

This description, along with many other prophecies, can only be explained literally by a CME. In no way does it fit the judgement on the armies of the Anti Christ that Jesus destroys by the sword of His Word, at the Return.

This enormous solar flare will be something ‘the like has never been known, nor will be in the ages to come’ Joel 2:2.

Jeremiah 51:52-57 A time is coming when I shall punish the idols and godless peoples of Babylon [a metaphor for all peoples who deny God] Sounds of great destruction come from their land, the advancing wave booms and roars, like mighty waters. For the Lord, a God of retribution, will repay in full. Jeremiah 25:30-33, Isaiah 5:24-30, Isaiah 24:19-20, 2 Peter 3:7

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Solar flares – Coronal Mass Ejections

The sun – our life sustainer, emits a continuous stream of heat in the form of charged particles, otherwise known as the solar wind. The sun is actually a pulsating star and this creates a variable energy output. This variation in energy has not been so great as to cause serious problems on earth, although ice ages and heat waves have been felt in the past.

Because the sun, and all the solar system rotates around its centre of gravity every 11.1 years, this spin orbit coupling means that the solar plasma [liquid surface] circulates with it, producing an 11.1 year solar cycle. Due to planetary pull at alignments plus an acceleration and deceleration process, there is a time of increased solar flare activity, now, in 20122, numbered as Solar cycle 25. In the past this has been evidenced by aurora displays, and research indicates slightly warmer temperatures are due to solar flares. Because, in the lead up to Solar Cycle 25, there have been very few flares, we have experienced exceptionally cold winters over the past few years.

In September of 1859, the entire earth was engulfed in a cloud of super charged gas and a brilliant aurora erupted from the poles to the tropics. Around the world, telegraph systems failed, switch gear burst into flames and operators were shocked. Compasses and other instruments reeled as if struck by a massive magnetic fist.

Another, much smaller CME, struck Quebec in 1989, damaging their electricity grid.
All satellite operators are ready to shut down their services as soon as a CME is reported, as are communications, airlines, electricity suppliers, etc, in the hope of saving their equipment. [and staff!!!]

Sunspots, recorded up to 37,000 km in diameter, appear as dark spots on the surface of the sun. There is a strong magnetic field within each sunspot and they flare out in conjunction with another sunspot, so the ejection has North/ South polarity. In other words it is a mass with a magnetic field, the same as our planet. In conjunction with increased magnetic activity, more ultra violet energy is emitted, therefore the sun shines brighter and hotter.
Reference; various sources

As we read in Isaiah 30:26-28 ...the Lord Himself comes from afar, His anger blazing and His doom heavy, His tongue a devouring fire. He sieves out the nations for destruction. The sun will shine with seven times its normal brightness and the moon will shine as bright as the sun, on the Day the Lord heals His people. Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-4

This description, along with many other prophecies, can only be explained literally by a CME. In no way does it fit the judgement on the armies of the Anti Christ that Jesus destroys by the sword of His Word, at the Return.

This enormous solar flare will be something ‘the like has never been known, nor will be in the ages to come’ Joel 2:2.

Jeremiah 51:52-57 A time is coming when I shall punish the idols and godless peoples of Babylon [a metaphor for all peoples who deny God] Sounds of great destruction come from their land, the advancing wave booms and roars, like mighty waters. For the Lord, a God of retribution, will repay in full. Jeremiah 25:30-33, Isaiah 5:24-30, Isaiah 24:19-20, 2 Peter 3:7

No, it may be a unique CME or solar flare, not literally be one. Even your own explanation shows so.

A solar flare is an eruption like a VOLCANO ON THE SUN. IN ORDER FOR TEH SUN TO SHINE 7 TIMES BRIGHTER AND THE MOON TO REFLECT AS BRIGHT AS THE SUN, WE WOULD NEED MORE THAN JUST A SOLAR FLARE.

CME's do not necessarily make the sun look brighter, but cause great disturbances in the magnetic field protecting the earth (hence the auroras seen in places not usual.)

 

[Keraz]

That the Lord WILL instigate an explosion on the suns surface, is clear from the over 100 Prophesies about what will happen on that sudden and terrible Day. Knowing this, will be a help to us, as we are told on that Day to; Call upon the Name of the Land and we shall be saved.
That is: protected as the three men in the furnace were; Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 23. 37, 91, 2 Peter 2:9

I your objection to this, because it doesn't suit your paradigm? How do you think the end times will commence?
But first, before just dismissing the idea of a CME, google it and try to learn just what a threat a big one, does pose to the earth.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That the Lord WILL instigate an explosion on the suns surface, is clear from the over 100 Prophesies about what will happen on that sudden and terrible Day. Knowing this, will be a help to us, as we are told on that Day to; Call upon the Name of the Land and we shall be saved.
That is: protected as the three men in the furnace were; Isaiah 43:2, Psalms 23. 37, 91, 2 Peter 2:9

I your objection to this, because it doesn't suit your paradigm? How do you think the end times will commence?
But first, before just dismissing the idea of a CME, google it and try to learn just what a threat a big one, does pose to the earth.

Okay give us just 25 of those over 100 prophecies.

I recognize a CME can massively increase heat on earth if it destroys the electro-magnetic field that surrounds the earth. But that would means death. Revelation does not say that the increased heat causes a maa extinction but people gnawing their tongues in pain.

Also a CME will not cause the sun to brighten 7 time brighter than normal. It is simply an explosion on the suns surface that cause a mass ejection to erupt off the surface at speed. It can harm the electro-magnetic field, and possibly allows x-rays and microwaves to breakthrough.

 

[Keraz]

Also a CME will not cause the sun to brighten 7 time brighter than normal. It is simply an explosion on the suns surface that cause a mass ejection to erupt off the surface at speed. It can harm the electro-magnetic field, and possibly allows x-rays and microwaves to breakthrough.

You still haven't really found out the effects of a big Coronal Nass Ejection. They DO explode with a bright flash and the one the Lord will instigate will flash 7times as bright as normal; Isaiah 39:26a
The fire is alight, nothing will stop it coming to earth 2 Esdras 16:15 [Bible Apocrypha]

The following 117 Bible verses describe the literal effects of the Coronal Mass Ejection that the Lord will use to carry out His prophesied Day of vengeance and wrath against His enemies, the godless peoples and nations that attack the State of Israel. It will strike earth at midday, Zephaniah 2:4 and virtually depopulate the entire Middle East. Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hebrews 10:27, +

1/ LIGHT -The initial light flash arrives from the sun within 8 minutes.

Isaiah 30:26a The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength, like seven days in one. The flash of a CME explosion on the suns surface of an unprecedented magnitude, directed toward earth, consisting of the entire spectrum of light waves to microwaves.
Isaiah 30:26a, Joel 2:31, Rev 6:12b The moon will shine blood red, as brightly as the sun. This will be the thermoluminescent reaction of superheated hydrogen and the lunar regolith. [moon dust]

Psalms 50:1-3 God has spoken…from the rising of the sun to its setting…consuming fire rages….

Habakkuk 3:3-4 His brightness is like the dawn, His radiance covers the sky.

Psalms 144:6 Send lightning bolts to scatter Your enemies.

Psalms 18:14 He hurled lightning shafts far and wide.

Ezekiel 21:10 My deadly sword is sharpened, it will flash like lightning for the slaughter.



2/ HEAT – Seven times hotter, ambient temperature say, 15c X 7 = could be 120c, 250f

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace.

Psalms 18:8 Smoke and fire come from the Lord, with glowing coals and searing heat.

Isaiah 64:1-2 When You tear apart the sky, fires blaze and water boils.

Jeremiah 17:8...when the heat comes, trust in the Lord for protection.

Jeremiah 6:29 The fiery bellows of judgement burn fiercely to refine My people.

Isaiah 25:4 You give refuge to the poor and needy, shelter from the tempest and shade from the heat.



3/ DARKNESS – Caused by the sun being obscured by the approaching ejected mass.

Isaiah 50:3 I can clothe the sky in darkness, cover it with sackcloth.

Amos 5:20 The Day of the Lord is indeed a Day of deep darkness.

Isaiah 13:10 The sun, moon and stars will give no light.

Ezekiel 32:7-8 I will veil the sky with clouds and bring darkness over the land.

Zephaniah 1:15 The Day of the Lord’s anger will be a Day of destruction, of darkness and gloom.

Amos 8:9 On that Day, the sun will darken at noon. [after the initial flash]

Revelation 6:12...the sun turned black as a funeral pall and the whole moon blood red.

Psalms 18:11 He made thick darkness His covering, dense vapour His canopy.

Jeremiah 4:23 The earth was in chaos and the sky was in darkness.



4/ FIRE – 24 hours after the initial flash the main mass of superheated cosmic particles envelopes the earth.

Zephaniah 3:8…the whole earth will be affected by the fire of My anger.

Isaiah 66:15 The Lord is coming in fire like a whirlwind with the flaming fire of His rebuke.

Luke 3:16 He will baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire, the chaff will burn forever.

Ezekiel 20:47 I am about to light a fire, its fiery flame cannot be put out.

1 Corinthians 3:13...for that Day dawns in fire and fire will test every persons worth.

Psalm 21:9 The anger of the Lord will engulf His enemies in a fiery furnace and consume them.

Hebrews 10:27 For the godless, there is only the terrifying expectation of a fierce fire that will consume God’s enemies.

2 Peter 3:10 On that Day the earth will be enveloped in flames and all that is in it will be brought to judgement.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 ..when the Lord Jesus comes forth with His mighty host in blazing fire, he will punish all the godless and apostate people.

Psalms 97:2-5 Cloud enfolds Him, fire goes ahead and consumes His enemies.

Isaiah 4:4b The Lord will cleanse Jerusalem, with His judgement burning like fire.

Isaiah 33:12 The nations will be burned to ashes, like thorn bushes set on fire.

Ezekiel 30:16 I shall set Egypt on fire. Amos 1:1-15 Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and Jordan burned.



5/ EARTHQUAKES – The electromagnetic microwave effect will cause volcanoes & earthquakes.

Haggai 2:6 In a little while, I shall shake the sky, the earth and break the power of the godless.

Psalms 144:5 Lord, part the sky and come down, touch the mountains, so they pour forth smoke.

Isaiah 24:18-19 ..the windows of the sky above are opened, the earths foundations shake, it is convulsed and reels wildly.

Amos 8:8-9 On that day the earth will quake like ocean waves.

Revelation 6:12-14 There was a violent earthquake...every mountain and island was moved.

Psalms 18:7 The earth shook and quaked, the mountains trembled because of His anger.

Jeremiah 4:24 The mountains were reeling and the hills rocked to and fro.

Habakkuk 3:6 The Lord shakes the earth, the mountains are flattened.



6/ EARTH MOVED–The earth’s orbit may be speeded up by this event, resulting in a 360 day year, that will make reality out the time periods given to us in Revelation and Daniel.

Isaiah 13:13...and the earth will be moved out of her place.



7/ COSMC PARTICLES – This CME will hit with a great pressure wave. Previous CME’s have pushed satellites into lower orbits, this one will make them crash back to earth. This cannot refer to real stars, as the nearest one is 4¼ light years away and they are of enormous size.

Isaiah 28:2 The Lord will beat down violently upon the earth, as a destroying tempest.

Revelation 6:13 The starry host will fall to the earth, like fruit blown of a tree in a gale.

Isaiah 34:4 The host of the heavens will fall like ripe fruit.

Jeremiah 6:25 Do not go outside, for the sword of the Lord spreads terror all around.



8/ ELECTRICAL EFFECTS – The supercharged particles will cause extreme voltage flow in all the electric power supply systems, telephone wires as well as fences and pipelines, etc. Transformers and switchgear will be destroyed. Any appliances connected to the grid, even if switched off, will burn out. Most telephone and radio communications will be out of action for a long time. Modern vehicles, aircraft and ships will be inoperable.



9/ SKY EFFECTS – The earth magnetosphere and atmosphere are badly affected. This may cause a pole shift and huge storms will encircle the globe.

Isaiah 13:13 I shall make the heavens shudder...on the day of the Lord’s blazing anger.

Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke.

2 Peter 3:10 ...the heavens will disappear with a great rushing sound.

Revelation 6:14 The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up.

Isaiah 34:4 The sky will crumble into nothing and will be rolled up like a scroll.

Psalms 83:15 Pursue Your enemies with Your tempest, terrify them with Your storm winds.

Jeremiah 30:23See what a scorching wind goes out, it rages down upon the heads of the wicked.

Jeremiah 4:11 & 20 A scorching wind will sweep down upon My people, the whole Land is ruined.

Continued_

 

[Keraz]

10/ A GREAT NOISE – The CME strike will be heard all around the earth.

Jeremiah 25:30-31 The Lord roars from on high, the great noise reaches the ends of the earth, for He judges the nations and has handed over the wicked for destruction.

Isaiah 29:6 Judgement will come from the Lord with thunder, earthquakes, loud noise and consuming flames of fire.

Jeremiah 51:54-55 The Lord is ready to destroy the godless nations, the advancing wave booms and roars as it despoils them.



11/ DEATHS WORLDWIDE – Many millions will die, but for those who stay in shelter, it will be survivable, it is only a one day event. More will die from fighting and famine afterward.

Deuteronomy 32:41 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh.

Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.

Isaiah 66:16 He will judge with fire, many will be slain by Him.

Isaiah 34:5 For My sword is prepared, it descends in judgement on those doomed for death.

Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.

Jeremiah 25:33 Those that the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or buried, they will be as dung on the ground.

Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the nations, His garments splashed with blood, His Day of vengeance had come and He tramped on them and spilled out their blood.

Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.

Isaiah 13:12 Humans will become scarce, more rare that fine gold.

Ezekiel 30:4-5 Egypt will suffer anguish...her slain will fall along with all the Arab lands.

Zephaniah 1:3 & 11 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees. Dire distress will come to sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill on the ground.

Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, with no one to gather them.

Ezekiel 21:3 My sword of judgement will kill both the righteous and wicked alike, from the Negev, Northward.

Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now with a great noise, you will be burned & consumed.

Isaiah 5:25 His anger is roused against His people and as He strikes them down the mountains shake. Their bodies lie like refuse in the streets.

Ezekiel 32:6 I shall drench the land with blood, the villages will be filled with it.



12/ THE LAND BURNED – The fireball will make forests and wooden houses catch fire, even concrete buildings mostly have tarred roofs, which will burn, as will tar sealed roads.

2 Peter 3:12 Look forward to the coming Day of the Lord and work to hasten it on, that Day will set the sky ablaze and will melt the elements in fervent heat.

Isaiah 9:19 The land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.

Jeremiah 4:26 The fertile land becomes a wilderness before the fierce anger of the Lord.

Isaiah 42:15 I shall lay waste to all the land and dry up the rivers and lakes.

Ezekiel 15:8 I will make the land a waste because they have broken faith.

Joel 1:11 & 19-20 Despair you farmers for your harvest is lost, the ground is dry and scorched. To You, Lord I cry out for fire has consumed the pastures and trees of the land.

Jeremiah 9:10-12 ......the land is scorched and untrodden, not even birds or beasts remain. Jerusalem and the towns of Judah are ruined and uninhabited. The Land is a dead place, burned and laid waste.

Isaiah 10:18-19 Suddenly, His trees and meadows will be destroyed, what remains will be so few that a child may count them.



13/ CITIES DESERTED – The fires and destruction will drive people out and there will be no power, water or communications, plus no food deliveries, survival must be out in the country.

Isaiah 17:9 On the Day of Retribution, cities will be deserted.

Isaiah 6:11-12 How long, Lord? Until the Land is desolate and cities are deserted, houses vacant.

Jeremiah 4:7 The Destroyer comes, cities will lay waste and empty.

Hosea 8:14 You have forgotten your Maker, I shall send fire to burn your cities.

Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I will devastate your cities.

Jeremiah 9:21-22 Death has come to our towns, corpses lie like dung in the streets.

Jeremiah 4:26 Your Holy cities are ruined, Jerusalem is burned by fire, all that we treasured has been destroyed.

Isaiah 27:10 The fortified city is left solitary, stripped bare and forsaken like a wilderness.



14/ THE MILITARY DESTROYED – The powerful electromagnetic pulse will disable ships, tanks and aircraft. It will also cause explosive devices to either explode or be neutralized.

Jer. 50:22-23 The noise of battle is heard, see how the hammer of the whole world is broken.

Hosea 2:18 ...I shall break the bow and all weapons of war and sweep them off the earth.

Micah 5:5-11 On that Day, I will destroy your military fortifications.

Zephaniah 1:16 A Day of battle cries against the fortified cities and towns.

Isaiah 30:25b On the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall.

Amos 5:9 Destruction will flash forth onto the mighty, against their strongholds.

Jeremiah 50:27 Put all warriors to the sword, lead them to slaughter, for their time has come.



15/ AN UNEXPECTED EVENT – This sudden and shocking event, is not the Return of Jesus, as when the Anti Christ desecrates the new Temple, Jesus will come exactly 1260 days after that.

2 Peter 3:10 The great and terrible Day of the Lord will come like a thief, unexpectedly.

Isaiah 29:5-6 Suddenly, in an instant, your enemies will be punished with earthquakes, storms and flames of devouring fire.

Isaiah 10:17-19 In 1 Day, the Lord will burn up His enemies, sudden as someone falling into a fit.

Jeremiah 6:26...for in an instant the Despoiler will be upon us.



16/ A ONE DAY EVENT – A CME strikes the earth at a speed of 3 to 5 million miles per hour. It causes terrible effects, but then continues on past, leaving us to recover.

Zephaniah 3:8 Wait for the Day when I accuse the nations and pour out My burning anger upon the whole world.

Ezekiel 30:2-3 Alas for the Day, a day is near, the Day of the Lord is near, a Day of reckoning for the nations.

Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, a cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger.

Joel 1:15 The Day is near, it comes, a mighty destruction from the Lord.

Isaiah 2:20-21 On the Day the Lord will arise and strike the world with terror.

Zechariah 3:9 In a single Day, I will wipe away the guilt of this Land.

Isaiah 63:4-6 I resolved on a Day of vengeance, I shattered nations in My fury. [it.

Joel 2:11 The Lord thunders as He leads the host, great and terrible is the Day, who can endure

Zephaniah 2:4-5 Land of the Philistines, at midday, I shall crush you and lay you in ruins, bereft of inhabitants.

Joel 2:30-31 On that great and terrible Day of the Lord, the sky and the earth will show blood, fire and smoke.



17/ HIS PEOPLE – Joel 2:32 Then all who call on the Lord’s Name will be saved.

Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine 7 times stronger, on the Day the Lord saves and heals His people

Habakkuk 3:12-13 Furiously You traverse the earth, in anger You trample down the nations. You go forth to save Your people.

Joel 3:16 The Lord roars from Zion, the heavens and the earth shudder but He is a refuge for His people and a defence for Israel.

Psalm 68:1-3 God springs into action! His enemies scatter like smoke, as wax melts before a fire, so the godless are destroyed before Him. The righteous are happy and praise God.

Isaiah 43:2 When you pass through rivers, they will not overwhelm you. Walk through fire and flames and not be burned or scorched. I am the Lord, your God and your Deliverer.

1 Peter 1:5 Because you put your faith in God, you are under the protection of His power until the salvation now in readiness is revealed at the end of time.

Reference: Revised English Bible. Some verses abridged.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You still haven't really found out the effects of a big Coronal Nass Ejection. They DO explode with a bright flash and the one the Lord will instigate will flash 7times as bright as normal; Isaiah 39:26a

Ah Yes I have. I regularly watch videos on solar activity.

But it is not a
CME that will be seven times according to Gods Word- it is the sun.

A CME even if it a huge one still will only brighten a fraction of a % of the suns surface. If the CME was say 10% of the surface of the sun that faces us, and the force of the ejection was large to extreme- all life on eearth would be wiped out and even that mega huge sized CME would not brighten the suns surface 7 times!

Isaiah 30:26a, Joel 2:31, Rev 6:12b The moon will shine blood red, as brightly as the sun. This will be the thermoluminescent reaction of superheated hydrogen and the lunar regolith. [moon dust]

Wrong wrong wrong. Blood moons happen when the earth eclispes the moon! You also need to study how light waves work and react. There is no testable hypothesis that says superheated hydrogen and moon dust can cause a blood moon.

As for your verses? Likie hollywood, you have taken enormous license with the Word of God to draw your conclusion about a CME.

BTW a CME is not fire but massive electromagnetic activity with all the bands of radiation!

 

[rockytopva]

Seals... Are we in agreement that the seven seals seal the Lamb's Book of Life???

 

[Timtofly]

The people who are raptured survived the GT, and they are a small group not a group that cannot be counted. The multitude in Rev 7 are all of the saved in the eternity in the new Earth. It has nothing to do with any time or events of this old Earth and does not support Jesus leaving heaven after opening the 6th seal. He goes no where until the 7th trump.

That group is already there in heaven serving God day and night in His temple. That has been ongoing since the Cross. Every day a soul or many have left earth from great tribulation, over the last 1993 years, as presented in Matthew 24:5-14. That is coming out of great tribulation, over a long period of time. That started with Stephen being stoned. What happens at the 5th Seal, is all those people are glorified and put on those robes of white. That scene John sees has been ongoing since Resurrection Sunday. John just arrived at the 6th Seal to see them. Not that they all arrived at the 6th Seal.

Those alive on the earth at the 6th Seal join this multitude already in Paradise. That is why the church is no longer on the earth. The rapture and Second Coming are the 5th and 6th Seal. But Jesus as King touched down on the Mount of Olives at the 6th Seal, while the church was seen in Paradise with the Lord God. The 7th Seal being opened caused silence in heaven, because Jacob's trouble is about to start on the earth, where the angels bring the sheep and goats to Jerusalem during the Trumpets to be judged. All the angels came to earth at the 6th Seal. So no stars were seen, nor making a sound in the firmament/heaven. The firmament just dissolved per 2 Peter 3. Fire just burned up all the works on the earth. Those on earth were hiding in caves and under all the rubble.

That is why it was silent in heaven.

"And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon."

Jesus took the Lamb's book of life to earth. He has it to remove the names of the goats, as they are being cast into the LOF. Not sure why you think Jesus and the Lamb's book of life are stuck in heaven at the Second Coming. The Second Coming is when Jesus comes to earth. He brings the book with Him, because He is the only one who can use the Lamb's book of life. He opens the 7th Seal after the throne, and temple are set up in Jerusalem.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The calculation of 1000 divided by 48 gives us a heavenly half-hour of about 20 earth years. But that is only the centre of a range of years possible because it is "about" a half-hour.

Imagine you had a conversation with someone for 30 minutes, going back and forth speaking at about 200 words/min.
Now take that same conversation in heaven and have it. The time would be the same. Time just isn't "measured" in heaven by a clock ( earth's and sun's rotation); but there is no reason to expect that time passes moment by moment in heaven into eternity to be much different. We will look back into eternity past with a memory of things we did and conversations. We just won't count hours, days or years, they will not exist nor will we value time per se. We will value experiences and our relationships.
1 day to GOD is like a 1000 years - in His mind only. He is omniscient.

 

[Keraz]

Imagine you had a conversation with someone for 30 minutes, going back and forth speaking at about 200 words/min.
Now take that same conversation in heaven and have it. The time would be the same. Time just isn't "measured" in heaven by a clock ( earth's and sun's rotation); but there is no reason to expect that time passes moment by moment in heaven into eternity to be much different. We will look back into eternity past with a memory of things we did and conversations. We just won't count hours, days or years, they will not exist nor will we value time per se. We will value experiences and our relationships.
1 day to GOD is like a 1000 years - in His mind only. He is omniscient.

Imagine, as you do: that the Bible Prophecy is purely fiction as has no value or bears no relation to us today.
You make the Seventh Seal into a meaningless non event. Not wise!

Eternity is different, of course, but the Seventh Seal will happen during our normal earthly time.
It will be for about 20 years, which fits very well with what is Prophesied to happen between then and the glorious Return of Jesus.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You make the Seventh Seal into a meaningless non event. Not wise!

I think the 7th Seal, when removed allowed Jesus to open the scroll and find out the details inside, (which we've known for 1900 years.) I think it is like a rocket that travels up into the sky, explodes and seven trumpets are blown rapidly and the last one releases Bowls also rapidly. Many of the events overlap and accumulate, like a war starts small and builds up to a climax, famine, death, fire, pestilence as well We are shown different vantage points. Some events happenned suddenly, like an earthquake, the rapture. But all within the 3 1/2 year time frame.

Eternity is different, of course, but the Seventh Seal will happen during our normal earthly time.
It will be for about 20 years,

So you are saying the 1/2 hour silence (pause) in heaven translates into 20 years down here? Does that power effect women btw? Lol.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half hour.

We are clearly told that the ‘about a half hour’, is in heaven. Time in heaven is not and cannot be the same as earthly time, heaven doesn’t rotate or orbit the sun. God is eternal, His ways are not our ways. Anyway, the Bible informs us twice that one day in heaven is like [as] 1000 years on earth. Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 Genesis speaks of ‘6 days’ of creation, it seems more logical that they were actually 1000 year periods, or allegorically pointing to God’s 7000 year Plan for the earth.

We have a date for the completion of the 6000 year era of mankind’s rule, obtained from the careful addition of the given Biblical time periods and the commencement of Jesus’ ministry in 29/30 AD. Luke 3:1 2

The three tranches of 2000 years: Adam to Abraham, Abraham to Jesus. The first Advent to the glorious Return, then the thousand year Millennium reign of King Jesus. Gods 7000 year Plan for Mankind on the physical earth.

It had been assumed that the ‘half hour’ starts soon after the Sixth Seal and finishes at the commencement of the Trumpet and Bowl punishments of the Great Tribulation. That is: 3½ years before the Return. But the Sixth Seal commences the Wrath of God and the Lamb, Rev. 6:17, then we see it isn’t until the completion of the Great Tribulation, that the Wrath of God is finished. Revelation 15:1

The calculation of 1000 divided by 48 gives us a heavenly half-hour of about 20 earth years. But that is only the centre of a range of years possible because it is "about" a half-hour.

Calculating the range of years is based upon statistical rules: Since the text tells us a half-hour, we examine the next divisible time period which is a quarter-hour. We simply find the distance between 30 minutes and 15 minutes (above and below) and find the half-way points. This gives us +/- 5 centred on 20 years. Therefore the range is from 15 years to 25 years. If the actual year is outside of this range, then the Revelation account would have read "about a quarter of an hour” or “about three-quarters of an hour." But, Revelation says "about a half-hour." Thus we know it can't be outside the range of 15 to 25 years (including anything in between) otherwise "about an half-hour" would be wrong .

Therefore if, as seems likely, if the Sixth Seal – the great and terrible Day of the Lord, happens very soon – then the Seventh Seal follows immediately afterwards. So that will be the period of ‘silence in heaven’ but of tumult and huge changes on earth!

A lot must happen during that time – the regeneration of the Land, many prophesies about that – the Lord will send rain. Then the gathering, and settling of His people, again many prophecies – houses rebuilt, land productive... The selection of the 144,000, The Gog Magog attack and 7 years clean up. The treaty with the Anti-Christ, the AoD in the new Temple and 3½ years of the Great Tribulation. Then the glorious Return.

It all fits and I see the Hand of God in it.

There are only 3.5 years available for the Antichrist and Tribulation.

The LORD said HE will shorten those days for us who are Blood Washed Saints = His Elect = Matthew 25:21-22

"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."

Follow the Words of God = Revelation 10:7

"but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."

 

[Keraz]

Some events happenned suddenly, like an earthquake, the rapture. But all within the 3 1/2 year time frame.

Your view of the end times, is wrong. When all the things Prophesied from the Sixth Seal to the glorious Return are considered, there must be a much longer period than 3 1/2 years involved. That time period is just the period when Satan will have control over the world. Revelation 13, his 42 months.
The half hour in heaven, is not the same as a 1/2 hour on earth, which is 1/48th of a day. We know that to God in heaven a day equals a thousand years of earth time, so 1/48th of a thousand years is- about 20 years of earth time. Logical and what will happen.

There are only 3.5 years available for the Antichrist and Tribulation.

The LORD said HE will shorten those days for us who are Blood Washed Saints = His Elect = Matthew 25:21-22

Sure, and we are told where those faithful people will be during that 1260 day period. Revelation 12:6 & 14
Those days may be shortened for the Christians who must remain; Revelation 12:17

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The half hour in heaven, is not the same as a 1/2 hour on earth, which is 1/48th of a day. We know that to God in heaven a day equals a thousand years of earth time, so 1/48th of a thousand years is- about 20 years of earth time. Logical and what will happen.

A day is "like" a 1000 years and 1000 years like a day >>> to the Lord, in His mind. Omniscience is a concept, that must exist outside of our concept of time We can say one mile is like 1000 too >>> to the Lord because only He is omnipresent. This also mess was withbour concept of distance/ location. But it doesn't mean that the spiritual realm is much different from moment to moment. They just don't conceive or measure time as we do. They don't value time when they have eternity, there is plenty of it.

 

[Keraz]

A day is "like" a 1000 years and 1000 years like a day >>> to the Lord, in His mind. Omniscience is a concept, that must exist outside of our concept of time We can say one mile is like 1000 too >>> to the Lord because only He is omnipresent. This also mess was withbour concept of distance/ location. But it doesn't mean that the spiritual realm is much different from moment to moment. They just don't conceive or measure time as we do. They don't value time when they have eternity, there is plenty of it.

I thought you believed what the Bible tells us. I was mistaken, your interpretation is to make something like Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8, into a meaningless and useless nonsense.
We also know that 'day', as used in Hosea 6:2, refers to thousand year periods. We have the benefit of hindsight, of the past two thousand years, when we were revived by the Gospel and after Jesus Returns; we will live in His Presence.

I agree that this formula for time on earth and in heaven, will not apply in the Eternal state; after the Millennium. You wrongly conflate the present state with Eternity.