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  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    This to me is like circumcision or baptism.. it is a "mark" or a "sign" that was given by God to man.. all mankind..
    so when you become under oppression or you live in a time when they demand you work 7 days 24 hours a week plus overtime..
    I think I was there a couple times, least it felt like it..
    The worldly demands for you to get more, do more, be more, possess more, work harder, work longer... on and on.
    Because the world will do it to you.
    So God who created one day out of seven for himself to rest in, gave this same day for all men to come out of the world and find rest in him.
    This is also that 1000 years of peace.. as a day is as 1000 years. It is symbolic, it is spiritual.. and those that know, KNOW.
    But the world don't know. They watch you, how come your not working today it's saturday not sunday?
    Why are you getting baptised, why did you circumcise your son?
    These are the witnesses in ourselves to the world that does NOT KNOW God.

    And the world don't like it. Because it seperates the ones that know from the one's that don't. Sanctified even.
    They don't want people asking, how come... because you may steal their next meal. Their next profit.

    I keep it bacause to me it is a "special" gift. A special day for me to make those that don't know, ask how come.
    And I'm not working on that day, God is drawing them to himself, through pure curiosity.

    And I'm good with that :)

    HUGS
     
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    BINGO, when one is born again, you acquire God name... "JESUS"... and listen, 2 Chronicles 7:14b "If my people, which are called by my name". that name of "JESUS" have POWER in it. Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
    BINGO, you ask, and it is done in his NAME. see that's why I'm not in Jehovah, or Yahweh family. used those name and see what happen? nothing, but use that name "JESUS". :eek: YIKES! all things are possiable.

    Ziggy, what excite me now is not that God can do it, no, but ....... "HOW" or what "WAY" he is going to do it. that get me excite. I watch how he works, and he work wonderfully.

    see I'm like the apostle Paul and the three Hebrews boy, I know God can, it's the excitment as to how he's going to do it. man oh man if christian just "watch" the salvation of the Lord as Pearl said, "let God do it".

    and here's the best part, God allows us to come and stand next to him in victory.... he do all the work and let us take part in the victory..... so what do we learn? well he allow us to do something on our own, we give him all the credit... BINGO. that the Family I wnat to be in... his FAMILY.

    be blessed.

    PICJAG
    101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
     
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    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I have to check what thread we're in because I always forget..lol

    In the woman at the well thread, I ran across something that spoke to me. I don't remeber if I mentioned.. I ramble so.. lol

    Listen to what you wrote, can you see that here?

    Jhn 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
    Jhn 4:26 J esus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
    Jhn 4:27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
    Jhn 4:31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.
    Jhn 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
    Jhn 4:33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
    Jhn 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
    Jhn 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.
    Jhn 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.
    Jhn 4:37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.
    Jhn 4:38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.
    Jhn 4:39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.
    Jhn 4:40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
    Jhn 4:41 And many more believed because of his own word;

    I am He.... I am the Door which opens and no man can shut..
    Jesus opened the door, sowed the seed to the woman at the well, and sent his disciples to reap the saved.

    The parable of the sower and the angles sent to reap the harvest...

    That's how I hear it..

    HUGS
     
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    in offense to Christ who is the lamb of God, and continually commit blasphemy against him!

    Are they in communion or covenant with God?
     
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    it has never been by faith alone apart from the sacraments!
    Mk 16:16
    Cannot be in the new covenant or receive grace without the priesthood and the sacraments
    Show me anyone in the early church that taught faith alone!
     
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    no! There is only one true gospel, savior, salvation, covenant, church, etc.

    Jn 3:16 whole world, and whosoever
    Jn 1:29 takes away the sins of the whole world
    Jn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
    Eph 4:5 one faith
    Jude 1:3 thee faith
     
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    The Passover is a memorial to when God freed Israel from Egypt.
    That is exclusive to them, And also to the Egyptians which came out with them.
    Now if you become a part of Israel, you are also heirs of the promise.
    That You are no longer slaves to sin.

    Sacraments are man made.. there is no rememberance in them.

    Unless you serve them daily except on the Sabbath and call it manna..
    but if you like YOUR manna, you can keep YOUR manna.
    I prefer the Word of the Lord.

    Early church Faith alone:
    Act 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
    Act 3:3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
    Act 3:4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
    Act 3:5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
    Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
    Act 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
    Act 3:8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

    PRAISE GOD!

     
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    Israel had eternal life by believing on Christ (John 20:31) BUT, to enter the kingdom they had to be baptized and be righteous and keep the commandments
     
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    This refers to the scattered Jews, not Gentiles
     
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    John 3:16 is a wonderful verse but technically it is not for us...look at the following verse

    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    There is nothing of his death and resurrection as in Paul's gospel.
    Israel was to believe on his name, that he is Son of God, that he is Christ John 1:12 John 20:31

    We are to believe on Jesus
    We are to know he is the Son of God
    We are to call on his name....BUT more than that, believe he shed his blood and died for our sins and rose for our justification
     
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    Christ behold I make all things new

    the sacraments are instituted by Christ they His blood and grace and merits

    Jn 20:21-23 who sins you (the apostles) forgive are forgiven them

    Become part of Israel? Really? Israel killed Christ acts 4:10

    the church is the new covenant kingdom now. Kingdom taken from Israel Matt 21:43 given to the church Matt 16:18
     
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    it refers to all men the new covenant is catholic (universal) jn 3:16 the whole world, whomsoever including all there are no Jews, the kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the church that will bear fruit Matt 21:43 matt 16:18
     
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    faith and baptism mark 16:16

    Baptism!

    Old Testament pre-figures of baptism.

    Psalm 36:9
    For with thee is the fountain of life: in thy light shall we see light.

    Song of Solomon 4:15
    A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

    Isaiah 41:18
    I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land springs of water.

    Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
    26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put withi n you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
    27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    New Testament

    Matt 28:19
    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    ( Disciples by baptism not faith alone)

    Mk 1:4
    John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

    Mark 16:16
    he who believes and is baptized shall be saved!

    Jn 1: 11
    He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Baptism)

    John 1:26
    John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

    John 2:6
    And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)

    John3:5
    Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

    John 3:22
    After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

    John 4:4
    When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

    John 14:17
    Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    Act 2:38
    Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Baptism)

    Acts 8:36
    And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

    37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

    Philip preached Jesus and the result is justification by baptism!

    Acts 22:16
    And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

    Rom 3:24
    Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    Rom 6:4
    Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    Romans 6:3
    Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

    Acts 2:47
    Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    1 Corinthians 12:13
    For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Galatians 3:27
    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    Ephesians 1:13
    In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:5 
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Colossians 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

    Gal 4:19
    My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

    Titus 3:5
    Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (baptism)

    Heb 10:22
    Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

    1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    1 Peter 1:22
    Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36

    Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)

    1 Pet 3:20
    Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

    21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
    (Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
    (Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

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Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

    John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

    John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

    John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

    John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

    John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

    Born again means Baptism!
     
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    The Romans crucified him under their law.
    Both are equally guilty.
    For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
    And yes, if you are not Israel by faith through Abraham..
    you get to stay outside looking in..
     
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    mid you are in communion with the mediator of the covenant then you are in communion with God Unser the covenant and have the inheritance of Abraham.


    1 Corinthians 12:13
    For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

    Galatians 3:27
    For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

    Not jews!

    Galatians 3:28
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
     
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    Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

    John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

    John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

    John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

    John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism)

    John 4:4 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

    Born again means Baptism!
     
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    how do you suppose you can become Israel by faith?
     
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    Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

    Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

    Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
     
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    Exactly what do you have to believe?
     
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    That your doomed unless you believe God to save your Arse..
     
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