I'm sure the Lord forgave them, but what happened to them would require a death to fix. A sacrifice for the remission of sin and death to the fallen man nature.
"The Sin Of The World"
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I'm sure the Lord forgave them, but what happened to them would require a death to fix. A sacrifice for the remission of sin and death to the fallen man nature.
The remedy for sin already existed in the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, no?
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
It sure seems to me from these passages in Romans 5 that this is exactly what happened, and when later we read that Adam had a son in his own image, that this was no longer the exact image of God.
by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation
We are all condemned for Adam's offence, isn't that what this says? How is this so? We aren't responsible for what he did. But then, condemnation, katakrino, is not always about punishment for crime, it's also rejection unto destruction, or dishonor.
I don't think we need to infer nefarious intent.
The tree of life, I think it was God's intent that man might eat from it. Have you wondered why he hadn't? Perhaps no ripe fruit yet? I don't know. But he hadn't.
Perhaps God's intent was that in the due process of time, man would be permitted to eat and gain that knowledge. I don't know.
Perhaps God's intent was that man grow in relationship with Himself, and at the right time, in the right way, God would give Adam that knowledge. Again, I don't know, only that this need not have been some "evil scheme".
Perhaps God knew that when man elected to go his own way, that he would need something to give him direction, even knowing that direction would prove the undoing of every man that would ever live, save One, the Last Adam, the Second Man.
There are two men, Adam, and Christ. Adam is a type of Him Who was to come. In Christ, we are made alive, because in Adam, we died.
All died, and all are rejected, save those in Christ.
Much love!
I would agree.Yes, of course. Something is a type in Scripture if Scripture says it is a type. Going too far into a type that's not a type is like Sisera crawling into Jael's tent, it may feel like refuge, but you'll end up with a tent stake through your head!
Much love!
are we talking about 2 different things? Man is not a fallen creature, condemned yes, but not depraved. David was a man after God's own heart, and yet he committed some unimaginable and deplorable acts, some might say acts of depravity. What was he, depraved from a fallen nature, or a man after God's own heart?
You keep referring to the fact that all men are guilty, guilty is not inherently corrupt. And even then, Paul speaks of the perceived injustice of God for condemning all men for the sin of one. And, in order to justify it, he must juxtapose the grace that followed against such an austere decision, not exonerate God by defining man's indelible wickedness.
The point is, if even people without the aid of the Holy Spirit can love another, then clearly humanity does not have a fallen nature.
"a man after God's own heart"
I think many understand that to mean, David's heart was like God's heart. I don't think that's correct, rather, it refers to the fact that unlike Saul, David was the sort of man God wanted for their king.
You are right to point out we're talking about 2 things, condemned, and depraved.
You speak of 'an austere decision', do you mean before or after the fact? That is, was it God's decision to condemn all humanity for Adam's sin, or was there some certain inherant condition that caused that result?
I don't think that everyone being condemned was a judicial act as much as a natural consequence.
"If by the offence of one, many be dead", why are they dead?
"All men die because all men sin." If my sin is the reason for my death, then how is it by Adam's offence?
Much love!
Why did Paul entertain the fact that it appeared unjust? Clearly it was a judicial decision. Plus it explicitly and emphatically states that it was a decision by God, ...in order that God may show His mercy to all men.
No, Adam & Eve disobeyed God while in their 'pure' state. Sin occurred both before an after the fall.
The way that you speak, sin should increase exponentially then, till the point that there's no goodness left. And yet, the monarchs of Israel & Judah were arbitrarily good and bad. Brain damage did not occur.
Ephesians 2
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
I think this passage shows these things.
Much love!
