One thing that's still bothering me about Trump and his Christian religion: Trump states he's a lifelong Christian (Presbyterian), and up until 2015 or so he never asked God for forgiveness for his sins - all that time and he missed the most fundamental aspect of Jesus sacrifice for him (and they say he's "smart"; sounds dumb to me). Then he asks God for forgiveness once Carson is telling him to...it's almost like it's to appease his base; something stinks about this still.
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Nancy
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I hear you, yet...I do believe we need to vote according to our consciences...little good it does at this point, at least for the reasons we are instructed to pray for them. My prayers for them are first and foremost for their hearts to be softened and their minds will be changed so God could use their powerful status for good but...God also uses evil and corrupt leaders for His purposes. I just think of King Saul, lol. We got King David in Saul's place
And from there, of course , came the line of Judah which lead directly to Christ ❤I hear you, yet...I do believe we need to vote according to our consciences...little good it does at this point, at least for the reasons we are instructed to pray for them. My prayers for them are first and foremost for their hearts to be softened and their minds will be changed so God could use their powerful status for good but...God also uses evil and corrupt leaders for His purposes. I just think of King Saul, lol. We got King David in Saul's place
Agreed. He'll use satan and the beast too shortly, so Trump has some "good" company there in that respect
Maybe it to the audience that he is speaking to, that are largely only Atheist in the main, so in regard as for that he can't say such a thing ? because such as they will think that one is weak ?
Atheist love Christians somewhat in only as they see such as a rollover lap dog to them, not to mention they see you as not being worthy to themselves but only beneath them, so if he said such, then all the Anti-Christ would not give him the time of day. one has to make out that it's you that is totally in charge in their eyes, Jews and Atheist all are a mans works, that they idolise.
When any Anti-Christ see a Christian what he does is he try's only to exploit you. that goes for all Jews, Islam and Atheist as they only tolerate you because they believe that they can stand over you or get their way with you. I know this for a fact ! as when you stand up to them they want to kill you.
I never did not point out that I am a Christian at work, because all you got directly was the majority trying to do you wrong 24/7 and I had some Christians say to me why don't you try convert others or preach to others around you 24/7 and I say well I am a contractor so I can not afford to do such because they will only try to destroy me and I am not just some wage earner in such where they can not do much at all to such a one but only attact with words, but being a contractor it is truly amassing in the lengths of how far they will go, to play any trick in the book as they will go well out of their way to do things against you.
I would say that Trump is dealing with the same book from the media especially, just look at every low life mongrel dog trick that they play on Trump that is way beyond a joke.
We once had a Christian State Premier in Australia and the Media only hounded him 24/7 for 20 years they were relentless attacking at trying to attack him all the time and most of Australia thought that he was a monster, only because the media had tryed to make him out to be one, I would go to another State and have such people see my QLD number plates and comment on our Premier making a joke out of it and claiming that us Queenslanders were stupid, but they facts were that they were only media educated or to be true only just indoctrinated fools of the media, so they knew nothing at all of the subject reality or they were only just Socialist Communist or Atheist and that's why they hated him with a passion and loved to slander him, because such people are always shallow malicious morons.
So the self-proclaimed lifelong Christian can't say he's a Christian? You do know the atheists know this about him, right? And then admitting to never asking God for forgiveness until someone has to tell him to (Ben Carson), after a life of "Christianity", and he can't say that? Sounds like he's speaking out of both sides of his mouth to whoever he's speaking to...not exactly upstanding behavior for someone who follows Christ and isn't ashamed to speak about: Mark 8:38 " Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
Now we hear other conversations got locked up in the "top secret" file. I wonder if the transcripts of Trump talking with Putin and the crown prince of Saudi Arabia will be made public? At any rate, the Russians say they hope not.
Kremlin Says It Doesn't Want Trump-Putin Transcripts To Be Made Public - The Moscow Times
The Kremlin has said it hopes that discussions between President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump will remain secret following the scandal that erupted over Trump’s phone call with Ukraine’s leader.
Transcripts from Trump and Putin’s face-to-face meetings have not been made public, with reports saying Trump has gone to “extraordinary lengths” to conceal them. During a July phone call, Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to investigate Joe Biden, the U.S. president's likely opponent in the 2020 election — a request that has sparked a political firestorm in Washington this week.
Of course, we would like to hope that in our bilateral relations, where there are already a lot of very serious problems, we won’t reach such situations,” the RBC news website quoted Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying Friday.
I see too that Mayor Giuliani had second thoughts about attending a meeting sponsored by the Russians. I wonder how much money was going to get paid? Isn't Trump paying him enough? Ha, I wonder why he cancelled. Because it might look bad to be chatting it up with someone under US sanctions?
Giuliani cancels paid appearance at Kremlin-backed summit in Armenia
Rudy Giuliani, whose actions as President Donald Trump's personal lawyer have helped set in motion an impeachment inquiry, abruptly canceled his scheduled paid appearance at a Kremlin-backed conference in Armenia next week.
Giuliani, who confirmed to The Washington Post on Friday morning that he would attend the event, reversed himself that evening after The Post reported on his participation in the meeting, which Russian President Vladimir Putin and other top Russian officials are expected to attend.
The two-day conference is sponsored by Russia and the Moscow-based Eurasian Economic Union, a trade alliance launched by Putin in 2014 as a counterweight to the European Union.
According to an agenda for the event posted online, Giuliani was set to participate in a panel led by Sergey Glazyev, a longtime Putin adviser who has been under U.S. sanctions since Russia's invasion of Ukraine five years ago.
Kremlin Says It Doesn't Want Trump-Putin Transcripts To Be Made Public - The Moscow Times
The Kremlin has said it hopes that discussions between President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump will remain secret following the scandal that erupted over Trump’s phone call with Ukraine’s leader.
Transcripts from Trump and Putin’s face-to-face meetings have not been made public, with reports saying Trump has gone to “extraordinary lengths” to conceal them. During a July phone call, Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to investigate Joe Biden, the U.S. president's likely opponent in the 2020 election — a request that has sparked a political firestorm in Washington this week.
Of course, we would like to hope that in our bilateral relations, where there are already a lot of very serious problems, we won’t reach such situations,” the RBC news website quoted Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying Friday.
I see too that Mayor Giuliani had second thoughts about attending a meeting sponsored by the Russians. I wonder how much money was going to get paid? Isn't Trump paying him enough? Ha, I wonder why he cancelled. Because it might look bad to be chatting it up with someone under US sanctions?
Giuliani cancels paid appearance at Kremlin-backed summit in Armenia
Rudy Giuliani, whose actions as President Donald Trump's personal lawyer have helped set in motion an impeachment inquiry, abruptly canceled his scheduled paid appearance at a Kremlin-backed conference in Armenia next week.
Giuliani, who confirmed to The Washington Post on Friday morning that he would attend the event, reversed himself that evening after The Post reported on his participation in the meeting, which Russian President Vladimir Putin and other top Russian officials are expected to attend.
The two-day conference is sponsored by Russia and the Moscow-based Eurasian Economic Union, a trade alliance launched by Putin in 2014 as a counterweight to the European Union.
According to an agenda for the event posted online, Giuliani was set to participate in a panel led by Sergey Glazyev, a longtime Putin adviser who has been under U.S. sanctions since Russia's invasion of Ukraine five years ago.
Na, he was speaking to the Iowa Family Leadership Summit, a Christian org.
And he did, err, actually, Ben Carson said he did ask God for forgiveness for something a couple of years after the 2015 interview, but it still stinks...lifelong Presbyterian and never asked God for forgiveness through what, 68ish years of life as a Presbyterian? Still stinks...
Nancy
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I recently saw a short video of Trump being interviewed and, the commentator kept asking him over and over if he ever asked God for forgiveness and Trump just ran around in circles to NOT answer that very simple question, which, if a true Christian, would have been answered as a resounding YES, without pause, much less out right deflection.
Well it would upset Trumps Jewish mob that control him, as such the Jewish mob that control the other side of politics as well, they are all like puppets on strings to the Jews and all Presidents have been or they were shot if they were going to expose the plot.
If you want to get things done you have to get the Jews blessing because they own and control the USA not to mention the world when it comes to banking as they could shut down the USA in a heart beat just like they did to Germany and just call in their money and then the USA will be on the path to inflation that is way out of control, try 200% inflation and see how you like that ? every Nation that is highly indebt will be destroyed.
The Socialist always demand to be swamped high in debt because the Jews that control the Socialism game like it that way and cunningly set it up like this because it gives them great power over the people. now the fact is that such will fear that if a Nation that has capital and needs no help, well how can the Talmud Jews control such a Nation ? so that's why such Jews have crept in, just like they did to Israel and Judah and that's why they fell. because they lead the people astray with all their games.
Such people claim to be Jews but Jesus clearly pointed this out who they truly are in fact. but one has to be born again of the Holy Spirit to be able to see the fact as all others are blind to such things as they are only carnal and easy fooled because truly they are only slaves to their carnal works.
There is no reason in the world that the USA should be in debt and the people have been totally duped into running the Nation into the ground, Australia is the same, no one could be so stupid to fall for such nonsense. it's like a person who has everything and he can not make a go of it and one has to ask such a one, why the hell are you in such toxic debt
are you insane or a degenerate squandering what you have like a total fool ? what you can't manage your own business, what are you a 5yo !If one started out in business from school and give it 50 years such a one has made no headway one must ask why, one should be on easy street one would think, not to mention that this business is USA or Australia with vast opportunity, not just some baron wasteland. you have been duped ! you are falling for the great Satanic con job that leads the whole world astray and are enslaved by it and you can't see it.
The thing is that most people in the world nowadays will think that such a person is raving mad if you said that you ever asked God for forgiveness, let alone just another push over. that's the problem that one has to deal with when you are in a position of power and they will always go you for all they have because they think that they can get the upper hand, they do not respect Christians at all in fact.
I have a mate and he claims that he is going to Heaven, he tells everyone this straight out, he demands it ! of people to believe him, now I say that's all good but the fact is that just because he says something does not make it so, now he may tell everyone that story but I ask. but it's not up to you in reality to say who will or not go to Heaven as that is up to Jesus Christ himself only to make that judgment in fact and if one claims themselves as such I would think that they must be going to stand before the Lord with a huge chip on their shoulder. it's ok for one to tell me that in one way but boy their ego must be vain. it's actually a hopped for and a inner Spiritual strength thing that one should be confessing about of your hope that one could express in a way but not ego boasting type of way that many do, that I have seen. I ask who do you think that you are talking too ? it pains me to hear such coming from a dolt. I have much more regard for most people that will say of another that they believe that so and so will go to Heaven, than some clown demanding such believe himself on the subject.
So it comes down to, who is it that one is talking to. we see this in the Bible as well.
So Jesus spoke in a way that only the one who has understanding can comprehend, the thing is that their is no point in talking to the swine's because they will just attack you and all Atheist Anti-Christ are all the same, they are noting but filthy swine's who are just worthless to God.
I would say that the interviewer with Trump was just another smart arse who played game with the subject for sure, but given the right person with Grace asking of Trump I am sure one could get the true response. you have to be very carful of what you say around such jackals as the media as they only want to devour you and they have learnt there trade well in university's that teach all his cunning, it's a warfare game. the truth be known and the public are not aware of the art that such play and if they can't win then their mob go and put their heads together and come up with something cut to make it look like one said such, but if you look at the clock in the background you will see the hands moving back and forwards wildly.
Well, if you think about it, that was none of the commentator's business. And only God knows Donald Trump's heart.
The problem with the media is that they deliberately IGNORE all Trump's accomplishments, which shows that they have no interest in the truth or in objective journalism. They are totally committed to destroying Trump by fair means or foul. So I say "Good for you Mr. Trump -- don't let the media hounds bully you".
Now we have all this nonsensical talk about impeachment, and only the conservative media expose it as ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. When the Left-Liberals should have been calling for Obama's impeachment, there was nary a word.
Why do you call it nonsense? There actually is an impeachment inquiry. Time will tell if the House votes to impeach.
September 30, 2019
Impeachment? Bring it on. Trump can put the Dems on trial in the Senate
By Jared Peterson
The entrenched elites of both parties and a large portion of the corrupt upper federal bureaucracy understand the mortal threat President Trump poses to them. This threat has been the driving force behind the continuous efforts to destroy the Trump presidency since (and before) the president's inauguration.
These forces have no doubt already figured out they can't beat the president at the ballot box. Impeachment is their last desperate chance to rid themselves of the man who has so effectively exposed their self-enrichment and multiple sell-outs of the American people. And now they think they see their chance — based on a single telephone call in which America's president, reasonably and with more than good cause, suspecting criminal wrongdoing, may have sought the assistance of a foreign head of state in getting to the bottom of his amply justified suspicions.
They are counting on the now widely and deeply loathed former Republican, Mitt Romney, to round up enough Republican turncoat Trump-haters to reach two thirds of the Senate — all without regard to the total absence of anything remotely approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
No occupant of the White House before the current one has faced even a small fraction of the unrelenting groundless accusations, calumnies, and outright lies endured by President Trump since well before the first day of his presidency. Through it all, he has repelled the attacks, while he produced concrete results for the American economy and American conservatism unseen since President Reagan.
The constant, vile, often violent denunciations of America's president during the last nearly three years, all by the 2016 losers and their major media mouthpieces, are without any precedent in the nation's history. The impeachment proceedings President Trump now confronts — for a single telephone call to a head of state raising issues entirely appropriate to the functions of his office — are merely another round in the Democrat/media elites' continuous efforts to reverse the outcome of the 2016 election.
In short, having utterly failed with their Russia collusion fantasy, the president's enemies have moved on to an entirely ordinary and appropriate telephone call.
The president's defense in the Senate, accordingly, must engage, spotlight, scrutinize and expose the entire course of odious conduct by the president's corrupt attackers, from their first spinning of the Russia collusion hoax, through the latest chapter in their attempted coup.
Everything will be relevant in the Senate trial, and everyone, no exceptions, should be subpoenaed and interrogated under oath. That means Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Brennan, James Comey, Peter Strzok, and the entire gang behind the coup...
Here is the most important benefit of this broad and aggressive approach to the president's defense: in confronting all those who have ceaselessly sought to reverse the 2016 election, President Trump's legal team this time will have a critical tool thus far denied them: the power to subpoena any and all persons, including all those who were elbow-deep in the Russia collusion hoax. Unlike during the feeble and tedious investigation conducted by the Washington elite's chosen operative, Robert Mueller, every single such person will be sworn and aggressively, publicly interrogated under penalty of perjury, by formidable trial counsel...
Now that America has seen the Russia collusion lie exposed as a fraud, after more than two years of continuous harassment of the constitutionally elected president, both Senate leadership and the American public will be sympathetic to the president's claimed entitlement to lay before the Senate and full electorate all the details of the groundless campaign to drive him from office, a campaign of which "the telephone call" is merely the latest episode.
After Robert Mueller's two-and-a-half-year Russia collusion goose egg, it would be seen as an outrage to deny the president the right to tell the full story that lies behind this latest chapter in the Democrats' three-year attempted putsch.
President Trump needs to promptly assemble a highly professional team of tough, seasoned lawyers, who will all have to be well compensated for the huge professional and personal risk they will be taking — we have seen time and again what the deep state tries to do to the president's prominent supporters. A defense fund for the president would be oversubscribed in two weeks.
Giuliani, as loyal as he has been, may or may not be the right person to assemble this team.
The team needs to be put together quickly, and to promptly announce to the world that the Senate trial, if there is one, will focus on, and expose, the entirety of the Democrat/corrupt federal bureaucracy's anti-constitutional efforts to bring this President down. Many who breathed deep sighs of relief when Robert Mueller threw in the towel are going to be sweating again.
When McConnell announces the scope of the allowable defense and how long the process will go on as Democrat dirt emerges, Ms. Pelosi may become concerned about how many of her party could be destroyed by the process. She may go so far as to as to think better of going forward. If so, fine -- the Dems, once again, as in the Russia hoax, will look like fools. If, on the other hand (and much more likely), she proceeds (into the moving blades of this propeller) so much the better for the President....
The President's response should be withering, broad, and uncompromising. It should be one that turns his attackers into the hunted, a fate their lies and crimes have more than earned them.
In the end, President Trump will be seen for three years to have performed two almost impossible full-time jobs simultaneously and supremely well: President of the United States, and defender of the Constitution's electoral processes against those bent on destroying them.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._can_put_the_dems_on_trial_in_the_senate.html
Nancy
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He is not a dictator, even if he might want to be. He cannot charge people or put them on trial. We aren't a banana republic with a tin horn dictator, not yet anyway. Back to school for you. You weren't listening in civics class.
Trump could also be charged with treason if he revealed the identity of an undercover intelligence agent who had access to Putin.
September 10, 2019 Russia investigated disappearance of suspected US spy as possible murder
The Russian news site Daily Storm reported in September 2017 that Smolenkov, who had once worked in the Russian embassy in Washington, had not been seen since he went on holiday with his wife and three children to Montenegro in June of that year. The Russian authorities first investigated the disappearance as a possible murder but then became convinced that Smolenkov was still alive and living abroad.
On Monday night, the New York Times and Washington Post confirmed a CNN report that a US agent inside the Kremlin had been spirited out to the US after concerns about his safety, but they did not name the spy.
The US reports said that the agent had worked for US intelligence for more than a decade and reached a senior level with access to Putin himself. According to CNN, he had even provided pictures of documents on Putin’s desk.
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CNN reported that the difficult decision to remove the US’s Moscow mole was made after President Trump divulged top secret information in May 2017 to Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s veteran foreign minister.
The White House has rubbished such claims. On Tuesday, Mike Pompeo – the US secretary of state and former CIA head – said: “Suffice it to say that the reporting there is factually wrong,” without specifying exactly what he was disputing.
The source’s removal would have dealt a significant blow to the US’s ability to understand top-level Kremlin decision making. The Russian government – largely made up of former KGB officers, now in their mid-60s – is paranoid about western spies.
Maybe we'll see who's telling the truth.
We've already seen this discussed with various Congressional hearings. How long should that go on?
It's an attempt to draw attention from Trump. It won't work.
I hear you, yet...I do believe we need to vote according to our consciences...little good it does at this point, at least for the reasons we are instructed to pray for them. My prayers for them are first and foremost for their hearts to be softened and their minds will be changed so God could use their powerful status for good but...God also uses evil and corrupt leaders for His purposes. I just think of King Saul, lol. We got King David in Saul's place
Agreed. Trump must have so many praying for him, lol - guess he needs it...
Yeah, ultimately the beast of Revelation is coming, and then Jesus again! Woohoo to the Lion of Judah!
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