The True Sabbath and the Millennial Rest Foreshadowed

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justaname

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heretoeternity said:
Genesis 2 He created the seventh day of the week as a special day..read it and find out...He rested, blessed the day and sa
nctified it..no other day was given this treatment..
Sure He created everyday but the seventh day of the week was the only one made Holy by the Creator, as you can easily read in Genesis 2......

Remember always Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origins.
Can you tell me which day is consecutively the seventh day from when God created? Is it today? Will it be tomorrow? Which calendar is correct, the Jewish one or the Julian calendar? Perhaps the Myans have the proper calendar. Did Noah follow the right calendar? Did he keep a calendar on the ark? Maybe we are all confused and Tuesday happens to be the seventh day of the week from when God created. Would you switch which day you observe if this were the case? How come there is no mention of Adam and Eve keeping the Shabbat? Did they keep a calendar?
 

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Has the consecutive order of days changed?? As you should know, it has not...it is still 1 to 7...so the seventh is still the seventh...not that difficult to understand.

and Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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heretoeternity said:
Has the consecutive order of days changed?? As you should know, it has not...it is still 1 to 7...so the seventh is still the seventh...not that difficult to understand.

and Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
But how do you know Saturday is actually the seventh day?
 

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heretoeternity said:
Young never learn the calendar? Obviously not...it's never too late.
I understand you don't have an answer, but you don't have be condescending.

The truth is you don't know Saturday is the seventh day anymore than Tuesday is the seventh day. God did not preserve a calendar keeping track of every seventh day from the time of creation.
 

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How come there is no mention of Adam and Eve keeping the Shabbat? Did they keep a calendar?
Of course the never did, it was not asked of them to do so, in fact it was not untill Moses gave the Law to teh israelites as far as I have read, that they where commanded to do so.
 

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justaname said:
I understand you don't have an answer, but you don't have be condescending.

The truth is you don't know Saturday is the seventh day anymore than Tuesday is the seventh day. God did not preserve a calendar keeping track of every seventh day from the time of creation.
justaname said:
I understand you don't have an answer, but you don't have be condescending.

The truth is you don't know Saturday is the seventh day anymore than Tuesday is the seventh day. God did not preserve a calendar keeping track of every seventh day from the time of creation.
You must have a tough time keeping appointments if you do not know that days of the week....
 

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heretoeternity said:
As the pagan days mentioned are not sanctified or commanded by God to keep, then the commandment to keep them is from traditions of man, NOT God....As Jesus said "keep the Commandments of God, NOT the traditions of man" Mark 7. As your traditions of man are not from God, they are from satan..so why do you disobey the words of Jesus?
BTW Mungo..you cannot give me your Biblical reference for God's commandments to keep sunday, dec 25th and easter, that figures..


Remember always Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin..

Not even a good try.

I'm waiting for you to prove your claims:
1) that Sunday, Dec 25th & Easter are Satan's days.
2) that they are of pagan origin.

You made the claims - you prove them.

Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."
 

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heretoeternity said:
Has the consecutive order of days changed?? As you should know, it has not...it is still 1 to 7...so the seventh is still the seventh...not that difficult to understand.

and Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
Prove it.

Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."

All we ever get from you is your false claims - never backed up by evidence of even the weakest kind
 

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This thread is about discussing the Sabbath. If you want to discuss origins of holidays, start another thread. Back to the OP or the thread will be locked!
 

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Sabbath and Hebrews 4

God made a series of covenants with mankind – Noah, Abraham, Moses. Each covenant consisted of promises and blessings for those that kept it, curses for those that didn’t and a sign of the covenant. The sign was important and was a reminder of the covenant to the parties involved and a witness to others that someone was in a covenant.

God made a covenant with all the people of the earth and the rainbow as the sign. (see Gen 9:8-9,12-13,16-17).

God made a covenant with Abraham for him and all his descendants through Isaac with circumcision as the sign. (see Gen 17:1-2,11,13)

God made a covenant with Moses and with the people of Israel. It was an expansion of the Covenant with Abraham. The sign was the Sabbath. (see Ex 24:7-8, 31:12-13, 31:16-17)

If we are not in a covenant then the sign is irrelevant to us, and indeed we may say that adopting a sign of a covenant we are not in is giving false witness.

We are not in the Mosaic covenant. There are many arguments for this so I won’t go into them but here are some references (2 Cor 3:3, Rom 7:1-6, Gal 3:23-25, (Eph 2:14-15, 2 Cor 3:7-8, Heb 7:18-19, Heb 7:12, Heb 8:7-8, Heb 8:13, Heb 10:9)

For the Jews there are two covenants they were in, the covenant with Abraham and the covenant with Moses, with signs of circumcision and Sabbath respectively. The first was specifically dispensed with at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15. No mention was made in Acts 15 of keeping the Sabbath and there would be no point in abolishing one sign and not the other.

“But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up, and said, ‘It is necessary to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses.’" (Acts 15:5).
The decision was to do neither so clearly they did not ask anyone to continue to observe the Sabbath.

Paul says “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” (Col 2:16-17). Paul did not expect anyone to keep the Sabbath or be judged for not keeping it. It was a shadow of what was to come in Christ

“Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Master is able to make him stand. One man esteems one day as better than another, while another man esteems all days alike. Let every one be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it in honour of the Lord.” (Rom 14:4-6).
If Sabbath keeping was mandatory this is surely a place for Paul to mention it.

In the whole of Hebrews the word Sabbath appears just once, in Heb 4:9. And it does not say the Sabbath day but Sabbath rest. Indeed Hebrews 4:1-11 is about rest, about entering into God’s rest.

Now remember what Paul says in Col 2:17 – “the substance belongs to Christ”
“Come to me, all who labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me; for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.” (Mt 11:28-29).
The Sabbath rest is fulfilled in Christ. This is why Jesus declared himself the Lord of the Sabbath (Mt 12:8).

Heb 4:1-3
1. “Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest remains, let us fear lest any of you be judged to have failed to reach it.
2 For good news came to us just as to them; but the message which they heard did not benefit them, because it did not meet with faith in the hearers.
3. For we who have believed enter that rest,”

We enter that rest (God’s rest) by faith (in Christ) not by Saturday Sabbath keeping. Those who fail to enter his rest fail because of lack of faith/disobedience (Heb 3:19, 4:6)
 

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If you can, read Hebrews 4 entirely and you will see Paul is referring to the law of Moses, NOT God's law the Ten commandments...but those in denial about the truth in the Bible will not make the distinction... but the must know

Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of dec 25th, easter and sunday all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.
 

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heretoeternity said:
If you can, read Hebrews 4 entirely and you will see Paul is referring to the law of Moses, NOT God's law the Ten commandments...but those in denial about the truth in the Bible will not make the distinction... but the must know
Another attempted diversion. Heb 4 does not address any law. It's about entering God's rest.
 

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Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and the new covenant, Salvation is not through keeping Sabbaths, that was Old Testament law, keep the Sabbath, make your animal sacrifices if ya do wrong, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, Salvation was only for Israel, do not eat Pork for pork is unclean or any other unclean animal, that was all the Old Covenant. We are no longer under the old covenant but under the New covenant, when the curtain ripped when Jesus died, the old covenant was finished.
 

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Josho said:
Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and the new covenant, Salvation is not through keeping Sabbaths, that was Old Testament law, keep the Sabbath, make your animal sacrifices if ya do wrong, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, Salvation was only for Israel, do not eat Pork for pork is unclean or any other unclean animal, that was all the Old Covenant. We are no longer under the old covenant but under the New covenant, when the curtain ripped when Jesus died, the old covenant was finished.
I agree. And the Sabbath was only ever given to the Jews. There is no record of Gentiles ever being instructed to keep the Sabbath.

The Jews believe that when God saved Noah and his family from the flood,he gave Noah 7 commands, called the Noahic or Noahide laws, which are binding on all people. Those who keep these 7 laws will find a place in the life to come. These do not include Sabbath keeping. You would think that if Sabbath keeping was as important as heretoeternity thinks then God would have made it very clear to Noah.
 

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We are no longer under the old covenant but under the New covenant
We gentile where never under the old covennant so I dont know why peopel keep telling us we are " no longer" as we " never where".
 

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Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and the new covenant, Salvation is not through keeping Sabbaths, that was Old Testament law, keep the Sabbath, make your animal sacrifices if ya do wrong, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, Salvation was only for Israel, do not eat Pork for pork is unclean or any other unclean animal, that was all the Old Covenant. We are no longer under the old covenant but under the New covenant, when the curtain ripped when Jesus died, the old covenant was finished.



So you disagree with the Bible, and God's word about keeping the ten commandments and His Holy Sabbath day. Don't forget "sin is transgression of God's law" and "those that say the know Him and keep NOT His commandments are LIARS and the truth is not in them" 1st John...

So remember always Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origins.
 

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sin is transgression of God's law"
You stil lhavnt explaind than how Adam sinned agaisnt God He had no law, as did no man untill Moses??? So how than can Sin be breaking the law, and if you are under the law you are already dead as Jesus did not die for you to keep the law.

I nfact you seem to be an insistent liar.
through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments
for all know salvation is grace by faith. except seeming you..What you quote is a lie straight from the pits of Hell and is written no where.

Rom_1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
 

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heretoeternity said:
So you disagree with the Bible, and God's word about keeping the ten commandments and His Holy Sabbath day. Don't forget "sin is transgression of God's law" and "those that say the know Him and keep NOT His commandments are LIARS and the truth is not in them" 1st John...

So remember always Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origins.


Exodus 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."

All we ever get from you is your false claims - never backed up by evidence of even the weakest kind.

The Jews believe that when God saved Noah and his family from the flood,he gave Noah 7 commands, called the Noahic or Noahide laws, which are binding on all people. Those who keep these 7 laws will find a place in the life to come. These do not include Sabbath keeping. You would think that if Sabbath keeping was as important as you think then God would have made it very clear to Noah.
 

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Exodus 20, God wrote the ten commandments Himself for all humankind to keep...it is written in stone, as a sign of permanency...As Jesus said in Matthew 5, Heaven and earth will pass away but nothing will be changed in God's law until all is fulfilled, obviously referring to His return for His people..Matthew 24...God also said in Hebrews 8 and 10 "I will write my Commandments on their hearts and minds, and I will be their God, and they will be my people"....the question that arises..if you ignore God's commandments, and they are not written on your heart and mind, who are you really following?

Remember always, Salvation is through the Son of God, God's grace and commandments, NOT the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origins.