Nope, plenty of scriptural evidences to prove the Triune Godhead, and Godhead is in the scriptures.
Agree to disagree and do what we are supposed to do.
J.
This is why most believe that Jesus is a Man/Son and not God.
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Nope, plenty of scriptural evidences to prove the Triune Godhead, and Godhead is in the scriptures.
Agree to disagree and do what we are supposed to do.
J.
Jesus stated explicitly who his God and the God of his disciples is.
Certainly we can agree to disagree.
I haven’t been able to persuade you that Jesus isn’t a trinitarian and you haven’t been able to persuade me that the Trinity is his God.
”Many of the sacred writers spoke of a Messiah who was to be Yahweh’s agent in establishing the kingdom of Yahweh in the messianic age. However, they regarded the Messiah not as a divine person but as a creature, a charismatic leader, a Davidic king.
Thus the Old Testament writings about God neither express nor imply any idea of or belief in a plurality or trinity of persons within the one Godhead. Even to see in them suggestions or foreshadowings or ‘veiled signs’ of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers.”
(Edmund J. Fortman, The Triune God, p. 9)
Thus the Old Testament writings about God neither express nor imply any idea of or belief in a plurality or trinity of persons within the one Godhead. Even to see in them suggestions or foreshadowings or ‘veiled signs’ of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers.”
(Edmund J. Fortman, The Triune God, p. 9)
So can we go on together? Can two walk together lest they agree?
J.
You don't see... much less read very well do you... Sorry it was too much information for you to process.... I forgot, you only sit and soak in church! Only to be told what to believe! Sorry, I would actually think you have the time a read what's make you look like you do now... So can you read a paragraph... I made it simple for a sit and soakers like you
Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--
Now you tell me which part of this verse is hard to understand. What is Jesus according to Peter in Acts 2:22?
- A Godman
- A God
- A man
Try really hard to read....
Paul
No, but I am in agreement with what the Catholic writer I quoted said.
“No more than the Old Testament writers do the New Testament writers set forth a systematic doctrine about God. For them, too, there is only one God, the creator and lord of the universe; and He is the the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the Heavenly Father, but more especially the Father of Jesus.“
(Edmund J. Fortman, The Triune God, p. 31)
More importantly, I’m in agreement with Jesus. The God of Jesus God is the Father and none other. So says Jesus himself - which is why you haven’t been able to persuade me that the God of Jesus is the Trinity.
The God of Jesus can be no other than the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I'm not here to "persuade" you, that is not my job, as long as we agree on the fundamental core doctrines.
J.
I’m persuaded by Jesus and he is a Jew, not a trinitarian.
It’s his fundamental core doctrine which is bedrock.
When you tell me that the God of Jesus is the Trinity are you being sanctimonious? I don’t think so.
Me stating that Jesus is a Jew and that his God is the Father, not the Trinity, isn’t sanctimonious. It’s simply a statement of verifiable fact.
I can talk with people of all faiths. If you can, then yes.
You and I don’t agree. I’m not looking to walk with you; I’m looking to have a conversation with you.
You can have faith that the God of Jesus is the Trinity but Jesus said his God is the Father.
Like i said that's what the logical mind tells you because to understand that Jesus is God is spiritual. I didn't say he was his own father I say Jesus is God the Son along with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit who make up the three in one Godhead.
It's like us humans having three parts to our make up - made in God's image; not to look like him but to have an intellect (God the Father), a physical body (God the Son) and a soul/spirit (Holy Spirit) which is the essence of who we are. Three parts to God and three parts to each of us.
Without our brain/intellect we can do nothing just as Jesus (the body) could do nothing without God (the intellect/brain) And just as God created all things through the Holy Spirit we also have a creative spirit.
Don't continue to rely on your logic but let the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth. let him show you the supernatural. It is amazing.
My conversation was with someone who is telling me that the God of Jesus is the Trinity. He’s mistaken - not because I say he is; because Jesus says he is.
Jesus is God. The question is how he is God. The answer is found within his own Jewish monotheism, which was destroyed by trinitarianism.
I’m not replying on logic. I’m relying on history, Church history in particular.
“...it’s own conception of the Trinity was looked upon by the Fathers themselves as a combination of Jewish monotheism and pagan polytheism, except that to them this combination was a good combination; in fact, it was to them an ideal combination of what is best in Jewish monotheism and of what is best in pagan polytheism, and consequently they gloried in it and pointed to it as evidence of the truth of their belief. We have on this the testimony of Gregory of Nyssa - one of the great figures in the history of the philosophic formulation of the doctrine of the Trinity - and his words are repeated by John of Damascus - the last of the Church Fathers.
The Christian conception of God, argues Gregory of Nyssa, is neither the polytheism of the Greeks nor the monotheism of the Jews and consequently it must be true, for ’the truth passes in the mean between these two conceptions, destroying each heresy, and yet, accepting what is useful to it from each. The Jewish dogma is destroyed by the acceptance of the Word and by the belief in the Spirit, while the polytheistic error of the Greek school is made to vanish by the unity of the nature abrogating this imagination of plurality.’”
(Henry Austryn Wolfson, The Philosophy of the Church Fathers, Vol. I, pp. 362-363, Second Edition, Revised)
The Christian conception of God, argues Gregory of Nyssa, is neither the polytheism of the Greeks nor the monotheism of the Jews and consequently it must be true, for ’the truth passes in the mean between these two conceptions, destroying each heresy, and yet, accepting what is useful to it from each. The Jewish dogma is destroyed by the acceptance of the Word and by the belief in the Spirit, while the polytheistic error of the Greek school is made to vanish by the unity of the nature abrogating this imagination of plurality.’”
(Henry Austryn Wolfson, The Philosophy of the Church Fathers, Vol. I, pp. 362-363, Second Edition, Revised)
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yet what i said still applies i guess; Jesus never claimed to be the Son of God, but only let others say that
and for a good reason too i think If I testify of myself, my testimony is invalid
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