The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.

[Spiritual Israelite]

You might want talk to Noah and Lot.

What do you mean by that? Are you just not able to communicate clearly or you don't want to do that?

Honestly, do you see that with Noah and Lot?

Do I see what with Noah and Lot?

Ever since Adam, the judgment of mortal death is final and eternal. No one is born having an immortal eternal living soul.

What does this have to do with what we're talking about?

The ONLY way to escape eternal death is by having faith in the Messiah Jesus, the Promise that was to come, who came in mortal flesh, is now coming by His Holy Spirit, and shall come again in His Immortal self.

Yes, of course. I never said otherwise. Go ahead and keep talking to your strawman if you want, but I'd prefer you talk to me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Did the repentant thief on the cross appear before Jesus?
Yes, he did, when he said: "Remember me when you come into your kingdom".
Jesus said: Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

No one has yet appeared before Him when He is on His judgment seat/throne. Jesus Himself clearly said that all people will be gathered before Him AT THE SAME TIME and then each of them will have to give an account of themselves to Him, as Paul said all people will have to do in Romans 14:10-12.

In the Day of Jesus' Glorious visible return, paradise will be EMPTIED**.

1 Thes. 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING with him.

**You can go see paradise in Rev. 6:11

Yes, of course. You keep wasting your time talking to your strawman. If that's all you're going to do, then this discussion is over.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Si said > Unbelievers will also stand before the judgment seat of Christ, as Matthew 25:31-46
List the verses where Matthew teaches the SAME " Judgement Seat of Christ as Paul
Rom 14:10, 2 Co 5:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15

How can you think that His throne in Matthew 25:31-46 is different than His judgment seat? That makes no sense.

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1 Cor 5:10-15

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Did you not see what I had said about Romans 14:10-12? You obviously don't understand what Paul said in that passage.

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Notice that Paul associates the time when all will stand before the judgments seat of Christ with the time when every person will bow down to Him. Do you understand that even unbelievers will be bowing before Jesus and acknowledging that He is Lord?

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

So, when else will unbelievers be bowing before Jesus and confessing that He is Lord except when appearing before Him when He is on His judgment seat? No other time. That will be when He returns, as Jesus Himself indicated in Matthew 25:31-46.

Look at the passage that Paul was referencing when talking about every knee bowing before Jesus.

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Notice that even those who "are incensed against him" will bow to Him and "shall be ashamed". So, scripture is clear that unbelievers will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Only doctrinal bias can prevent someone from seeing this clear truth.

 

[Earburner]

No one has yet appeared before Him when He is on His judgment seat/throne. Jesus Himself clearly said that all people will be gathered before Him AT THE SAME TIME and then each of them will have to give an account of themselves to Him, as Paul said all people will have to do in Romans 14:10-12.


Yes, of course. You keep wasting your time talking to your strawman. If that's all you're going to do, then this discussion is over.

No one has yet appeared before Him when He is on His judgment seat/throne. Jesus Himself clearly said that all people will be gathered before Him AT THE SAME TIME and then each of them will have to give an account of themselves to Him, as Paul said all people will have to do in Romans 14:10-12.


Yes, of course. You keep wasting your time talking to your strawman. If that's all you're going to do, then this discussion is over.

The repentant thief is IN PARADISE, ASLEEP IN JESUS, along with the figurative 144,000 of OC. Israel. HOW did he and all the others GET TO BE THERE, if they DIDN'T "appear before the judgment seat of Christ" already???

You are being hamstring by your indoctrination, believing that "the judgment seat of Christ" must be a physical event. The same situation applies to the Great white throne judgment. That event is not physical either.

That is why I put Noah and Lot in front of you. In their day, no one was forced to appear before any physical judgment seat of any kind by God. They either obeyed God's call to them or they didn't. Very simple.
God is not obligated to provide any explanation to anyone who choose to not partake of His Grace.

Noah and family, as well as Lot, found Grace in God's eyes. No one else did, Therefore being NOT REMEMBERED by God they are permanently lost.

So then, let's look at the "GWTJ". In so doing we are going to discover something that will turn the tables on what you are attempting to promote.
Rev. 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God [figuratively]; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell [the graves] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever WAS NOT FOUND written IN the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
> Did you happen to notice that ALL who were supposedly literally judged according to their works, there wasn't a single one of them saved!! WHY??
Their WORKS were never THE CRITERIA for salvation, but rather that their NAME was to be remembered by God [Malachi 3:16-18] and found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, who is Jesus.

In regards to the Book of Life, did/do "works" matter? NO!! The Book of Life has nothing to do with any man's "works".
What MATTERS IS that your NAME is written in the Book of Life, and that is it!

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
> What were the words of the thief on the cross, who was at that moment under the OC.?
"Remember me....." (Malachi 3:16-18).
He is now a member of those shown in Rev. 6:9-11, who are asleep in Jesus, who is Himself The Book of Life.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The repentant thief is IN PARADISE, ASLEEP IN JESUS, along with the figurative 144,000 of OC. Israel. HOW did he and all the others GET TO BE THERE, if they DIDN'T "appear before the judgment seat of Christ" already???

Are you even trying to understand my points? It seems like you are giving ZERO effort to understand them. Of course I believe that the repentant thief on the cross, along with all dead believers, are with Jesus in paradise. How does that equate to them standing before Christ on His judgment seat giving an account of themselves? Jesus said that will happen at His second coming with His angels, which has not yet occurred (Matthew 25:31-46).

You are being hamstring by your indoctrination, believing that "the judgment seat of Christ" must be a physical event. The same situation applies to the Great white throne judgment. That event is not physical either.

The judgment seat of Christ and great white throne judgment are the same. How can you be an amillennialists and not understand these things? How can you say what you're saying here when scripture clearly indicates that all of the dead will be resurrected (John 5:28-29)? That's talking about the resurrection of their bodies. Hello? After the dead are resurrected when Jesus returns, then all people will stand before Him to give an account of themselves. Where does scripture teach that this has already happened? Nowhere.

That is why I put Noah and Lot in front of you. In their day, no one was forced to appear before any physical judgment seat of any kind. They either obeyed God's call to them or they didn't. Very simple.
God is not obligated to provide any explanation to anyone who choose to not partake of His Grace.

Noah and Lot will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of themselves along with all other people who ever have lived when Jesus returns. That's what Matthew 25:31-46 is about. At that point they, along with all believers, will inherit eternal life with immortal bodies in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world.

Noah and family, as well as Lot, found Grace in God's eyes. No one else did, Therefore being NOT REMEMBERED by God they are permanently lost.

What in the world are you talking about here? This is a complete waste of time. Don't bother responding. I'm done with your nonsense.

 

[soberxp]

The "sudden destruction" from which unbelievers "will not escape" on the day of the Lord will be caused by fire coming down on the earth.​

Everything in nature is perfectly balanced,but if human beings falling from obey the word of God, we have been breaking the perfectly balanced.
We still here on earth, it's God made the plan for all of us to learning from life.
This life is not just our human life.This life is a proposition of learning word of God.Or a scientific proposition.It's like the Bible has predicted the destruction of the world and the end of the world.
It's not because Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden.The mistakes they have made.This is about whether we humansReally relearn to obey God's Word.But I don't think humans are doing well.Otherwise it won't be described in the bible.About this world in the book of revelation.A tragic future.

But the Bible also says that prophecy cannot be changed.So I think ...Maybe humansNeed learning from Failure or Or god will say to mankind at the last judgment.God will point to the earth and say.The ruined earth, look what you have done to life by fire, I teach you water of life, you only know the The technology of fire.

 

[rvmb]

How can you think that His throne in Matthew 25:31-46 is different than His judgment seat? That makes no sense.


Did you not see what I had said about Romans 14:10-12? You obviously don't understand what Paul said in that passage.

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Notice that Paul associates the time when all will stand before the judgments seat of Christ with the time when every person will bow down to Him. Do you understand that even unbelievers will be bowing before Jesus and acknowledging that He is Lord?

Philippians 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

So, when else will unbelievers be bowing before Jesus and confessing that He is Lord except when appearing before Him when He is on His judgment seat? No other time. That will be when He returns, as Jesus Himself indicated in Matthew 25:31-46.

Look at the passage that Paul was referencing when talking about every knee bowing before Jesus.

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
24 Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

Notice that even those who "are incensed against him" will bow to Him and "shall be ashamed". So, scripture is clear that unbelievers will stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Only doctrinal bias can prevent someone from seeing this clear truth.

The request is JUST THE VERSES not opinions.
The request remains :-
>>>>List the verses where Matthew teaches the SAME " Judgement Seat of Christ as Paul
Rom 14:10, 2 Co 5:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15.
The verses Si, the verses

 

[rwb]

Si said > Unbelievers will also stand before the judgment seat of Christ, as Matthew 25:31-46
List the verses where Matthew teaches the SAME " Judgement Seat of Christ as Paul
Rom 14:10, 2 Co 5:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15
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1 Cor 5:10-15

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Yes, the judgment seat of Christ is what all faithful Christians are called to endure in this life. It is the fiery trials we are called to endure as the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is being built through the power of the Spirit in us. The judgment seat of Christ is what every faithful saint is ordained to endure during this age of time. Then when this age is over, the spiritual Kingdom of God complete, faithful saints shall be present at the great white throne judgment, that shall come upon all of the DEAD (unsaved), but we, who are in Christ eternally saved, will not be judged according to what is found written in the books and the book of life to be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. Because we who keep the faith unto the end of this life have endured the fiery judgment seat of Christ through trials of our faith while still clothed in mortal body of flesh.

1 Peter 4:12-19 (KJV) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

When we are in Christ, having been born again of His Spirit, we are no longer men in the flesh, but have become men who are called to live according to God in the spirit. Judgment comes to all men of the flesh whether now in this life or after this life is over at the GWTJ. When believers stand with Christ at the GWTJ, we are not judged according to our righteous or unrighteous deeds while in mortal flesh. Because then we will have been changed from mortal to immortal body no longer tainted with sin and destined to die the second death.

1 Peter 4:6 (KJV) For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

 

[rwb]

Did the repentant thief on the cross appear before Jesus?
Yes, he did, when he said: "Remember me when you come into your kingdom".
Jesus said: Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

In the Day of Jesus' Glorious visible return, paradise will be EMPTIED**.

1 Thes. 4
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING with him.

To be "asleep in Jesus", means that they were JUDGED, like that of the repentant thief.
BTW, it's not by accident that the repentant thief used the word "remember". That word is found in Malachi 3:16-18, of which was a function of God to "remember" the names of the faithful of Israel. The permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit was not yet given until AFTER the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Yes indeed, that repentant thief is one of the Lord's "Jewels"


**In Rev. 6:11, you can go see them with their "white robes" asleep in paradise.

It was that part of the grave called of Old the bosom of Abraham that was emptied by Christ after He arose from the grave and before ascending to heaven first descended into the lower parts of the earth to set the captives of faithful Old Covenant saints free. Though physically they have died in Jesus (sleep), spiritually, as the spiritual body of Christ they ascended with Christ to heaven. As spiritual body in heaven, living souls after physical death, believers are not asleep but actively giving glory, honor and praise in song to God there. As spiritual body in heaven being without human form, faithful saints shall be at rest (dead) physically, but as spiritual body/living souls in heaven very much alive in spirit eternally, just as Christ promised we who are in Him shall always be.

Luke 16:22 (KJV) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Revelation 6:9-11 (KJV) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 14:1-3 (KJV) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

 

[Earburner]

Are you even trying to understand my points? It seems like you are giving ZERO effort to understand them. Of course I believe that the repentant thief on the cross, along with all dead believers, are with Jesus in paradise. How does that equate to them standing before Christ on His judgment seat giving an account of themselves? Jesus said that will happen at His second coming with His angels, which has not yet occurred (Matthew 25:31-46).


The judgment seat of Christ and great white throne judgment are the same. How can you be an amillennialists and not understand these things? How can you say what you're saying here when scripture clearly indicates that all of the dead will be resurrected (John 5:28-29)? That's talking about the resurrection of their bodies. Hello? After the dead are resurrected when Jesus returns, then all people will stand before Him to give an account of themselves. Where does scripture teach that this has already happened? Nowhere.


Noah and Lot will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of themselves along with all other people who ever have lived when Jesus returns. That's what Matthew 25:31-46 is about. At that point they, along with all believers, will inherit eternal life with immortal bodies in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world.


What in the world are you talking about here? This is a complete waste of time. Don't bother responding. I'm done with your nonsense.

On the day of Jesus' mortal death, after He was glorified, ALL who were "under the altar" of the OC., in paradise, and were remembered by God, they were given the Holy Spirit. Malachi 3:16-18; John 7:39.
They are now asleep in paradise (heaven) having received the Holy Spirit (white robes), aka the Gift of Eternal life. Rev. 6:9-11; 1 John 5:12. Their judgment is PAST, in the day that they were given the Holy Spirit AFTER Jesus' mortal death.

They are now asleep, simply waiting to be risen from sleep and made into the likeness of Christ's Immortality and descend from heaven (paradise) with Him, to receive all of us who remain, and are waiting in faith believing on the earth.
1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
These are they, who were seen "under the altar**" (aka.- an "altar" is symbolic of a place of **remembrance) in Rev. 6:9-11.

 

[rvmb]

Yes, the judgment seat of Christ is what all faithful Christians are called to endure in this life. It is the fiery trials we are called to endure as the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is being built through the power of the Spirit in us. The judgment seat of Christ is what every faithful saint is ordained to endure during this age of time. Then when this age is over, the spiritual Kingdom of God complete, faithful saints shall be present at the great white throne judgment, that shall come upon all of the DEAD (unsaved), but we, who are in Christ eternally saved, will not be judged according to what is found written in the books and the book of life to be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. Because we who keep the faith unto the end of this life have endured the fiery judgment seat of Christ through trials of our faith while still clothed in mortal body of flesh.

1 Peter 4:12-19 (KJV) Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

When we are in Christ, having been born again of His Spirit, we are no longer men in the flesh, but have become men who are called to live according to God in the spirit. Judgment comes to all men of the flesh whether now in this life or after this life is over at the GWTJ. When believers stand with Christ at the GWTJ, we are not judged according to our righteous or unrighteous deeds while in mortal flesh. Because then we will have been changed from mortal to immortal body no longer tainted with sin and destined to die the second death.

1 Peter 4:6 (KJV) For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Request is for the verses :)
List the verses where Matthew teaches the SAME " Judgement Seat of Christ as Paul
Rom 14:10, 2 Co 5:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15
ps..I only read opinions if they're asked for.

 

[Earburner]

Are you even trying to understand my points? It seems like you are giving ZERO effort to understand them. Of course I believe that the repentant thief on the cross, along with all dead believers, are with Jesus in paradise. How does that equate to them standing before Christ on His judgment seat giving an account of themselves? Jesus said that will happen at His second coming with His angels, which has not yet occurred (Matthew 25:31-46).

Scripturally and spiritually, there is no doubt that all who are "under the altar" of the OC., who were of faith in "the Promise to come" ARE REMEMBERED by God.
Please tell us WHEN and HOW that judgment took place, that the thief and all the faithful under the OC were granted the privilege and the ability to be WITH Jesus in paradise right now.

The judgment seat of Christ and great white throne judgment are the same.

They are not the same, and neither one are a physical event as church-ianity likes to promote it. Both events are to be understood figuratively.
The Judgment seat of Christ is for the Gift of God's salvation to ALL who willingly repent towards God and come to Him through faith in Jesus. For all that do, their names are written/recorded/sealed in the Book of Life who is Jesus, and therefore they are Remembered by God.
The Great White Throne judgment is for ALL who never appeared before the judgment Seat of Christ and therefore are "condemned already" without explanation (John 3:18). God has no Remembrance of them because their names are not recorded/written in the Book of Life who is Jesus. He NEVER knew them, or who they ever were!!
Mat. 7
22 Many will say to me in that day [of 24 hours], Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[They were never born again of the Holy Spirit]

How can you be an amillennialists and not understand these things? How can you say what you're saying here when scripture clearly indicates that all of the dead will be resurrected (John 5:28-29)? That's talking about the resurrection of their bodies. Hello? After the dead are resurrected when Jesus returns, then all people will stand before Him to give an account of themselves. Where does scripture teach that this has already happened? Nowhere.

I am an Amillenialist in the Spirit of the word, NOT by the letter of the word, through some church doctrine.
1 Cor. ch. 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Noah and Lot will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to give an account of themselves along with all other people who ever have lived when Jesus returns. That's what Matthew 25:31-46 is about. At that point they, along with all believers, will inherit eternal life with immortal bodies in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world.

Do you not know that all of such as the above, are ASLEEP IN/WITH JESUS? ?
When and what was it, that was given to them to make it a reality that they are asleep (sealed) in Jesus (paradise)? Please see Rev. 6:9-11.

What in the world are you talking about here? This is a complete waste of time. Don't bother responding. I'm done with your nonsense.

Daily, God's prophetic words are unfolding about that which once was concealed, but has been slowly revealed, ever since Pentecost.

Church doctrines are cast in the cement of man's words, forbidding God's prophetic words to unfold and be told.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scripturally and spiritually, there is no doubt that all who are "under the altar" of the OC., who were of faith in "the Promise to come" ARE REMEMBERED by God.
Please tell us WHEN and HOW that judgment took place, that the thief and all the faithful under the OC were granted the privilege and the ability to be WITH Jesus in paradise right now.

They are not the same, and neither one are a physical event as church-ianity likes to promote it. Both events are to be understood figuratively.
The Judgment seat of Christ is for the Gift of God's salvation to ALL who willingly repent towards God and come to Him through faith in Jesus. For all that do, their names are written/recorded/sealed in the Book of Life who is Jesus, and therefore they are Remembered by God.
The Great White Throne judgment is for ALL who never appeared before the judgment Seat of Christ and therefore are "condemned already" without explanation (John 3:18). God has no Remembrance of them because their names are not recorded/written in the Book of Life who is Jesus. He NEVER knew them, or who they ever were!!
Mat. 7
22 Many will say to me in that day [of 24 hours], Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[They were never born again of the Holy Spirit]

I am an Amillenialist in the Spirit of the word, NOT by the letter of the word, through some church doctrine.
1 Cor. ch. 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Do you not know that all of such as the above, are ASLEEP IN/WITH JESUS? ?
When and what was it, that was given to them to make it a reality that they are asleep (sealed) in Jesus (paradise)? Please see Rev. 6:9-11.


Daily, God's prophetic words are unfolding about that which once was concealed, but has been slowly revealed, ever since Pentecost.

Church doctrines are cast in the cement of man's words, forbidding God's prophetic words to unfold and be told.

You speak gibberish like so many on this forum. Just tell me this. Do you believe that Jesus will return bodily in the future (Acts 1:9-11)? And do you believe that the dead in Christ will be resurrected bodily in the future and then changed to put on bodily immortality at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:50-54)?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The request is JUST THE VERSES not opinions.

Yes, God forbid that I show you what the verses mean. When did you decide to be unteachable?

The request remains :-
>>>>List the verses where Matthew teaches the SAME " Judgement Seat of Christ as Paul
Rom 14:10, 2 Co 5:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15.
The verses Si, the verses

Once again. Matthew 25:31-46. It describes people appearing before Christ to be judged. How could that be any different than the judgment seat of Christ?

 

[Earburner]

You speak gibberish like so many on this forum. Just tell me this. Do you believe that Jesus will return bodily in the future (Acts 1:9-11)? And do you believe that the dead in Christ will be resurrected bodily in the future and then changed to put on bodily immortality at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:50-54)?

I gave you scripture to understand the issues about ALL the dead in Christ.
I am sure you can read it, but I am thinking that you have a discernment and digestion problem.
1 Thessalonians 4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus [paradise] will God  BRING with him.

On that Day, (2 Thes. 1:10) paradise (not the graves) will be EMPTIED, and all who have recieved the Holy Spirit (white robes) will be "changed in a twinkling of an eye" into the likeness of Christ's immortality.

I repeat: paradise will be EMPTIED, NOT the graves!
The graves will all be burned up in that 24 hour Day, when they are figuratively cast(?) into the Lake of fire, which shall engulf the entire planet earth.

 

[Earburner]

Yes, God forbid that I show you what the verses mean. When did you decide to be unteachable?


Once again. Matthew 25:31-46. It describes people appearing before Christ to be judged. How could that be any different than the judgment seat of Christ?

Sorry, all who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, have been judged "not condemned" and have already been partially rewarded with the Gift of Eternal life 1 John 5:12-13.
Upon Jesus' Glorious visible return, it is at THAT TIME that we ALL who are born again shall be made to be physically Immortal after His likeness.

 Maybe now you can appreciate why I describe the three appearances of the Lord as being:
1. Jesus in mortal flesh.
2. Jesus in the Holy Spirit.
3. Jesus in His Immortal Glory.
Even though none of the OT prophets could know anything of the three appearances of Jesus in chronological order, the books of Ezekiel and Zechariah do describe all three of Jesus' appearances.

Also, appearance #2 is so important for God and all of mankind, that only in that state of being (Rev. 3:20) does Jesus threaten men with the curse of "having never forgiveness", if they comitt the act of blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.

But then again, if there was NO appearance of Jesus in #2, appearance #1 would be a vain work of the Lord Jesus, and appearance #3 would be of no profit to anyone, including God the Father Himself.

 

[rvmb]

Yes, God forbid that I show you what the verses mean. When did you decide to be unteachable?


Once again. Matthew 25:31-46. It describes people appearing before Christ to be judged. How could that be any different than the judgment seat of Christ?

>>>>>>>>>" Matthew 25:31-46..... different than the judgment seat of Christ? ""
..
Rm 14:10, 1Cr 3:10-15, 2 Cr 5:15...... he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;
>>>>ALL ARE SAVED<<<<
..
Matt 25:31-46 .... Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
>>>>MANY NOT SAVED <<<<
..
Explain how they are the SAME JUDGEMENT

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

>>>>>>>>>" Matthew 25:31-46..... different than the judgment seat of Christ? ""
..
Rm 14:10, 1Cr 3:10-15, 2 Cr 5:15...... he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;
>>>>ALL ARE SAVED<<<<
..
Matt 25:31-46 .... Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
>>>>MANY NOT SAVED <<<<
..
Explain how they are the SAME JUDGEMENT

LOL! I did explain it already and you said to give verses only. Make up your mind! LOL! Can I find anyone here who wants to be taken seriously?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorry, all who are born again of God's Holy Spirit, have been judged "not condemned" and have already been partially rewarded with the Gift of Eternal life 1 John 5:12-13.
Upon Jesus' Glorious visible return, it is at THAT TIME that we ALL shall be made to be physically Immortal after His likeness.

Goodness gracious. You have a serious reading comprehension problem. I didn't say anything about any who are born again being condemned. Obviously, only unbelievers are condemned. Do you not understand that judgment results in either rewards or condemnation? Do you actually think I was saying believers would be judged in the sense of being condemned? Of course not. But, they do have to stand before Jesus to give an account of themselves, as Matthew 25:31-46 indicates and as Paul indicated in verses like 2 Corinthians 5:10 and Romans 14:10-12. Ugh. What a waste of time.

 

[rvmb]

LOL! I did explain it already and you said to give verses only. Make up your mind! LOL! Can I find anyone here who wants to be taken seriously?

Like Matt, list the verses in Rom 14:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10 that teach a believer is UNsaved