The sin of unbelief

[H. Richard]

The sin that kept the Jewish people out of the promised land was the sin of unbelief; God told them to go into the land and that He would drive the people there out with Hornets. But did they believe God? No and therefore God made them wonder in the dessert for 40 years.

Jesus came to Israel to be their Messiah and king and the proof was in the miracles/signs He performed which were indicated in the O.T prophesies. Did they believe Him?? No they didn't and God has set them aside and reached out to the Gentiles with His grace as preached by Paul.

God is still reaching out to the world, but the world is no longer listening. They would much rather have a religion based on their works in trying to live under the law than God's grace.

Just as in the past, the sin that condemns people today is the sin of unbelief, to not believe Jesus' shed blood on the cross has already paid for their sins

1 Cor 15:3
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
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Gal 1:3-4
3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
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1 John 2:2
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
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1 John 4:10
10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
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[mjrhealth]

No one is interested in unbelief there are far to mant christians walking in it...

 

[H. Richard]

No one is interested in unbelief there are far to mant christians walking in it...

You said that right. Jesus did everything necessary for our salvation when He shed His blood on a cross. His works, not ours. But it seems mankind would rather trust in what they do to obtain salvation. I wonder how God feels when mankind would rather trust in their religions instead of what His Son did on a cross?? I don't think He is happy about it. It is the reason the Jews have been set aside until the age of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. .

 

[Zachary]

The sin that kept the Jewish people out of the promised land was the sin of unbelief;
God told them to go into the land and that He would drive the people there out with Hornets.
But did they believe God? No and therefore God made them wonder in the dessert for 40 years.

Thanks, I didn't realize that those Hornets were part of the Godhead,
nor did I realize that the Israelites were wondering why their desserts got spoiled.

 

[H. Richard]

Thanks, I didn't realize that those Hornets were part of the Godhead,
nor did I realize that the Israelites were wondering why their desserts got spoiled.

Your reply makes no sense.

 

[FHII]

Your reply makes no sense.

I got the one about the hornets. He purposely (I hope purposely0 took it out of context to be a funny guy.

Thr other part was him being a spelling czar.

 

[KingJ]

1. The sin that kept the Jewish people out of the promised land was the sin of unbelief; God told them to go into the land and that He would drive the people there out with Hornets. But did they believe God? No and therefore God made them wonder in the dessert for 40 years.

2. Jesus came to Israel to be their Messiah and king and the proof was in the miracles/signs He performed which were indicated in the O.T prophesies. Did they believe Him?? No they didn't and God has set them aside and reached out to the Gentiles with His grace as preached by Paul.

1. They did not inherit the promised land because they were too consumed with breaking the commandments from Moses.

2. The gospel was always going to be preached to the gentiles. Paul preached to Jews and gentiles. We were never any better then the Jews who crucified Jesus.

The words belief and faith are not stand alone words. When we say their '''belief''' we need to qualifiy it. As with faith many can easily assume you are referring to faith in faith. Or as in this case, belief in the unseen being real. Is this the belief they lacked?

 

[H. Richard]

1. They did not inherit the promised land because they were too consumed with breaking the commandments from Moses.

2. The gospel was always going to be preached to the gentiles. Paul preached to Jews and gentiles. We were never any better then the Jews who crucified Jesus.

The words belief and faith are not stand alone words. When we say their '''belief''' we need to qualifiy it. As with faith many can easily assume you are referring to faith in faith. Or as in this case, belief in the unseen being real. Is this the belief they lacked?

Believe -- faith -- trust -- confidence. Each of these words can be used to describe the others.

The sin of un-belief is to not take God at His word. God said go into the land --- Man said we can't because they did not believe the word of God. It's really very simple.

In this age of grace man has a choice, to believe that Jesus' work on the has paid for all the sins of mankind or to not believe it. It is a FACT that the ascended Lord, Jesus Christ, gave the gospel of grace to Paul and told him to go into the world to preach it to Gentiles and to who ever would listen to it. The scriptures make it plain that Paul is the Apostle sent to the Gentiles.

Some argue that Peter and thev12 went to the Gentiles too but did they? If they did then they reneged on their promise before God. renege = to back out of an agreement; to go back on a promise.

Gal 2:9
9 and when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they (the 12) gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. circumcised = Jews.
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Remember Paul's warning!!!

Gal 1:6-9
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
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[KingJ]

Believe -- faith -- trust -- confidence. Each of these words can be used to describe the others.

The sin of un-belief is to not take God at His word. God said go into the land --- Man said we can't because they did not believe the word of God. It's really very simple.

In this age of grace man has a choice, to believe that Jesus' work on the has paid for all the sins of mankind or to not believe it. It is a FACT that the ascended Lord, Jesus Christ, gave the gospel of grace to Paul and told him to go into the world to preach it to Gentiles and to who ever would listen to it. The scriptures make it plain that Paul is the Apostle sent to the Gentiles.

Some argue that Peter and thev12 went to the Gentiles too but did they? If they did then they reneged on their promise before God. renege = to back out of an agreement; to go back on a promise.

Gal 2:9
9 and when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they (the 12) gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. circumcised = Jews.
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Remember Paul's warning!!!

Gal 1:6-9
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
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Unbelief / faith / trust can be in various things. I can believe there is a God but not care about what He says in His word as I can believe He is evil.

Every man on this planet can be forgiven for NOT believing a man who walked the earth 2 000 years ago is God of the universe.

The type of belief / faith the bible refers to Christians needing / having is absolute faith IN Him. As without this faith we cannot please Him. A Christian can only call Jesus Lord by the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 12:3. The Holy Spirit gives us a measure of faith for this only after judging our minds and hearts Jer 17:10. We cannot invent this belief / faith. It has to be given.

Telling people not to have unbelief is like saying we must stay positive or else we will receive nothing from God. Don't have unwavering faith. Like God actually cares about our positive mental state.

Today:

Everybody believes there is a God. Even atheists.
Everybody believes God can do pretty much anything. It should go without saying...
Not everyone believes Jesus is Lord.
Not everyone believes God is good.

With the Jews in the wilderness, they all believed there was a God. He parted the red sea for them, daily rained mana and gave them a cloud. But they did not put their faith in Him. They put it in idols. They put it in themselves. Because they loved the darkness and hated the light John 3:19.

Consider Abraham. The profound faith he had was faith in..A. God existing, B. God's ability to do a miracle or C. God being good and trustworthy? If anyone preaches A or B they are in terrible error and introducing positive thinking into Christianity. Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with positive thinking / mentally persuading yourself that with God the impossible is possible. It is a given for every person with a working brain. Hardly an accomplishment.

So what unbelief exactly are you referring to? What scripture are you using for this belief?

 

[H. Richard]

Unbelief / faith / trust can be in various things. I can believe there is a God but not care about what He says in His word as I can believe He is evil.

Every man on this planet can be forgiven for NOT believing a man who walked the earth 2 000 years ago is God of the universe.

The type of belief / faith the bible refers to Christians needing / having is absolute faith IN Him. As without this faith we cannot please Him. A Christian can only call Jesus Lord by the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 12:3. The Holy Spirit gives us a measure of faith for this only after judging our minds and hearts Jer 17:10. We cannot invent this belief / faith. It has to be given.

Telling people not to have unbelief is like saying we must stay positive or else we will receive nothing from God. Don't have unwavering faith. Like God actually cares about our positive mental state.

Today:

Everybody believes there is a God. Even atheists.
Everybody believes God can do pretty much anything. It should go without saying...
Not everyone believes Jesus is Lord.
Not everyone believes God is good.

With the Jews in the wilderness, they all believed there was a God. He parted the red sea for them, daily rained mana and gave them a cloud. But they did not put their faith in Him. They put it in idols. They put it in themselves. Because they loved the darkness and hated the light John 3:19.

Consider Abraham. The profound faith he had was faith in..A. God existing, B. God's ability to do a miracle or C. God being good and trustworthy? If anyone preaches A or B they are in terrible error and introducing positive thinking into Christianity. Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with positive thinking / mentally persuading yourself that with God the impossible is possible. It is a given for every person with a working brain. Hardly an accomplishment.

So what unbelief exactly are you referring to? What scripture are you using for this belief?

Why do you want to make it so difficult. Maybe this will help you.

Believe -- faith -- trust -- confidence. Each of these words can be used to describe the others.

The sin of un-belief is to not take God at His word. God said go into the land --- Man said we can't because they did not believe the word of God. It's really very simple.

In this age of grace a man has a choice, to believe that Jesus' work on the has paid for all the sins of mankind or to not believe it. It is a FACT that the ascended Lord, Jesus Christ, gave the gospel of grace to Paul and told him to go into the world to preach it to Gentiles and to who ever would listen to it. The scriptures make it plain that Paul is the Apostle sent to the Gentiles.

A person must believe in, have faith in, trust in, have confidence in the promise that Jesus (God) gave to us in the gospel Jesus gave to Paul;

Rom 10:8-11
8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
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Rom 3:24-27
24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness
because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Boasting Excluded 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
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[KingJ]

Why do you want to make it so difficult. Maybe this will help you.

My post is painfully simple.

By not qualifying the faith you are referring to you are espousing faith in faith.

 

[KingJ]

God said go into the land --- Man said we can't because they did not believe the word of God. It's really very simple.

Actually no, God is not dumb or mad. That should be painfully simple.

 

[KingJ]

In this age of grace a man has a choice, to believe that Jesus' work on the has paid for all the sins of mankind or to not believe it. It is a FACT that the ascended Lord, Jesus Christ, gave the gospel of grace to Paul and told him to go into the world to preach it to Gentiles and to who ever would listen to it. The scriptures make it plain that Paul is the Apostle sent to the Gentiles.

A person must believe in, have faith in, trust in, have confidence in the promise that Jesus (God) gave to us in the gospel Jesus gave to Paul;

It is impossible for any man to believe a man who walked the earth 2 000 years ago is God of the universe / paid for our sins for all eternity. This has to be revealed to us / this faith given. So, no, what you are saying sounds right but is actually heretical.

 

[H. Richard]

It is impossible for any man to believe a man who walked the earth 2 000 years ago is God of the universe / paid for our sins for all eternity. This has to be revealed to us / this faith given. So, no, what you are saying sounds right but is actually heretical.

It might be imposable for you but there are many that do it and I am one of them.

You have just called me and the others "heretics". You have not offended me but you have offended God.

Acts 10:11-16
11 and saw heaven opened and an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth.
12 In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.
13 And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat."
14 But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean."
15 And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common."
16 This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.
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You will say it is only talking about eating but verse 15 does not say it is limited to eating. As a matter of fact it was indicating everything that God called clean ; Those Gentiles saved under grace..

 

[StanJ]

It is impossible for any man to believe a man who walked the earth 2 000 years ago is God of the universe / paid for our sins for all eternity. This has to be revealed to us / this faith given. So, no, what you are saying sounds right but is actually heretical.

Then I guess billions have done the impossible.

 

[lforrest]

Then I guess billions have done the impossible.

What is impossible with man is possible with God

 

[StanJ]

What is impossible with man is possible with God

Amen!

 

[KingJ]

Then I guess billions have done the impossible.

You can believe this without the Holy Spirit?

I believe you can come close as Napolean did http://www.thesacredpage.com/2008/04/napoleons-proof-for-divinity-of-jesus.html.

But scripture is clear that no one can truthfully say / believe Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

 

[KingJ]

It might be imposable for you but there are many that do it and I am one of them.

You have just called me and the others "heretics". You have not offended me but you have offended God.

No. I have called your self mustered faith dog turd in God's eyes.

 

[KingJ]

Amen!

Why are you saying Amen? The line is in 100% contrast to yours.

You said ''man'' has done the impossible.

He said ''God'' can help man do the impossible.

An ocean of difference and my chief argument ;).