There is no "Paul's Gospel", until Jesus died on The Cross.

[Behold]

Reader,

When Jesus was teaching and preaching......>He was Talking to the JEWS the "house of Israel".. as He was sent only to the Jews....and so, what could He NOT tell them about, His entire earthly ministry?
Jesus could not tell them about the GOSPEL.......and that is because He had not died on The Cross during His eartly ministry to the Jews.......so, there was no GOSPEL He could teach them, as He hadn't died on The Cross yet.......which created the Gospel.

Understand?

Now notice........
And after Jesus was resurrected, He never went back to the Jews.....as a Minister....>>He only stayed with His remaining apostles and disciples until His ascension back to GLORY.
So, even AFTER Jesus died ON THE CROSS to create the Gospel.....>He never went back to the Jews, to tell them.

What did He do instead. ???
He asended to Heaven, and called PAUL the Apostle to bring "the Gospel" to the world., initially.
Now WE are to do it.
You and ME.
= US.

So, when you read where some "bible noob" who is saved 40 yrs.......and still knows nothing about SALVATION< and begins to chatter about "Jesus's Gospel" then you know you've found someone to avoid, as they are clueless, regarding "The Gospel".
They do not understand God's Salvation. They do not understand that "the Gospel" we are to preach and teach and share, came from Paul.

Make certain you notice them, as they are a theological mess, and they infect Forums, ... and you dont want them to turn you into the same.

 

[David Lamb]

When you deal with heretics, and ive dealt with perhaps thousands by now.........you run into the same types..

One of these "types"........is this one.

= "The Gospel that Jesus taught"........is what they proclaim.

See that?
And That is nonsense.......because Jesus never taught a Gospel until He taught it to PAUL, and that happened after Jesus was back in Heaven.
IN Fact, the idea, the concept, the reality of a "Gospel".. was not known, until Jesus died on The Cross, to create it.
Understand?
And Jesus called Paul to deliver the GOSPEL to us all, ..,,, and Paul teaches that any other Gospel, then His, is "cursed", as is the person who is teaching Universalism, or any other false Gospel, such as.. "mary is helping Jesus bring souls into heaven"

= Galatians 1:8

So, when you hear some bible infant talking or posting... who may or may not actually be a Christian....talking about "Jesus's Gospel"......then you are dealing with someone who does not yet understand THe Cross of Christ.

Yet repeatedly, we read of Jesus preaching the gospel. For example:

““The Spirit of the LORD is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed;” (Lu 4:18 NKJV)

“Now it happened on one of those days, as He taught the people in the temple and preached the gospel, [that] the chief priests and the scribes, together with the elders, confronted [Him]” (Lu 20:1 NKJV)

The idea that the gospel could not be preached until after Jesus had been crucified doesn't fit with His own preaching.

 

[David Lamb]

Reader,

When Jesus was teaching and preaching......>He was Talking to the JEWS the "house of Israel".. as He was sent only to the Jews....and so, what could He NOT tell them about, His entire earthly ministry?
Jesus could not tell them about the GOSPEL.......and that is because He had not died on The Cross during His eartly ministry to the Jews.......so, there was no GOSPEL He could teach them, as He hadn't died on The Cross yet.......which created the Gospel.

Understand?

Now notice........
And after Jesus was resurrected, He never went back to the Jews.....as a Minister....>>He only stayed with His remaining apostles and disciples until His ascension back to GLORY.
So, even AFTER Jesus died ON THE CROSS to create the Gospel.....>He never went back to the Jews, to tell them.

What did He do instead. ???
He asended to Heaven, and called PAUL the Apostle to bring "the Gospel" to the world., initially.
Now WE are to do it.
You and ME.
= US.

So, when you read where some "bible noob" who is saved 40 yrs.......and still knows nothing about SALVATION< and begins to chatter about "Jesus's Gospel" then you know you've found someone to avoid, as they are clueless, regarding "The Gospel".
They do not understand God's Salvation. They do not understand that "the Gospel" we are to preach and teach and share, came from Paul.

Make certain you notice them, as they are a theological mess, and they infect Forums, ... and you dont want them to turn you into the same.

Yet Jesus did speak gospel truths to Gentiles. The Canaanite women whose daughter was ill, for example, and the Roman centurion whose servant was ill.

 

[Behold]

Yet repeatedly, we read of Jesus preaching the gospel. For example:

There are lots of Gospel's.

But as my Thread's title told anyone who can read...

There is only one """PAUL's Gospel""", and Jesus never taught this while He was on the earth, during His ministry, before He died.
So....He could not taught Paul's Gospel.......... as Paul's Gospel is "Chrsit Crucified"....... and Jesus was not crucified during His ministry to the Jews.
And after He rose from the dead He didnt return to the Ministry..> because He had "FINISHED", our Salvation on the Cross.

Paul was called to deliver the full instructions, regarding the Doctrine of the Church and to bring to us, Paul's Gospel that is "the Gospel of the Grace of God".

 

[David Lamb]

There are lots of Gospel's.

But as my Thread's title told anyone who can read...

There is only one """PAUL's Gospel""", and Jesus never taught this while He was on the earth, during His ministry, before He died.
So....He could not taught Paul's Gospel.......... as Paul's Gospel is "Chrsit Crucified"....... and Jesus was not crucified during His ministry to the Jews.
And after He rose from the dead He didnt return to the Ministry..> because He had "FINISHED", our Salvation on the Cross.

Paul was called to deliver the full instructions, regarding the Doctrine of the Church and to bring to us, Paul's Gospel that is "the Gospel of the Grace of God".

Yes, I know you keep saying that because Paul preached Christ and Him crucified, that gospel cannot have been preached before the crucifixion. Jesus preached it to the disciples, telling them several times that He was to be crucified, and that He would rise again.

 

[Hiddenthings]

However, until Jesus actually was crucified, it had not become Literal.

Do you mean 2 Corinthians 1:20?

 

[PS95]

Im dealing with a carnal liar and a cult member.

Lucky you.

So, go to my 21,000 + posts, and my 400 + Threads, and find a sentence that says that "i can sin all i want"....
Find this if you can, Liar. @PS95 , as it does not exit.

Now, I am a cult member and a liar? Why thank you dear. I forgive you for that. Since you deny that a "saved" believer should ever confess or repent of sins-- because they" died to sins".. <-( Yes I can quote you)
Let me ask you this? In your mind, is Paul only speaking to unbelievers in those verses I gave you in post #39
Here is just one verse..

"But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." Eph 5:3-5

So, lets say "among them" were a few people doing any of those things above.. were they to REPENT or not? that is my question for you------

Dying to sins is just that<-- Putting away the sins of the flesh by the Spirit- killing sins of the flesh.
Jesus taught repentance of sins and so did Paul, Continually . We DIED to SIN. So we should NOT live our new lives sinning.
It is a PROCESS. We are being made NEW- that is BORN AGAIN. We are being made HOLY. Sanctified by the Spirit.
IT certainly incudes REPENTANCE of sins.
If you don't understand this, Behold, you do not understand Paul at all. The apostles taught the same thing as PAUL and Jesus Christ.
Jesus did not die for us to leave us living sinning as the pagans do- He gives us NEW life by His spirit to put our sins to death. You , I believe are and have been DOING this also since you were saved- killing your sins, right?- but perhaps you do not acknowledge that as "repentance"?

 

[Behold]

Jesus preached it to the disciples, telling them several times that He was to be crucified, and that He would rise again.

Jesus offered a few Gospels.
1 of them, the Apostles understood, and 2 of them the Apostles didnt.

This is why Jesus called Paul to explain it all., which is why Paul wrote all those Epistles.

The original apostles had no idea what Jesus was talking about.
Even after He was crucified, and appeared to them, they had no idea why He died on The Cross.
So, once Paul was called to deliver The Gospel, that is "we preach Christ Crucified".... then all became Clear, but it took time.
Years.

 

[Behold]

Do you mean 2 Corinthians 1:20?

The Cross of Christ birthed the NT Church.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Cross of Christ birthed the NT Church.

I understand what you're teaching, and only those who truly grasp that the Gospel was preached to Abraham, and that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world could argue otherwise. But ultimately, you're right: it’s his death and, even more so, his resurrection that brought life.

 

[Behold]

I understand what you're teaching, and only those who truly grasp that the Gospel was preached to Abraham, and that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world could argue otherwise. But ultimately, you're right: it’s his death and, even more so, his resurrection that brought life.

Consider that the bible, once completed is filled with what was not known, until it was.

For example, the Bible shows us that Abraham is the "Father of our Faith" because Abram believed God and it was counted to Him as Righteousness.
However, God never told Abram that His faith would be counted. He didnt share this "Gospel" with Abram.
4000 yrs later, Paul explained it as Church Doctrine.
What God did was observe that Abram believed God and that was what God required.
Noah did the same thing, yet noone preached "the gospel" to Noah.

So, when we read in the Bible that the "lamb was slain before the foundation of the world"........this was not known to Adam or Eve.
But once the Torah was given, we read that the Holy Spirit led people to prophecy so that what God was doing could be known.
And now we have a NT that completes the final picture.....completes the revelation puzzle, all the way to the end.

So sure, we now have a bible that tells us these things....but at the time, they were not known.......but over time, these things became revealed, and some became NT Doctrine......which is Paul's Theology.

Ive noticed on this Thread that 3 or 4 people read that Jesus stated to the Apostles some information about His Cross, that they didnt understand, even after He was back in Heaven.
So, they are unable to recognize that this is not "The Gospel being given", as Paul's Gives it as THE completed Gospel that we believe and share.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Consider that the bible, once completed is filled with what was not known, until it was.

For example, the Bible shows us that Abraham is the "Father of our Faith" because Abram believed God and it was counted to Him as Righteousness.
However, God never told Abram that His faith would be counted. He didnt share this "Gospel" with Abram.
4000 yrs later, Paul explained it as Church Doctrine.
What God did was observe that Abram believed God and that was what God required.
Noah did the same thing, yet noone preached "the gospel" to Noah.

So, when we read in the Bible that the "lamb was slain before the foundation of the world"........this was not known to Adam or Eve.
But once the Torah was given, then the Holy Spirit led people to prophecy so that what God was doing could be known.
And now we have a NT that completes the final picture.....completes the revelation puzzle.

So sure, we know have a bible that tells us these things....but at the time, they were not known.......but over time, these things became revealed, and some became NT Doctrine......which is Paul's Theology.

Ive noticed on this Thread that 3 or 4 people read that Jesus stated to the Apostles some information about His Cross, that they didnt understand, even after He was back in Heaven.
So, they are unable to recognize that this is not "The Gospel being given", as Paul's Gives it as THE Gospel that we believe and share.

So how could Abraham see Christ's day and be glad?

 

[amigo de christo]

So how could Abraham see Christ's day and be glad?

How did david see it .
Oh the gospel itself was even preached to abraham .
Lest someone wants to call EVEN PAUL a liar .
IN the torah it was written and even recored about his sufferings death and resssurection .
JESUS Himself even spoke of it to his own desicples .
OF COURSE the understanding of HIS death and ressurection was hidden from them , TILL AFTER HE ROSE from the dead .
Abraham named that moutain something very peculiar indeed .
And it was on that moutain He seen something .
JEHOVAH JIREH , In the MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD IT SHALL BE SEEN , PROVIDED .
And years later
HE , this lamb OF WHOM IT SPOKE about
would come and say , ABRAHAM SAW MY DAY , AND HIMS WAS VERY GLAD .
The gospel is all over torah . Torah and the prophets all pointed too and SPOKE of and told about
JESUS THE GLORIOUS CHRIST
named SAVOIR OF ISRAEL . it too is why some who misunderstood it
had tried to come and make him king .
BUT they did not understand HIS KINGDOM , HIS CITY , Was not of this world .
JESUS ENTERED INTO THE VERY HEAVENLY ITSELF .
Trench time . tis time to POINT TO CHRIST till the very last breath does utter out of those lungs .

 

[amigo de christo]

I understand what you're teaching, and only those who truly grasp that the Gospel was preached to Abraham, and that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world could argue otherwise. But ultimately, you're right: it’s his death and, even more so, his resurrection that brought life.

TO the trenches and man the walls . TO GOD ALL MIGHTY FATHER OF OUR LORD AND SAVOIR JESUS THE CHRIST
be all GLORY and HONOR . And may HE be glorified in us .
No matter the cost .
No matter the cost . And they loved not their lives even unto death .
A big ol stink has arisen and boy has it come to deceive all with its aroma of death .
But the sprayed children of the night just whiff it up as though its top selling high quality frankincense
but to the sheep this odor is as the spray of a half wild skunk , very POTENT and HIGHLY STINKY .
The children of the night call it loveshade
but the children of the day call it FORNICATION AND UPMOST REBELLION TO GOD and TO HIS CHRIST .

 

[Behold]

So how could Abraham see Christ's day and be glad?

Prophetically Speaking, God gave Abraham the vision, of the Son of God, the 2nd Adam.
When? Probably when Jesus went into "Abraham's bosom", which is the "Paradise" that Jesus spoke about, to the dying thief on the Cross.
He spoke of it also in Genesis as what the seed of the woman was going to do to the Serpent's Head.

"Crush it".

Also, many of the OT Prophets, had the revelation of the Holy ONE who was to come, who was not available to them.
David was a Prophet and Paul used David's revelation of what God would Provide, as ..... John Explained it in John 3:17.
David spoke of the Blessed person to whom God would ""NOT Imput SIN."".....Yet this Gospel was not yet available, until it was given in "the time of the Gentiles", with Paul being the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

See, to have this Gospel Available, you have to Have Jesus on The Cross producing it with His Shed Blood and Death, so that it can be PREACHED into all the world.
You wont find that in the OT, or in Jesus's Ministry to the Jews.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Prophetically Speaking, God gave Abraham the vision, of the Son of God, the 2nd Adam.
When? Probably when Jesus went into "Abraham's bosom", which is the "Paradise" that Jesus spoke about, to the dying thief on the Cross.
He spoke of it also in Genesis as what the seed of the woman was going to do to the Serpent's Head.

"Crush it".

Also, many of the OT Prophets, had the revelation of the Holy ONE who was to come, who was not available to them.
David was a Prophet and Paul used David's revelation of what God would Provide, as ..... John Explained it in John 3:17.
David spoke of the Blessed person to whom God would ""NOT Imput SIN."".....Yet this Gospel was not yet available, until it was given in "the time of the Gentiles", with Paul being the "Apostle to the Gentiles".

See, to have this Gospel Available, you have to Have Jesus on The Cross producing it with His Shed Blood and Death, so that it can be PREACHED into all the world.
You wont find that in the OT, or in Jesus's Ministry to the Jews.

This is terrible

 

[Behold]

This is terrible

David said that the blessed man is the one to whom "God will not Impute sin".
Paul quoted David's verse, in Romans 4:8
John explained it also, in John 3:17.
Do you have a NT?
Read it.

OT saints, didnt Go to heaven when they died....they went to "Abraham's Bosom".......this is know as "paradise".. and Jesus went there after He died.
Do you recall that Jesus, while on the Cross... said that "TODAY you will be with me in Paradise'?

= TODAY

Well Jesus was in the earth for 3 days.........so.....do the math.
And remember that "Paradise' is not Heaven.

 

[Hiddenthings]

David said that the blessed man is the one to whom "God will not Impute sin".
Paul quoted David's verse, in Romans 4:8
John explained it also, in John 3:17.
Do you have a NT?
Read it.

OT saints, didnt Go to heaven when they died....they went to "Abraham's Bosom".......this is know as "paradise".. and Jesus went there after He died.
Do you recall that Jesus, while on the Cross... said that "TODAY you will be with me in Paradise'?

= TODAY

Well Jesus was in the earth for 3 days.........so.....do the math.
And remember that "Paradise' is not Heaven.

As I said you are making things up as you go along.

How did Abraham see Christs day?

Think about it!

 

[Behold]

As I said you are making things up as you go along.

Jesus said from The Cross....>"Today you will be with me in Paradise".

That's not a myth.
It happened just like that.

And if you were a sincere student of the Bible, you would have already know that "Abraham's Bosum" is the "Paradise" that Jesus is speaking about.

 

[Fred J]

Reader,

1.) When you deal with heretics, and ive dealt with perhaps thousands by now.........you run into the same types..

One of these "types"........is this one.

= "The Gospel that Jesus taught"........is what they proclaim.

See that?
And That is nonsense.......because Jesus never taught a Gospel until He taught it to PAUL, and that happened after Jesus was back in Heaven.
IN Fact, the idea, the concept, the reality of a "Gospel".. was not known, until Jesus died on The Cross, to create it.
Understand?
And Jesus called Paul to deliver the GOSPEL to us all, ..,,, and Paul teaches that any other Gospel, then His, is "cursed", as is the person who is teaching Universalism, or any other false Gospel, such as.. "mary is helping Jesus bring souls into heaven"

= Galatians 1:8

So, when you hear some bible infant talking or posting... who may or may not actually be a Christian....talking about "Jesus's Gospel"......then you are dealing with someone who does not yet understand something, that i'll show you now.

Its this....

2.) When Jesus was teaching and preaching......>He was Talking to the JEWS the "house of Israel".. as He was sent only to the Jews....and so, what could He NOT tell them about, His entire earthly ministry?
Jesus could not tell them about the CROSS.......and that is because He had not died on The Cross during His eartly ministry to the Jews.......so, there was no GOSPEL, that is "Christ Crucified" that He could teach them, as He hadn't died on The Cross yet.......which created The Gospel that is "Paul's"/

Now notice........
And after Jesus was resurrected, He never went back to the Jews.....as a Minister....>>He only stayed with His remaining apostles and disciples until His ascension back to GLORY.
So, even AFTER Jesus died ON THE CROSS to create the Gospel.....>He never went back to the Jews, to tell them.

What did He do instead. ???
He asended to Heaven, and called PAUL the Apostle to bring "the Gospel" to the world., initially.
Now WE are to do it.
You and ME.
= US.

Romans 2:
1. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

What an 'irony', Paul became saved way later and the Gospel through him since took flight?

By the way, Jesus before ascending, what did He 'commissioned' the 11, whom He already disciple since the Sermon on the Mount?

On the day of Pentecost, after the fiery tongue sat upon the 12, the Gospel since took flight 'orally' from the outdoor terrace of a house.

What is there evidence for in the Holy Bible, where in the New Testament it starts by the Gospel according to Matthew?

Before the Gospel as proof to the future generation is written down and compiled, the 12 ahead before Paul, were 'orally' proclaiming the Gospel and making disciple of all nation.

The Gospel kicked off, when GOD prepared and sent John the Baptist to proclaim 'repentance' and conduct 'water baptism'.

That is to make a 'straight path' for the Lord to come next and who'll baptize them with Holy Ghost and Fire.

The second phase of the Gospel from the Lord took flight from the Sermon on the Mount to the day of Pentecost.

Then and where finally the baptism of the Holy Ghost and fire of the Lord on the 12 took place in a house.

As 'commissioned' by Jesus, they are now to proclaim the Gospel and make disciples of all nation.

And Paul's Gospel way later is just an 'addition' to what's already there and planted ahead of Him.

Evidently, the four Gospels in the New Testament, their testimonies more or less referring to the same in content, compared to Paul's

Now just imagine the heretic's version, that Jesus kept the Gospel from the 12 disciples and way later gave it to Paul instead.

Then how about the born again who died before his conversion without the Gospel, did they die in vain?

Now, who's the 'heretic'?