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  1. 2nd Timothy Group

    2nd Timothy Group Well-Known Member

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    Or even Jesus! How much did John charge for the Baptism that he gave to His Lord and Savior? This is just unbelievable.
     
  2. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    Ziggy these are Typical fundamentalist misunderstandings!

    to show that they are I will explain one of them for you!
    Ziggy these are Typical fundamentalist misunderstandings!

    to show that they are I will explain one of them for you!

    Matt 23:9
    Call no man Father?

    Is this an absolute requirement?
    Or is Our Savior condemning pride?

    God calls men father!

    Ex 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

    Jesus calls men father!

    Jn 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

    Mary calls men father!

    Lk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

    The stephen calls men father!

    Acts 7 Stephen quotes the fathers over and over!

    The Bible calls men father!

    Luke 16:24
    And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

    Then there is spiritual fathers!

    Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

    Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

    Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

    Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

    1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

    1 John 2
    My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

    That makes Peter, Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

    Is 22 the administrator of the kingdom is called father, so the same for Peter, the apostles, and their successors!
     
  3. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry.. I seen enough to know the truth..
    I won't even entertain any defence of the catholic establishment.
    none. nil, nope
    thank you but if you like your catholicism, you can keep your catholicism..
    babylon beast of all unsavoury nastiness and abominations...

    Hugs
     
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    @Ziggy It says it was wild honey...
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    your well entrenched in your fundamentalist bunker! Not the one true church founded by Christ on Peter!
     
  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I will admit I read somewhere that camel's hair was very expensive.
    But I think he may have gotten it from Elijah
    They answered him, “He wore a garment of haircloth, with a girdle of leather about his loins.” And he said, “It is Elijah the Tishbite.” (2 Kings 1:8)
    Hugs
     
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    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I don't have a bunker.. I have Jesus.
     
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I don't know who they worship but it's not Jesus Christ.
    And if Peter founded a church and Jesus isn't the foundation and no other..
    than it's built on sand and will someday sink in the sea.. hopefully.
    You don't even know do you?

    YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW.

    RUN
    RUN
     
  9. theefaith

    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    how did you get Jesus?
    Do you have a personal covenant?
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    I said Christ built the church on Peter the rock matt 16:18 eph 2:20 jn 20:21-22
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    How do you worship God?
     
  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    How did I get Jesus?
    He actually got me.
    Through somebody's sister who took the time to pray for me when I was around... 13ish.
    I knew of Jesus, but I didn't know Jesus.
    And I been very stubborn most my life knowing about Jesus.
    It's been about 6 years now that I know I know Jesus.
    And I know He knows me too.
    Long journey..
    But the fun has just begun :)
     
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    Peter is a little rock.. not THE ROCK,
    Peter maybe used to feed his sheep, now he eats them.
     
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    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    With every breath I take.
    Every thought I think.
    Every emotion in my heart
    Is His.. because he put it there himself.
    I sing, I pray, I meditate, I am captive to his word.
    I have no life of my own, my life belongs to Him.
    And Him alone.
    I answer to no man.
     
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    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    You ever been so close to death you can taste it?
    Somewhere in the late 80's, don't remember the year. I was driving on route 90 in Massachusetts going to work in Newton, Ma.
    I had to go through the I90 tunnel that ran under the city. I was in the center lane. I had a Ford Fairmont wagon piece of ....
    it decided one day to stall right in the middle lane. No lights, no nothing DEAD.
    I looked in my rearview window. 18 wheeler direct impact incoming.. kiss your arse goodbye sweet Jesus.
    I closed my eyes. I opened my eyes. That 18 wheeler was inches from my front bumper still moving on down the road.
    seconds.. not even seconds...
    am I dead? I don't know.
    All I know is what I didn't know then, is that I am never alone.

    I don't know if it was food poisoning or something..
    I was so sick I couldn't leave the toilet for over 24 hours. I was so weak, I said Lord, let's go, I can't do this no more.
    He said, yes you can I'm right here.
    And here I am..
    Am I dead? I don't know.
    All I know is what I learned that day, is that I am Never Alone.

    If you want to call that a covenant.. a promise?
    I'm still here. Wherever here is. And I know when He goes, He's taking me with Him.

    Hugs
     
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    2nd Timothy Group Well-Known Member

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    God built the church on a human that fell astray, led Barnabas astray, and the two of them led many astray. I would never, ever, never follow Peter. Never!

    Galatians 2:11-15 NIV - "When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. 14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"

    There is no one that consistently presented himself as a total pain-in-the-neck more than Peter, but I'm supposed to pray to Peter? Look at how many times Paul mentions Peter in his writings (Zero after Paul rebukes him openly and publicly). If Peter was the first Pope, the Apostle Paul couldn't give two-rips about it. That's pretty weird. Clearly, Peter, the little rock, was standing upon a Larger Rock, the Foundation of Christ. But Peter was just a little stone . . . and not a Cornerstone.

    That's it. Can't get anywhere without rational conversation. Done.
     
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    how does this verse apply to your claim?

    Galatians 3:27
    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    then why does Jesus say Thou art Peter and upon this (Peter) rock I will build my church? Matt 16:18
     
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    There can be no worship except in spirit and truth, including adoration, reparation, offering of propitiatory sacrifice! And only the holy sacrifice of the mass, the very sacrifice of Jesus offered to the father can constitute worship
     
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    that’s not a doctrine issues but a different discipline issues, apostles and popes are not infallible in matters of discipline, nor are they impeccable
     
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