The Singular Factor In Coming To God Through Christ.

[Truther]

If it sounds like Iesous, it is Iesous.... to God.

Languages are varied, but God knows them all.

 

[Truther]

Sorry, but Hebrews 9 calls the New Testament (covenant) the last will and testament of Jesus, and that as with all wills, it took effect at His death:

Heb 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Heb 9:16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.

Heb 9:17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.

Heb 9:18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.

Shalom Aleichem

Of course he had to die.

But, nobody was given the Holy Ghost until Acts 2.

The new covenant is without the Holy Ghost?

 

[Truther]

What if I used his name Emmanuel? Would you consider that incorrect? Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel” (which being interpreted is, “God with us”).

Jesus' name is "son"?

 

[Raccoon1010]

Jesus' name is "son"?

Many people believe that he has many names, have you google Jesus' many names?

Names

• Jesus.
• Emmanuel.
• Christ.
• Lord.
• Master.
• Logos (the Word)
• Son of God.
• Son of man.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Actually, Jesus said many - not all - who are first shall be last, and Vice versa.

I was toying with my buddy, @Blood Bought 1953, lol. Not making a doctrinal statement.

Many who we think have earned the highest level of reward in heaven will find that most of their apparent good works are burned up as dross, and they will enter heaven with the least reward in heaven.

BTW the highest level of reward in heaven is martyrdom, which is why scripture says many believers refused deliverance so as to obtain a higher reward in heaven.

But, since you bring it up, lol...

Right off I don't see a connection between that phrase, and rewards. I see it used in regard to order of salvation. And in regard to the opposite of what you're saying—that your sacrifice and service doesn't matter in regard to being first or last in the kingdom of God. Which is in stark contrast to our natural, human thinking.

Jesus said even the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the Baptist....John the Baptist born with the Holy Spirit—seemingly abandoned by God in an unfair and cruel imprisonment and martyrdom. A supreme example of sacrifice and service to God. And yet the least of these is greater than he. God seems to have another program at work here that grates against our natural inclinations about status and greatness, and so some who are seemingly first (because of our natural expectations) will be last, and some who are last will be first. Makes me think of 1 Corinthians 12:22-23...

"the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts we consider less honorable, we treat with greater honor."​

God sees things different than us—the less honorable are treated with greater honor. And so many who we consider first will be last, and many who we consider last will be first.

 

[David H.]

I was toying with my buddy, @Blood Bought 1953, lol. Not making a doctrinal statement.


But, since you bring it up, lol...

Right off I don't see a connection between that phrase, and rewards. I see it used in regard to order of salvation. And in regard to the opposite of what you're saying—that your sacrifice and service doesn't matter in regard to being first or last in the kingdom of God. Which is in stark contrast to our natural, human thinking.

Jesus said even the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the Baptist....John the Baptist born with the Holy Spirit—seemingly abandoned by God in an unfair and cruel imprisonment and martyrdom. A supreme example of sacrifice and service to God. And yet the least of these is greater than he. God seems to have another program at work here that grates against our natural inclinations about status and greatness, and so some who are seemingly first (because of our natural expectations) will be last, and some who are last will be first. Makes me think of 1 Corinthians 12:22-23...

"the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts we consider less honorable, we treat with greater honor."​

God sees things different than us—the less honorable are treated with greater honor. And so many who we consider first will be last, and many who we consider last will be first.

You are both right

 

[Truther]

Yes but I'm not the stickler, @Truther is making that argument. I was happily baptized in the Name(singular) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Per:

Matthew 28:19
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name(Singular)of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”

Yep, a specific name.

 

[Truther]

Sorry, but Hebrews 9 calls the New Testament (covenant) the last will and testament of Jesus, and that as with all wills, it took effect at His death:

Heb 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.

Heb 9:16 For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.

Heb 9:17 For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.

Heb 9:18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood.

Shalom Aleichem

Again, the New Testament started at Pentecost. Without the Holy Ghost, nobody is in the New Testament church. The death of the testator already happened. But the Holy Ghost was yet to be poured out until Acts 2. I would never assume that the covenant was enforced before the Holy Ghost was poured out. That makes no sense. Nor does it make scriptural sense.

 

[Truther]

What if I used his name Emmanuel? Would you consider that incorrect? Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel” (which being interpreted is, “God with us”).

Is that name what Peter and Paul used? Is that name what Philip used? Is that name what the Samaritans were baptized in? You better stick with the script.

 

[Truther]

Many people believe that he has many names, have you google Jesus' many names?

Names

• Jesus.
• Emmanuel.
• Christ.
• Lord.
• Master.
• Logos (the Word)
• Son of God.
• Son of man.

Which one did Peter use at Pentecost?

 

[Truther]

Guys, can anyone think of a scripture that says that we must use a specific name for every one of the words and deeds that we do in the new testament?

Does anyone know that baptism is both word and deed?

 

[Truther]

And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father


Does all really mean all?

 

[Raccoon1010]

Which one did Peter use at Pentecost?

You appear to be stuck on this name: Jesus. I don't think most countries even use that name. Have you been around the block with other countries and the name they use. But no, Peter didn't use the name Jesus either, it was added into your translated bible. We've already been over this fact.

 

[Curtis]

Again, the New Testament started at Pentecost. Without the Holy Ghost, nobody is in the New Testament church. The death of the testator already happened. But the Holy Ghost was yet to be poured out until Acts 2. I would never assume that the covenant was enforced before the Holy Ghost was poured out. That makes no sense. Nor does it make scriptural sense.

Except that’s exactly what the scripture says, so obviously it makes scriptural sense.

 

[Curtis]

I was toying with my buddy, @Blood Bought 1953, lol. Not making a doctrinal statement.


But, since you bring it up, lol...

Right off I don't see a connection between that phrase, and rewards. I see it used in regard to order of salvation. And in regard to the opposite of what you're saying—that your sacrifice and service doesn't matter in regard to being first or last in the kingdom of God. Which is in stark contrast to our natural, human thinking.

Jesus said even the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the Baptist....John the Baptist born with the Holy Spirit—seemingly abandoned by God in an unfair and cruel imprisonment and martyrdom. A supreme example of sacrifice and service to God. And yet the least of these is greater than he. God seems to have another program at work here that grates against our natural inclinations about status and greatness, and so some who are seemingly first (because of our natural expectations) will be last, and some who are last will be first. Makes me think of 1 Corinthians 12:22-23...

"the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts we consider less honorable, we treat with greater honor."​

God sees things different than us—the less honorable are treated with greater honor. And so many who we consider first will be last, and many who we consider last will be first.

Believers are judged for rewards in heaven, and our works are metaphorically tried in the fire as gold is melted to separate the impurities, and works done without selfish motives receive recognition for them, and they earn rewards, aka crowns - those works done for wrong motives are burned up as dross. Some will get many crowns, some will enter heaven with nothing - thus many who seem to be first in the kingdom in this life will enter heaven with no rewards, whereas many others who did their works in secret and seemed to be the least on earth, enter heaven with many crowns and become great in the kingdom of heaven.

John the Baptist in his mortal life on earth was not as great as the least in heaven, but I have no doubt that when John left mortal life and got to heaven, he was not the least among them, then.

Maranatha

 

[Ferris Bueller]

works done without selfish motives receive recognition for them, and they earn rewards, aka crowns - those works done for wrong motives are burned up as dross.

It makes no sense that if I commissioned you to build a building that I would burn up the work that you did out of selfish motives. But it does make perfect sense that I would give you no reward for work that did not pass inspection and was removed from the building, or failed to withstand the storm it was built to withstand.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

John the Baptist in his mortal life on earth was not as great as the least in heaven, but I have no doubt that when John left mortal life and got to heaven, he was not the least among them, then.

What changed that John is now greater than the least in the kingdom of God?

 

[Truther]

You appear to be stuck on this name: Jesus. I don't think most countries even use that name. Have you been around the block with other countries and the name they use. But no, Peter didn't use the name Jesus either, it was added into your translated bible. We've already been over this fact.

Peter used the name Iesous.

He used it in every word and deed.

Jesus taught him to do that per Mark 16.

 

[Truther]

Except that’s exactly what the scripture says, so obviously it makes scriptural sense.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Is this with or without the Holy Ghost infilling?

 

[amigo de christo]

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Is this with or without the Holy Ghost infilling?

Oh its the holy ghost . the believing jews and gentiles are the people of God . All else is truly vain .
Let the LORD be praised my friends .