The Voter Fraud Is Coming

[Ferris Bueller]

Well, according to Scripture we're already some 29 months into the 42 month Tribulation with some 13 month to go. So if you haven't figured it out yet, you might think about giving up and working on something which might be closer to your Ministry!

Bobby Jo

I'm not saying you're wrong but I have not come to that conclusion yet. I hope the church is noticing the peace deals Trump is brokering between Israel and it's neighbors. And that the head Rabbi's in Israel are reported to have been meeting with who they think is their Messiah. All of this with Communism knocking on our front door, and our back door, and at every window tells me we are very close. Oh, and throw in the corruption and apostasy of the church and I think the end is very near. But most importantly, the church has not been prepared for the coming of Christ. Many Christians think their dead faith will save them when Christ returns.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Well, according to Scripture we're already some 29 months into the 42 month Tribulation with some 13 month to go. So if you haven't figured it out yet, you might think about giving up and working on something which might be closer to your Ministry!

Bobby Jo

Just curious, what was the event that started it 29 months ago?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The FBI is probably working on this case. I imagine someone could go to jail over it. You can tell it's a right-winger since they talk about Antifa. I see no reason to think Antifa has any such plans -- and if they do, let the police deal with them. Prosecute and jail Antifa people if they do it. There is no good reason for some private security company to think its job is to protect election polling places -- and that they have the right to break the law to do it. That's not law and order -- that's just craziness. I hope the FBI nails these people before the election.

As long as they stay far enough away according to the law they break no laws. That's true for Antifa, too. But if Antifa is going to show up legally with guns at polling places I want citizens to be there legally too with their guns. And if Antifa shows up illegally with guns at polling places I want 2nd Amendment citizens surrounding them with their guns in the legal perimeter around them. The communists want a revolution. They're probably going to get it. Not because the right is going to start it but because the right isn't going to let the left violently seize this country for Communism. The right is not going down without a fight because they know what communism looks like. And it's not good.

 

[Seven of Nine]

If Trump is tough on criminals, why did he tell people to show up at polls to watch? Each political party already has its observers at polling places. They tell the election official who their observer is. People don't just show up and say, "We're here to watch everything." That's against the law; and if armed groups show up saying they're there to watch the election, that's voter intimidation.

I want to know who was behind the plot in Minnesota. I would bet it wasn't Democrats.

Private security company recruiting armed military veterans to guard Minnesota polls from 'Antifas' in November election

Minnesota election officials say they’re working with law enforcement to ensure voters won’t face intimidation at polling locations next month, responding to reports that a private security company is recruiting U.S. special operations forces veterans to protect the polls from “Antifas” intent on “destroying the election sites.”

Atlas Aegis, a Tennessee-based company, posted a job listing this week calling for “security positions in Minnesota during the November Election and beyond to protect election polls, local businesses and residences from looting and destruction,” according to a Washington Post report.

Minnesota election rules prohibit private security or other related individuals or groups from entering polling places, said Secretary of State Steve Simon in a statement Friday afternoon. Only one challenger per major political party is allowed inside, and anyone else who isn’t voting or working at the poll site must stay 100 feet away.

“We are actively working with state and federal law enforcement to ensure that these laws are strictly enforced, as they always have been,” said Simon. “In addition, our 30,000 election judges at nearly 3,000 polling places are well-trained on those laws. Any outside effort to supplement election judges or local law enforcement is counterproductive, unwelcome, and possibly unlawful.”
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The FBI is probably working on this case. I imagine someone could go to jail over it. You can tell it's a right-winger since they talk about Antifa. I see no reason to think Antifa has any such plans -- and if they do, let the police deal with them. Prosecute and jail Antifa people if they do it. There is no good reason for some private security company to think its job is to protect election polling places -- and that they have the right to break the law to do it. That's not law and order -- that's just craziness. I hope the FBI nails these people before the election.

Ironically, Trump tweeted back in April about ballot harvesting saying “Get rid of ballot harvesting, it is rampant with fraud. The USA must have voter I.D., the only way to get an honest count!” I'm guessing the pastor of this particular conservative Baptist Church never got that memo.

 

[Bobby Jo]

... the peace deals Trump is brokering between Israel and it's neighbors. ...

Wisenant made the same kind of observations in his book "88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will Be In 1988" because neither one of you are basing your information against Scripture.

I'd exhort you to FIRST understand Scripture, and then look at History. And right now, T H E R E - A R E - N O - P E A C E - D E A L S - I N - S C R I P T U R E. The only reference to any such environment is the vague:

1 Thess. 5:3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape.​

... which could be as simple as the relative world calm after China spanks Russia.


Of course I expect that you're anticipating Dan. 9, -- which has - N O T H I N G - to do with these events except that the "destroyer" (the a/c) "shall come" after the seventieth week, which occurred in the Fall of 2000.

Bobby Jo

 

[dev553344]

If Trump is tough on criminals, why did he tell people to show up at polls to watch? Each political party already has its observers at polling places. They tell the election official who their observer is. People don't just show up and say, "We're here to watch everything." That's against the law; and if armed groups show up saying they're there to watch the election, that's voter intimidation.

I want to know who was behind the plot in Minnesota. I would bet it wasn't Democrats.

Private security company recruiting armed military veterans to guard Minnesota polls from 'Antifas' in November election

Minnesota election officials say they’re working with law enforcement to ensure voters won’t face intimidation at polling locations next month, responding to reports that a private security company is recruiting U.S. special operations forces veterans to protect the polls from “Antifas” intent on “destroying the election sites.”

Atlas Aegis, a Tennessee-based company, posted a job listing this week calling for “security positions in Minnesota during the November Election and beyond to protect election polls, local businesses and residences from looting and destruction,” according to a Washington Post report.

Minnesota election rules prohibit private security or other related individuals or groups from entering polling places, said Secretary of State Steve Simon in a statement Friday afternoon. Only one challenger per major political party is allowed inside, and anyone else who isn’t voting or working at the poll site must stay 100 feet away.

“We are actively working with state and federal law enforcement to ensure that these laws are strictly enforced, as they always have been,” said Simon. “In addition, our 30,000 election judges at nearly 3,000 polling places are well-trained on those laws. Any outside effort to supplement election judges or local law enforcement is counterproductive, unwelcome, and possibly unlawful.”
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The FBI is probably working on this case. I imagine someone could go to jail over it. You can tell it's a right-winger since they talk about Antifa. I see no reason to think Antifa has any such plans -- and if they do, let the police deal with them. Prosecute and jail Antifa people if they do it. There is no good reason for some private security company to think its job is to protect election polling places -- and that they have the right to break the law to do it. That's not law and order -- that's just craziness. I hope the FBI nails these people before the election.

Interesting, attacking the poll sites would be in-line with the current witnessed anarchy and overthrow of the government. And BLM and Antifa might have an interest in securing the democrats leadership that so enables them to commit the anarchy. So I do see reason to guard the poll sites by republicans. But law must be maintained so they'll have to stay a distance away and guard it. If citizens will protect other citizens then good for them. I don't know why anyone would be against that.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Just curious, what was the event that started it 29 months ago?

EVENTS, - PLURAL!

Are you aware of the Prophetic Psalms as proposed by J.R. Church, -- now deceased some half a dozen years, but formerly Co-Host of the TV Program, "Prophecy In The News"? In response to all his viewer letters he wrote a book titled "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms" where he CORRECTLY asserts that this 19th Book of the Bible is Prophetic to the Jews for the 1900's, Chapter for year, such that Book 19, Chapter 48 = 1948 International Recognition of the State of Israel; etc.

So given that premise, you might consider:

• The Shortest Chapter in all Scripture
• The Middle Chapter in all Scripture
• The Chapter exactly 70 years after the International Recognition of the State of Israel
• The YEAR which the U.S. Recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel
• The Longest Chapter in all Scripture

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

... if Antifa is going to show up legally with guns at polling places I want citizens to be there legally too with their guns. ...

Ummmmmmmmmmm, CAMERAS. They are more "deadly" than firearms!


Bobby Jo

 

[Giuliano]

Interesting, attacking the poll sites would be in-line with the current witnessed anarchy and overthrow of the government. And BLM and Antifa might have an interest in securing the democrats leadership that so enables them to commit the anarchy. So I do see reason to guard the poll sites by republicans. But law must be maintained so they'll have to stay a distance away and guard it. If citizens will protect other citizens then good for them. I don't know why anyone would be against that.

I am in favor of letting the police do their job. I don't think it's my job or your job or anyone other private person's job. And anyone who is favor of armed groups breaking the law saying they're there to protect polling places is as bad as Antifa in my book. That's anarchy too. Just like Antifa are anarchists. We have a government -- we should obey the laws they make.

So far, I've not seen either Antifa or BLM saying they intend to interfere with elections. We have seen right-wing groups saying they would. We have heard Trump urging his supporters to show up and do it when he should have been urging people to let the police do it.

It reminds me of how he tweeted, "Revolution" when armed men went into the capitol building of Michigan. Trump seemed to enjoy that because the governor was a Democrat. Here's a picture of how they behaved towards the police guarding the capitol building.

Would Michigan's Capitol be ready for a 200-man attack?

Protesters toting assault rifles crowded inside the Capitol on April 30, and photos of angry, maskless men screaming in the faces of Michigan State Police officers went international.
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And Trump liked it? He liked it because they were angry with a Democratic governor. He is not really a law and order guy.

Trump tweets support for Michigan protesters, some of whom were armed - CNNPolitics

President Donald Trump sided with protesters -- some of whom were armed -- in Michigan on Friday, for their effort to reopen parts of the state after Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer extended her emergency declaration keeping some businesses shuttered amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The message was the latest example of Trump's efforts to side with Americans, and in particular his own supporters, who are agitating for their states to lift restrictions on businesses and residents. Last month, he encouraged similar protests in states led by Democrats by calling for them to "LIBERATE."
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The constitution talks about the right of peaceful assemblies. People wielding guns and shouting at cops and trying to break into the legislature doesn't strike me as "peaceful." Those people were trying to scare the governor and legislature who were elected by the people. They're anti-democratic. They don't believe we should respect the results of elections. People are so wound up now in Michigan, they were plotting to kidnap the governor. They also had planned to attack the police so they couldn't protect the governor. They had plans to make a bomb. The FBI was on the job and nailed them before they could do it. That happened -- did you hear about it? I started a thread about it -- I thought it great news that FBI as a law enforcement agency showed us they were doing a great job -- but no one responded -- it's as if people thrive on negative news and ignore it when law enforcement actually does a good job.

We don't have to guess that maybe someone would do it the way you say Antifa and BLM might be planning something. There are some right-wing groups that are dangerous. Both the FBI and Homeland Security know it and have said so.

 

[dev553344]

I am in favor of letting the police do their job. I don't think it's my job or your job or anyone other private person's job. And anyone who is favor of armed groups breaking the law saying they're there to protect polling places is as bad as Antifa in my book. That's anarchy too. Just like Antifa are anarchists. We have a government -- we should obey the laws they make.

So far, I've not seen either Antifa or BLM saying they intend to interfere with elections. We have seen right-wing groups saying they would. We have heard Trump urging his supporters to show up and do it when he should have been urging people to let the police do it.

It reminds me of how he tweeted, "Revolution" when armed men went into the capitol building of Michigan. Trump seemed to enjoy that because the governor was a Democrat. Here's a picture of how they behaved towards the police guarding the capitol building.

Would Michigan's Capitol be ready for a 200-man attack?

Protesters toting assault rifles crowded inside the Capitol on April 30, and photos of angry, maskless men screaming in the faces of Michigan State Police officers went international.
​

And Trump liked it? He liked it because they were angry with a Democratic governor. He is not really a law and order guy.

Trump tweets support for Michigan protesters, some of whom were armed - CNNPolitics

President Donald Trump sided with protesters -- some of whom were armed -- in Michigan on Friday, for their effort to reopen parts of the state after Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer extended her emergency declaration keeping some businesses shuttered amid the coronavirus pandemic.

The message was the latest example of Trump's efforts to side with Americans, and in particular his own supporters, who are agitating for their states to lift restrictions on businesses and residents. Last month, he encouraged similar protests in states led by Democrats by calling for them to "LIBERATE."
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The constitution talks about the right of peaceful assemblies. People wielding guns and shouting at cops and trying to break into the legislature doesn't strike me as "peaceful." Those people were trying to scare the governor and legislature who were elected by the people. They're anti-democratic. They don't believe we should respect the results of elections. People are so wound up now in Michigan, they were plotting to kidnap the governor. They also had planned to attack the police so they couldn't protect the governor. They had plans to make a bomb. The FBI was on the job and nailed them before they could do it. That happened -- did you hear about it? I started a thread about it -- I thought it great news that FBI as a law enforcement agency showed us they were doing a great job -- but no one responded -- it's as if people thrive on negative news and ignore it when law enforcement actually does a good job.

We don't have to guess that maybe someone would do it the way you say Antifa and BLM might be planning something. There are some right-wing groups that are dangerous. Both the FBI and Homeland Security know it and have said so.

I understand your position. Let's remember that BLM and Antifa have said and done things that demonstrate criminal intent and they both have a criminal history. That's enough for a court of law to take action. But dems won't have it so the people have to take over and be the adults here.

Governors in dem states have acted like dictators, which shows that they are indeed inline with socialism much like Biden proposed in his debate. Meanwhile, being locked down and unable to conduct business, the dems and Trump are blocking stimulus relief. So I personally don't blame the people for wanting to take Whitmer out of office, not that I agree with what happened, cause kidnapping and killing is definitely the actions of anarchists.

And, yes I agree that the police should be allowed to do their jobs, but hey, that's what this is all about in dem led states, the police are not allowed to do their jobs, and the good citizens are suffering for it because of crappy dem leadership.

 

[Giuliano]

I understand your position. Let's remember that BLM and Antifa have said and done things that demonstrate criminal intent and they both have a criminal history. That's enough for a court of law to take action. But dems won't have it so the people have to take over and be the adults here.

What? Weren't some BLM people arrested in Chicago? I think some Antifa people have been too.

Governors in dem states have acted like dictators, which shows that they are indeed inline with socialism much like Biden proposed in his debate. Meanwhile, being locked down and unable to conduct business, the dems and Trump are blocking stimulus relief. So I personally don't blame the people for wanting to take Whitmer out of office, not that I agree with what happened, cause kidnapping and killing is definitely the actions of anarchists.

And, yes I agree that the police should be allowed to do their jobs, but hey, that's what this is all about in dem led states, the police are not allowed to do their jobs, and the good citizens are suffering for it because of crappy dem leadership.

Do you see the contradiction in your statements? First you say Democratic governors acted like dictators, then you say the police don't do anything. How do Democratic governors impose their will then? If someone is a dictator, he uses the police to oppress people and to suppress dissent.

You say "good citizens" suffer? They're the people who elect those governors. If people in Democratic states are that stupid, then I say they deserve the people they elect. I could criticize Democrats --easily and at some length -- but I still put most of the blame on the people who elect bad leaders. People who make bad decisions at the polls need to learn better.

Dictators come to power when people give up on law and order and think they have to take the law into their own hands -- forget the police, forget the courts, forget the laws. That's lawlessness -- where whoever has the most guns wins. If anyone doesn't like it, you shoot them dead.

Do not think that all those far-right groups love Trump. They don't like any kind of government except the kind they can exercise by using their guns. But Trump seems to think maybe they like him; and he's happy to see them giving Democrats a problem, so he's encouraging it.

What it could lead to is Antifa and BLM saying, "If armed militias from the right are going to show up at polling places, maybe we need to too." When black people see white armed militias, what that tells them is maybe they should get guns too; and some black groups are starting to do that -- not BLM, not Antifa. That is how a country falls apart: People get afraid that the police can't protect them, so they arm themselves and form gangs. There are black nationalists too who want a race war since they think maybe they can get their own country that way. They will appeal to more blacks if they see white gangs of white people with guns roaming around -- and if there is violence. It reminds them of how whites used to lynch blacks. The last thing we need is having black people thinking they need to form gangs to protect themselves.

I have a friend in Syria who I met on the internet. That country used to be peaceful -- with all kinds of people getting along with each other. It fell apart when people formed gangs.

 

[dev553344]

What? Weren't some BLM people arrested in Chicago? I think some Antifa people have been too.

Do you see the contradiction in your statements? First you say Democratic governors acted like dictators, then you say the police don't do anything. How do Democratic governors impose their will then? If someone is a dictator, he uses the police to oppress people and to suppress dissent.

There's no contradiction in my statements. You should be seeing on the news past that people who break the lockdown get arrested, unless you're a BLM/Antifa protestors, who when rioting, get off of the charges and freed from jail. At least that's the news I've been exposed to.

The city councils have voted to defund the police. Police are being limited and not being allowed to use tear gas or tasers. National guard have been shunned from occupation areas. Governors are shunning Trump and the use of national guard to quell rioting and occupations.

It really is a dictatorship of hypocrisy like I said.I mean come on arresting people for breaking lockdowns.

You contradict the news coming out of the media.

 

[amigo de christo]

Speaking of the media . THEY the ones who ought to be defunded . Not the police .

 

[amigo de christo]

DEFUND the MEDIA . Man i think i found another slogan .

 

[amigo de christo]

And defund BLM . and support BLM .
Wait that sounds like a contradiction .
Defund the marxism black lives matter and support the truth that babies lives matter .
ALL lives matter .

 

[Giuliano]

There's no contradiction in my statements. You should be seeing on the news past that people who break the lockdown get arrested, unless you're a BLM/Antifa protestors, who when rioting, get off of the charges and freed from jail. At least that's the news I've been exposed to.

So you think people who break lockdown rules should not be punished? You think we should have laws and rules but no enforcement?

The city councils have voted to defund the police.

How many? Where?

Police are being limited and not being allowed to use tear gas or tasers.

I see no need to use tear gas -- it's banned in war against an armed enemy so why should the government use it on its own citizens? Tasers are something else -- I don't think they endear the police to anyone.

National guard have been shunned from occupation areas. Governors are shunning Trump and the use of national guard to quell rioting and occupations.

Trump is not a dictator -- it's none of his business what the states do in the matter of police work unless national security is threatened or if federal law is being broken. Any President who tries to control every little thing is going to get push back from the people whose job it is to do the things they were elected to do.

What is it to me if all six of the states showing the biggest rate of increase in coronavirus this week voted for Trump in 2016? Five of the six he won big, over 15%. Obviously they're heavily Republican states; and obviously they're having trouble with coronavirus. But what is that to me? I didn't vote for those governors -- it's none of my business. Why try to control what you can't? And if Democrats want to elect mayors who let their cities burn, again there is nothing I can do. It's not my job. Those voters need to take responsibility. I can't be responsible for who they elect -- and neither can Trump.

It really is a dictatorship of hypocrisy like I said.I mean come on arresting people for breaking lockdowns.

I gather from that you oppose any form of lockdown. But you aren't in office, are you? You didn't win an election, so it's not your decision. I'm not sovereign, neither are you -- the people are -- and they elect people to do certain jobs. If you oppose that principle, you're opposed to democracy. If you are really in favor of democracy and the rule of law, you don't have to like the laws, but you should still not rebel against them.

I feel it's my obligation to show respect for the rules made by the people elected democratically. I don't like Trump; but he is the President. He got elected legitimately by the rules, so we need to respect that.

You contradict the news coming out of the media.

We must be seeing completely different news stories.

 

[dev553344]

So you think people who break lockdown rules should not be punished? You think we should have laws and rules but no enforcement?

How many? Where?I see no need to use tear gas -- it's banned in war against an armed enemy so why should the government use it on its own citizens? Tasers are something else -- I don't think they endear the police to anyone.

Trump is not a dictator -- it's none of his business what the states do in the matter of police work unless national security is threatened or if federal law is being broken. Any President who tries to control every little thing is going to get push back from the people whose job it is to do the things they were elected to do.

What is it to me if all six of the states showing the biggest rate of increase in coronavirus this week voted for Trump in 2016? Five of the six he won big, over 15%. Obviously they're heavily Republican states; and obviously they're having trouble with coronavirus. But what is that to me? I didn't vote for those governors -- it's none of my business. Why try to control what you can't? And if Democrats want to elect mayors who let their cities burn, again there is nothing I can do. It's not my job. Those voters need to take responsibility. I can't be responsible for who they elect -- and neither can Trump.


I gather from that you oppose any form of lockdown. But you aren't in office, are you? You didn't win an election, so it's not your decision. I'm not sovereign, neither are you -- the people are -- and they elect people to do certain jobs. If you oppose that principle, you're opposed to democracy. If you are really in favor of democracy and the rule of law, you don't have to like the laws, but you should still not rebel against them.

I feel it's my obligation to show respect for the rules made by the people elected democratically. I don't like Trump; but he is the President. He got elected legitimately by the rules, so we need to respect that.

We must be seeing completely different news stories.

Interesting as I agree with what you're saying here, not what you're saying about me though. Cheers. And back to voter fraud. It is a big issue. I don't know if @Hidden In Him had anything more to say. But I was interested in the cup symbology.

 

[Giuliano]

Interesting as I agree with what you're saying here, not what you're saying about me though. Cheers. And back to voter fraud. It is a big issue. I don't know if @Hidden In Him had anything more to say. But I was interested in the cup symbology.

I'm still waiting for the evidence of massive voter fraud. I trust the elections officials where I live. I think most people trust their own local officials; but when Trump talks about it, they imagine it's going on somewhere else. He is undermining the people trust in their own government. That's not good.

 

[dev553344]

I'm still waiting for the evidence of massive voter fraud. I trust the elections officials where I live. I think most people trust their own local officials; but when Trump talks about it, they imagine it's going on somewhere else. He is undermining the people trust in their own government. That's not good.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Seattle's leadership or Portland's, seen enough evidence on the news to the contrary of their competence.

But as far as voter fraud, have a look at this: Postal service warning states it may not be able to deliver ballots in time based on current election rules - CNNPolitics

I mean honestly, dems are all locking down the states they run, and the mail in ballots won't be counted? Did I read that right? Sounds like dem controlled voter fraud is already here my friend.

 

[Hidden In Him]

It is a big issue. I don't know if @Hidden In Him had anything more to say. But I was interested in the cup symbology.

Been working on other dreams today, Devin, but maybe I can focus on this again more between now and the election.

But as far as voter fraud, have a look at this: Postal service warning states it may not be able to deliver ballots in time based on current election rules - CNNPolitics

This is something they have been saying for awhile as well. It's just more conditioning, so people will be pre-conditioned to accept the results.

I'm still waiting for the evidence of massive voter fraud. I trust the elections officials where I live. I think most people trust their own local officials; but when Trump talks about it, they imagine it's going on somewhere else. He is undermining the people trust in their own government. That's not good.

Keep in mind, Giuliano, that this thread was not based on an opinion. It is based on a prophetic dream. I fully understand if you don't believe in such things, just understand that I no longer have a horse in the race. I was once far more Pro-Trump than I am today, but I came to realize that my political bias was preventing me from interpreting some dreams properly. There have been a few that have painted Trump in an extremely bad and self-serving light, so bad in fact that there is no way I could post them on this forum. There are a number of members here who would resist it even more than you are resisting what the Spirit is saying here. But as stated elsewhere, this still does not take away from the fact that Trump is better for the church than the malevolent forces that will come against Christians if he loses.

But as far as this thread is concerned, I am not manipulated by Trump or his supporters or media, nor are my views formed by Biden and the DNC and their media, nor by you, nor by others at this website. My views are formed by what the Spirit is saying to the churches, and others here would do well to do the same, or they will not be open to hear what He is actually saying, both pro and conn.

God bless